XBOX automatically erases data on your console when you sell the game at retail.
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Like most goods, washing machines are sold for profit with at least a 100% markup. Why would the manufacturer of a washing machine care how many different people use it? The more people who use it the sooner it will need servicing and parts replaced. Lets not overcomplicate this analogy. I think you understand the point. That game is no longer Microsoft's or the publisher.How about using an analogy that fits? Printers and phone are sold at a loss. Ink cant be reused and phones require contracts. Game industry is unique. You dont own the game, just a license to use it.[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]But isn't MS game anymore, so why should they have control over who uses it? That is like buying a washer and not allowing a friend to use it because the person you bought it from said not to.
sherman-tank1
Time and time again it's proven that cows never read anything. Too many words for you?percechNot really, Wonderbook has failed teaching them reading comprehension ...
The tech wasnt there to control these activities. The used games business was much smaller then. Crazy that MS doesnt want to spend the first 3 years of next gen not making a profit.[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="SambaLele"]
Since the PS1 companies sold consoles at a loss. But they managed to profit (a lot) with games. That's no excuse man, on the contrary, that's a marketing plan.
SambaLele
Not making a profit? That happened to the starting years of the 360 only because of the high failure rate. With the first Xbox because of the high HDD cost at the time. One thing was not planned, the other one was a bad plan.
All other consoles (PS1, 2, 3; Gamecube, etc., not the Wii since it was profitable hardware) were sold at a loss exactly to obtain more profit, by securing a larger consumer base, thus selling more games. If you sell your $400 console at a $800 price tag, how many people would buy it? How long each one would spend in games in the long term? If we sell 3x more consoles, at a endurable loss, could we profit more selling more games? Those are the right questions the marketing department asks before chosing the strategy, and you're missing the answers.
The profit margin of games is always their target.
The world is a very different place now than it was when PS1 or even PS 2 launched. Ebay, Craigs List and retail are pushing used games more than ever. That strategy doesnt work as well in our new, connected world.
Lets not overcomplicate this analogy. I think you understand the point. That game is no longer Microsoft's or the publisher.How about using an analogy that fits? Printers and phone are sold at a loss. Ink cant be reused and phones require contracts. Game industry is unique. You dont own the game, just a license to use it.I see your point. And I'm pretty sure you own the physical game, just not digitally. But still, it isn't right. Consumers have been taking more and more things taken away from them. It is slow process but it is there.[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Cranler"] Like most goods, washing machines are sold for profit with at least a 100% markup. Why would the manufacturer of a washing machine care how many different people use it? The more people who use it the sooner it will need servicing and parts replaced. Cranler
How about using an analogy that fits? Printers and phone are sold at a loss. Ink cant be reused and phones require contracts. Game industry is unique. You dont own the game, just a license to use it.I see your point. And I'm pretty sure you own the physical game, just not digitally. But still, it isn't right. Consumers have been taking more and more things taken away from them. It is slow process but it is there.Nope, just the license.[QUOTE="Cranler"]
[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Lets not overcomplicate this analogy. I think you understand the point. That game is no longer Microsoft's or the publisher.
sherman-tank1
So what happens when I want to use gamefly or God forbid borrow a game or even use redbox. I spend money and the console says screw you pay me wtf. I don't want any console telling how to play and when to pay. If the xbox1/ps4 does this crap I will stick to pc/wii u next gen. If I want to buy a used game I don't want my console trying to extort money from me before I play a game I bought and a Iconsole I also paid for.
I don't see how any gamer would want a console that does this. The online pass was bad enough but almost all were multiplats I could get on pc where the price was low. This IMO has ruined console gaming and I want not part of this. Anybody that supports this will pave the way for even more abuse from console makers.
[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I see your point. And I'm pretty sure you own the physical game, just not digitally. But still, it isn't right. Consumers have been taking more and more things taken away from them. It is slow process but it is there.Nope, just the license. Wait so they can take the physical game from you?[QUOTE="Cranler"]How about using an analogy that fits? Printers and phone are sold at a loss. Ink cant be reused and phones require contracts. Game industry is unique. You dont own the game, just a license to use it.
MFDOOM1983
Xbox one? more like Failbox One
How about using an analogy that fits? Printers and phone are sold at a loss. Ink cant be reused and phones require contracts. Game industry is unique. You dont own the game, just a license to use it.I see your point. And I'm pretty sure you own the physical game, just not digitally. But still, it isn't right. Consumers have been taking more and more things taken away from them. It is slow process but it is there. Seems to me that consumers have it better than ever with the internet. My last 3 game license purchases were Arkham City $7.50, Dark Souls $7.50 and Dead Island $5.00. Imagine all the driving and calling around I'd have to do to get those kinds of deals 10 years ago.[QUOTE="Cranler"]
[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Lets not overcomplicate this analogy. I think you understand the point. That game is no longer Microsoft's or the publisher.
sherman-tank1
[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lems = OwnedblackaceWait until Sony announces this same crap at the E3. What will you say then? Sony is keeping quiet for a reason. I think cows are going to be in for rude awakening. If all 3rd party publishers are doing this, watch out. In which case it would still affect MS more then Sony because they rely so heavily on 3rd Party devs, and it would hardly effect Nintendo at all....
