Xbox 720 to not have blu-ray.

[QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.Animal-Mother

pretty dumb not to include blu-ray. in 3-4 years it will become the main format as more people get HDTVs. when do you think MS is going to roll out the new Xbox? 2011, 2012? yeah pretty dumb move. On another note, everything that is new is ALWAYS expensive. When DVD came out it was expensive. you can get a dvd player for $50 now. So as more people get PS3 and other blu-ray players the price will go down. So by the time to next Xbox rolls out putting a blu-ray player in it really wont be that expensive.

ExplosiveChorro

imagine downloading a 50 gb game from online. I dont think the internet will be fast enough by next gen for this but the next after. We will need bigger harddrives too. Next gen will still have a optical formatPrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.imprezawrx500

imagine downloading a 50 gb game from online. I dont think the internet will be fast enough by next gen for this but the next after. We will need bigger harddrives too. Next gen will still have a optical formatPrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.imprezawrx500

we will have faster readers next gen so blu ray wont be as slow. Fast and large blu ray is the way for mePrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Waaaaaaaaaaay to early for DD make if anything they HAVE to make it optionalahmedkandil

The only reason they don't want Blu-Ray in their next system is because Sony would profit off of each game they sold. All this, "Blu-Ray sucks lol" is just PR bullcrap to make it seem like they didn't want it anyways. Looks like Microsoft is still vying to hold back the gaming industry.ANONYM0U5

Or Sony could freeze Microsoft out and not license out the technology.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.imprezawrx500

well that's because console makers are dumb and make a ripping on hard drives. when the 360 came out there was no other way to buy a new hard drive so small, now 80gb is the smallest non console hard drive you can get. if they used standard 3.5" hard drives they would halve their storage costs and allow for over 300gb for less than they current pay as well as 4x the performanceimprezawrx500

With the influx of harddrive installations and digital distribution, physical media is going to be a thing of the past.foxhound_fox

in 10 years

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Screw Blu-ray. You know what they should do? Continue with the "fully installable games" approach, but toss in a 1TB or 2TB HDD in every console. Standard spinning HDDs at that size will be very inexpensive by 2010. they can do it. space issue solved. developers can continue to use dirt-cheap DVDs...and gamers will just install the games to their computer, needing only the first disc for verification of ownership to run the game.

installed games will me much faster load times than any BD-based game can offer, along with all the benefits of nearly unlimited space for installs.

win.

DivinitySkate

You didn't think that through did you? Blu-ray would be better. The maxium read speed for DVD that exists so far is 22x. 8x blu-ray would smoke 22x DVD's maxium read speed and even though DVD would cost nothing by 2012, 8x blu-ray will be very cheap, too. Blu-ray would not only give you better load or install times but more space. Plus the cost of 1TB or 2TB of HDD would be near nothing by 2012 so the cost of it doesn't matter.

Far from the truth, for several reasons:

1. Not everybody in this world has a godlike internet connection speed, and probably won't have one for even the next 5-10 years

2. Games now take up 9 Gigs (or more) worth of space. In my country, it takes maybe a month to download a file that big, and even if I get the maximum theoretical speed, it would still take 3 days. Frankly, i don't see any major improvements in this field being done in my country for the next few years.

3. The concept of digital downloads is that you own the download (and ownership) rights. What happens if i decide to sell my console to another guy, but refuse to give up my account details? The new owner can only play off all the games in the HDD. If it crashes, he's done for. The only consolation everyone has about DD is that we have the download rights, meaning that whatever happens to the hardware, we can still download it again. And i would bet my money on the fact that DD will be account specific. The rights is registered to an account. So how can i sell my console without giving up my account? The games can go, but the account has personal information. The new owner might not even want my account, because he wants his own.

4. In DD, our games are all hosted my a server. Is is realistic to assume that the service will be operational forever? If 10 years down the line, the company who hosted the games suddenly closes it's doors, everybody would have lost their games. It's like a bank. If the bank is robbed, everyone's money is gone. The government can bail the bank out of their misery, but can the same be said about the game hoster? The can't give the money back, because most of us may not want our money back, we want our goddamn game! Banks store money, which is the legal tender itself, but for DD, they are storing our PRODUCT virtually. The day will come when the can neither give us the product we rightfully own, nor give us back our money.

5. And of course, we can't share games or trade around like we do now.

6. Many owners of game consoles are little kids who got it for his birthday from his dad. These are not tech savvy kind of people. The notion of account specific rights and such will just drive them away. And parents can no longer buy games for gifts as presents, instead, they have to download the game for their kid during christmas. Many parents will not want to create a virtual account nor even reveal their credit card number. It means these people will have no access to games.

In conclusion, DD WILL NOT own physical. It has too many drawbacks, and caters only for the tech savvy community. Microsoft can try, but i think they will fail.

Does RROD comes with it Free also like this Gen? Just curious.MaximumD

No BD in the next MS or Nintendo product for that matter is instant fail for me.

I'd give Nintendo a little bit more slack because I don't think they care for us anymore. But MS have to have BD, seriously.