Nope, just the license. Wait so they can take the physical game from you? If you sell the physical game to a retailer that accesses M$ used game policy servers, M$ connects to your Xbox One finds your account name and the game and removes the license. So if you want to play it again, you'd have to purchase the license. The whole thing is just stupid. If this is where used games is heading, millions will be leaving the gaming market.[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I see your point. And I'm pretty sure you own the physical game, just not digitally. But still, it isn't right. Consumers have been taking more and more things taken away from them. It is slow process but it is there.
sherman-tank1
When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?TigerSupermanToo much logic for the average System Warrior.
Wait until Sony announces this same crap at the E3. What will you say then? Sony is keeping quiet for a reason. I think cows are going to be in for rude awakening. If all 3rd party publishers are doing this, watch out. In which case it would still affect MS more then Sony because they rely so heavily on 3rd Party devs, and it would hardly effect Nintendo at all.... It'll effect everyone overall because publishers/developer will lose millions. What happens when publishers and developers go under? Games don't get made. lol!! It's a domino effect. If Sony isn't doing this with their 1st party games, they you have that to look forward too, but I'm sure Sony has other things up their sleeves to get money from their user base. It wouldn't effect Nintendo, as I don't think they are even in the loop on this. They could add it later though.[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lems = OwnedJonwh18
I wish we could wait for confirmation from MS but this would suck if you cant give your game to a friend and they have to pay money to play, that would be my problem
When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?TigerSupermanNot really about the selling, but the buying. If you buy a used game off of Ebay for say $20 and then try to play it on your XBox One, it's not going to play as it will still be associated with the sellers account on his system. That means that after you install the game, you have to purchase the license from M$/Publisher for full price. That's the problem with this system.
[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]It's a complete disaster. If this sh!t happens on the PS4 as well, it's over. Next-Gen is done and Gaming Crash of 2014 begins. God, I really hope that's not what's happening.. It would be a terribly sad thing.http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-preowned-plan-revealed-6408850?tag=Topslot;Slot1
holy crapola
no thanks
blackace
Not really, Wonderbook has failed teaching them reading comprehension ... Read and comprehend this:[QUOTE="percech"]Time and time again it's proven that cows never read anything. Too many words for you?Bruce_Benzing
http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/03/20/michael-denny/Playstation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?blackaceNot really about the selling, but the buying. If you buy a used game off of Ebay for say $20 and then try to play it on your XBox One, it's not going to play as it will still be associated with the sellers account on his system. That means that after you install the game, you have to purchase the license from M$/Publisher for full price. That's the problem with this system. Where has this been confirmed? If anything it would be a small fee that we see with online passes.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?blackaceNot really about the selling, but the buying. If you buy a used game off of Ebay for say $20 and then try to play it on your XBox One, it's not going to play as it will still be associated with the sellers account on his system. That means that after you install the game, you have to purchase the license from M$/Publisher for full price. That's the problem with this system.
The problem is the OP lists it as a question and Major Nelson just posted this:
The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.
Link
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-and-used-games-2/
[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]Not really, Wonderbook has failed teaching them reading comprehension ... Read and comprehend this:[QUOTE="percech"]Time and time again it's proven that cows never read anything. Too many words for you?Shewgenja
http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/03/20/michael-denny/ That's great that you're trying to lecture me on reading comprehension skills when you keep trying to convince people the Xone has to be always online even though after this was posted:Playstation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408688/interviews/interview-phil-harrison-on-xbox-one-indies-pre-owned-games-and-more/
There have also been statements this week that Xbox One will require a connection to the internet once every 24 hours in order for offline games to function. Can you give us the full story on this issue?
Xbox One is designed to have an internet connection - it does not require an internet connection to be on at all times, but many of the great features and capabilities of the system are unlocked via a connection to Xbox Live or the cloud so that all of the things you expect become unlocked.
If your internet connection is interrupted because of a local outage many, but not all of the features of the game content you own you will be able to use, but not all because some of them are uniquely online experiences. BBC iPlayer of Netflix won't work if your internet connection goes down, as you would expect.
Blu-ray movies and other single-player games that don't require an internet connection to Xbox Live will work. I think it is pretty rare of an outage of local internet connectivity to be more than a few seconds or minutes, so I don't expect it will ever impact on somebody's ability to use the system.
What a load of rubbish. If MS gets any fee for used games or I cant play rentals, I'll have a hard time buying X1.This was just posted by major nelson
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-and-used-games-2/
So I think we should hold off discussing this crap until Microsoft actually tell us how it works :P
RR360DD
The X1 is doing so much wrong that it has ruined any chance of me giving a crap, but this is not one of them. I actually like this feature. Would save me from having to delete it myself.
When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?TigerSuperman
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?no-scope-AK47
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408688/interviews/interview-phil-harrison-on-xbox-one-indies-pre-owned-games-and-more/
I think we will always take a customer or player centric view with this and our plans are very consistent with the way the world works today, which is if I buy a disc I can install it on my machine. I can play it and anyone associated with my machine can play it as well. I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine.
I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game. The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well.
So that's exactly the same as owning a physical disc, it's just the method of distributing the 'bits' slightly changes. We will have a system that will allow you to trade that ownership back in, but we're not announcing the details of that today. But we will have a system for that.
So can you tell me any other system on the market that would allow you to play an installed disc based game without the disc inside?
Reading comprehension is not System Wars' strong suit :(
So no selling on ebay?
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?Bruce_Benzing
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408688/interviews/interview-phil-harrison-on-xbox-one-indies-pre-owned-games-and-more/
I think we will always take a customer or player centric view with this and our plans are very consistent with the way the world works today, which is if I buy a disc I can install it on my machine. I can play it and anyone associated with my machine can play it as well. I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine.
I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game. The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well.
So that's exactly the same as owning a physical disc, it's just the method of distributing the 'bits' slightly changes. We will have a system that will allow you to trade that ownership back in, but we're not announcing the details of that today. But we will have a system for that.
So can you tell me any other system on the market that would allow you to play an installed disc based game without the disc inside?
So either you did not understand what I posted or just did not read it. What you posted does not address the problems I wrote about. I don't give a damn about playing a game with no disc. This is not a slight change this is a blatant attempt to extort money from gamers playing second hand console games period. So don't piss in my pocket and tell me that it is raining. Anybody that does not understand wtf is going on here is a moron.I will dumb it down even further. If I sell you a game directly and you try to play it your going to have to pay again to activate it.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?blackaceNot really about the selling, but the buying. If you buy a used game off of Ebay for say $20 and then try to play it on your XBox One, it's not going to play as it will still be associated with the sellers account on his system. That means that after you install the game, you have to purchase the license from M$/Publisher for full price. That's the problem with this system. Neither the fee nor Full Price was confirmed. MS also stated having an market that allows you to sell the games, which would not make sense if there WAS a fee.
the issue with this isn't that it automatically erases the game. You just sold it so you don't have it anymore. Being able to play it still is an exploit not a right or anything like that. You SHOULDN'T be able to play it. The issue is how secure is this feature because what happens if someone hacks in the system and starts telling xboxes to delete games? MS is an industry leader in cloud networks so the possibility of this happening is low. Their networks are pretty secure but it is something to think about.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?no-scope-AK47
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
What are you paying twice? Ms has a used market for trading and selling games, if you were paying twice it would be pointless in having that market. Common Sense.Yes, most responses on here are that misguided. If I sell you my Halo 4 on Ebay, Ebay is not going to duplicate Halo 4 and give me a free copy after I sold it to you. The definition of SOLD seems to escape people.So people are angry about after selling the game... they can no longer play the game... i don't ... what?
Vambran
[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
no-scope-AK47
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408688/interviews/interview-phil-harrison-on-xbox-one-indies-pre-owned-games-and-more/
I think we will always take a customer or player centric view with this and our plans are very consistent with the way the world works today, which is if I buy a disc I can install it on my machine. I can play it and anyone associated with my machine can play it as well. I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine.
I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game. The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well.
So that's exactly the same as owning a physical disc, it's just the method of distributing the 'bits' slightly changes. We will have a system that will allow you to trade that ownership back in, but we're not announcing the details of that today. But we will have a system for that.
So can you tell me any other system on the market that would allow you to play an installed disc based game without the disc inside?
So either you did not understand what I posted or just did not read it. What you posted does not address the problems I wrote about. I don't give a damn about playing a game with no disc. This is not a slight change this is a blatant attempt to extort money from gamers playing second hand console games period. So don't piss in my pocket and tell me that it is raining. Anybody that does not understand wtf is going on here is a moron.I will dumb it down even further. If I sell you a game directly and you try to play it your going to have to pay again to activate it.
Why would I buy the disc from you if all I have to do is opt to purchase the game myself after you load it on my HD?
Uh...that makes sense... Unfortunately, the rest of their game plan makes absolutely none.