BD is certainly not neccessary for games. Why do they "have to" ? By the time the next consoles launch, standalone BD players will be dirt cheap.Captain__Tripps

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]BD is certainly not neccessary for games. Why do they "have to" ? By the time the next consoles launch, standalone BD players will be dirt cheap.Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]BD is certainly not neccessary for games. Why do they "have to" ? By the time the next consoles launch, standalone BD players will be dirt cheap.Captain__Tripps

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] That's more reason to include it. The only thing wrong with the Ps3 BD drive is the speed. But the next consoles will have a much better rate and it will all be cheap. Why include DVD in new systems, it's not needed. BD is the logical step up, it's silly not to include it. Also, i'd like games next generation to take advantage of native 1080p and offer some lossless or uncompressed audio, something DVD can't do.Chutebox

What does offer over another format that offers as much space?Captain__Tripps

Opps, what does BD offer over another format with as much disk space?Captain__Tripps

Blu-ray will be cheaper than, my guess is they just don't want to pay Sony to use their format.X360PS3AMD05

No one has to pay anyone to use a 'standardized' format. Who do i pay to use a dvd? Sony can only patent the development methodology of Blu-ray, but since Blu-ray itself is a disc format, Sony cannot force anyone to pay them for using it. The patent companies will not let you patent the usage of a format. They will only let you patent a process or method to achieve a design.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10118975-17.html

"The single benefit Blu-ray provides to developers is its capacity. But once another generation rolls around, doesn't it stand to reason that producing DVDs will be even less expensive and that it may yield a more cost-effective approach than using Blu-ray anyway?
Beyond cost, what's so bad with DVD? The games look perfectly fine on the format, most developers haven't had too much trouble developing for DVDs, and even fewer have spent time complaining that it's not as capable as Blu-ray. In fact, I've heard more gripes from developers about Blu-ray than DVD lately.

But we also can't forget that gaming is moving in an entirely different. Over the next few generations, the need for media like DVD or Blu-ray will diminish and games will be purchased over the Web and downloaded to a hard drive on the console. It's already happening now in small amounts. But rest assured that as the industry realizes the benefit of sending games directly to you and Blu-ray loses its fight against streaming, you can bet that all this talk about formats will be just another stepping stone in the storied history of gaming."

Discuss

Animal-Mother

720 with no blu-ray=fail. This is typical for MS make the console as cheap as posible and inferior to its biggest competion Sony. SOny the heavy weight champ of gameing since PS1.djsifer01

Crysis level game @1080p less than 25 FPS = Fail. Better focus on GPU and VRAM or else you'll have another PS3.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Blu-ray will be cheaper than, my guess is they just don't want to pay Sony to use their format.jhcho2

No one has to pay anyone to use a 'standardized' format. Who do i pay to use a dvd? Sony can only patent the development methodology of Blu-ray, but since Blu-ray itself is a disc format, Sony cannot force anyone to pay them for using it. The patent companies will not let you patent the usage of a format. They will only let you patent a process or method to achieve a design.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]Opps, what does BD offer over another format with as much disk space?Chutebox

Yeah but how many PS3 titles actually use Blu-Ray to it's full potential? I think it's like 4%.

Blu-Ray isn't needed it's a luxury, a luxury hardly used.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]Opps, what does BD offer over another format with as much disk space?VirtuaCast

Yeah but how many PS3 titles actually use Blu-Ray to it's full potential? I think it's like 4%.

Blu-Ray isn't needed it's a luxury, a luxury hardly used.

Blu-Ray is more a luxury than a necessity. HoldThePhone

OK, but as time goes by, people use more and more HDD space, people download more data and Game developers will start making bigger and bigger games.

Assassins creed for example. Ubisoft could not fit it properly onto a DVD9. They had to work with Microsoft to super compress the game to JUST fit into a DVD9 disk.

I want a media where i can just shove all of my files onto a single disk. It makes me kind pissed when i have to always put it into multiple DVD's.

And blu ray disks and drives are getting cheaper and cheaper. What the hells the point of having a DVD for when it gets to that point?

O and also about load times lol. I dont think you's realize that the blu ray laser has a much higher data read/write capacity than a DVD laser.

http://au.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23916169&user=skektek

Read that. Also it is possible to double (or 1.5x atleast) the rotational speed of the motor with a firmware update for the ps3.

So yea. Blu-ray is a damn smart move. The draw back was just its initial cost.

ng

i don't know if anyone thought of this yet HD-DVD may be a dead format, but why not use it in the next xbox, it would be dirt cheap, and it would only be used for games so it wouldn't matter that it's obsolete as a film format,just cos it isn't used for anything else doesn't mean you can't use it in a games console and how many HD-DVD players are sitting around gathering dust at MS depots.delta3074

It would be better then giving royalties to Sony. But why not make something newer and superior then Blu-Ray, something that Games for Windows could benefit from also.

i don't know if anyone thought of this yet HD-DVD may be a dead format, but why not use it in the next xbox, it would be dirt cheap, and it would only be used for games so it wouldn't matter that it's obsolete as a film format,just cos it isn't used for anything else doesn't mean you can't use it in a games console and how many HD-DVD players are sitting around gathering dust at MS depots.delta3074

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i don't know if anyone thought of this yet HD-DVD may be a dead format, but why not use it in the next xbox, it would be dirt cheap, and it would only be used for games so it wouldn't matter that it's obsolete as a film format,just cos it isn't used for anything else doesn't mean you can't use it in a games console and how many HD-DVD players are sitting around gathering dust at MS depots.Chutebox

Well even if they are they won't tell us. MS isn't going to pomote Blu-Ray, not at this time any way.

'[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i don't know if anyone thought of this yet HD-DVD may be a dead format, but why not use it in the next xbox, it would be dirt cheap, and it would only be used for games so it wouldn't matter that it's obsolete as a film format,just cos it isn't used for anything else doesn't mean you can't use it in a games console and how many HD-DVD players are sitting around gathering dust at MS depots.VirtuaCast

Well even if they are they won't tell us. MS isn't going to pomote Blu-Ray, not at this time any way.