Oh I don't know because people like to SAVE MONEY VS RETAIL. Why do people buy used games or use gamefly/redbox = You guessed it to save money.Why would I buy the disc from you if all I have to do is opt to purchase the game myself after you load it on my HD?
Bruce_Benzing
What are you paying twice? Ms has a used market for trading and selling games, if you were paying twice it would be pointless in having that market. Common Sense. Can you read english or are you acting dumb or do you ride a small yellow bus for the mentally challenged ??[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
no-scope-AK47
(Speaks slowly) I sell you game and you pay for it. (You with me so far) You take the game you bought home and try to play it. (Okay you still with me) The game will be blocked and in order to play it you will have to pay AGAIN!!!!
1+1= 2
See your paying twice even you should understand now or not even lumosity can help you.
What are you paying twice? Ms has a used market for trading and selling games, if you were paying twice it would be pointless in having that market. Common Sense. Can you read english or are you acting dumb or do you ride a small yellow bus for the mentally challenged ??[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
You did not read before you posted did you. THe problem is you must pay twice can't make it any more simple. You have a gamefly,redbox or borrow a game or buy a used game they are going to extort money from you before you can play. So you pay for the console, then you pay for the game and then before you play your 2nd hand game you must pay again. Who knowns maybe you like bending over for big brother so they can ram your wallet. Not to mention that camera watching you and reporting everything over the net really creeps me out.
I still have my pc/ps3/xbox360/wii u to play so I will pass on any console that forces me to pay twice. I like the ps4 but if it does this then I will pass on that also. The more I hear the better my mighty pc gets. Pretty soon you will have the pc and wii u or bend over and pay for the reeming from xbox1/ps4. Now Sony claims that it is up to the publishers what they choose to block. That is legal speak for don't blame us when your 2nd hand games get blocked.
no-scope-AK47
(Speaks slowly) I sell you game and you pay for it. (You with me so far) You take the game you bought home and try to play it. (Okay you still with me) The game will be blocked and in order to play it you will have to pay AGAIN!!!!
1+1= 2
See your paying twice even you should understand now or not even lumosity can help you.
Can you read english or are you acting dumb or do you ride a small yellow bus for the mentally challenged ??[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] What are you paying twice? Ms has a used market for trading and selling games, if you were paying twice it would be pointless in having that market. Common Sense.Bruce_Benzing
(Speaks slowly) I sell you game and you pay for it. (You with me so far) You take the game you bought home and try to play it. (Okay you still with me) The game will be blocked and in order to play it you will have to pay AGAIN!!!!
1+1= 2
See your paying twice even you should understand now or not even lumosity can help you.
[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]MS said if you load the game in your friends HD , they can play the game as long as the disc is present in it. If your friend likes the game, let them keep it and deactivate it on your HD. Did you miss the part that says I can load a game on another system and play it? The only way you would have to pay is if the disc isn't present. So if you already loaded the game on someone elses HD and played, then sold them the disc they would be able to play it and you would be unable to play the loaded game on your system. \ There you go.[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] Can you read english or are you acting dumb or do you ride a small yellow bus for the mentally challenged ??
(Speaks slowly) I sell you game and you pay for it. (You with me so far) You take the game you bought home and try to play it. (Okay you still with me) The game will be blocked and in order to play it you will have to pay AGAIN!!!!
1+1= 2
See your paying twice even you should understand now or not even lumosity can help you.TigerSuperman
I'm sad you posted this. I was enjoying watching No-Scope dig his hole, a response was already posted that explicitely stated that what No-Scope seems to believe is the case, is in-fact not the case at all, regarding selling/trading games and he responded to it with a claim that the poster lacked reading comprehension. It was hilarious and he has since kept reitterating that you'd have to essentially pay twice for a used game even though it's been clearly stated that is not the case.
Oh well, guess I'll look elsewhere for comedy.
[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]MS said if you load the game in your friends HD , they can play the game as long as the disc is present in it. If your friend likes the game, let them keep it and deactivate it on your HD. Did you miss the part that says I can load a game on another system and play it? The only way you would have to pay is if the disc isn't present. So if you already loaded the game on someone elses HD and played, then sold them the disc they would be able to play it and you would be unable to play the loaded game on your system. \ There you go. For your friend to play your game disc they will have to log in to your gamertag. Wow you two must have the reading level of a 5 year old. Try to keep up or better yet before you start posting READ.[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] Can you read english or are you acting dumb or do you ride a small yellow bus for the mentally challenged ??
(Speaks slowly) I sell you game and you pay for it. (You with me so far) You take the game you bought home and try to play it. (Okay you still with me) The game will be blocked and in order to play it you will have to pay AGAIN!!!!
1+1= 2
See your paying twice even you should understand now or not even lumosity can help you.TigerSuperman
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