XBOX automatically erases data on your console when you sell the game at retail.

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"] MS said if you load the game in your friends HD , they can play the game as long as the disc is present in it. If your friend likes the game, let them keep it and deactivate it on your HD. Did you miss the part that says I can load a game on another system and play it? The only way you would have to pay is if the disc isn't present. So if you already loaded the game on someone elses HD and played, then sold them the disc they would be able to play it and you would be unable to play the loaded game on your system.

Resultsmayvary0

I'm sad you posted this.  I was enjoying watching No-Scope dig his hole, a response was already posted that explicitely stated that what No-Scope seems to believe is the case, is in-fact not the case at all, regarding selling/trading games and he responded to it with a claim that the poster lacked reading comprehension.  It was hilarious and he has since kept reitterating that you'd have to essentially pay twice for a used game even though it's been clearly stated that is not the case.

Oh well, guess I'll look elsewhere for comedy.

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"] MS said if you load the game in your friends HD , they can play the game as long as the disc is present in it. If your friend likes the game, let them keep it and deactivate it on your HD. Did you miss the part that says I can load a game on another system and play it? The only way you would have to pay is if the disc isn't present. So if you already loaded the game on someone elses HD and played, then sold them the disc they would be able to play it and you would be unable to play the loaded game on your system.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"] MS said if you load the game in your friends HD , they can play the game as long as the disc is present in it. If your friend likes the game, let them keep it and deactivate it on your HD. Did you miss the part that says I can load a game on another system and play it? The only way you would have to pay is if the disc isn't present. So if you already loaded the game on someone elses HD and played, then sold them the disc they would be able to play it and you would be unable to play the loaded game on your system.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] \ There you go.TigerSuperman

Where is the link saying you DON'T have to log in to the game owners account to play a borrowed game :roll:

I keep waiting for Freddy Krueger to pop out of my screen and kill. lol

Retailers will have to offset their used game price by more than whatever this mysterious used game fee is and give up an additional percentage of their revenue? I can't see retail remaining viable in this environment. Ultimately this comes out of our pockets with higher used game prices and/or lower trade-in values.

Ginosaji

I don't see how the used game market prices won't go up or the value of 2nd hand games won't go down. The prices for example gamestop gives you are really low. That is why most people sell direct or on craigslist. I don't see how gamefly prices will not go up either if that service will even be possible. I can see it now you will have to log into the net to play or call a phone number. If you don't you may have a time limit before the game becomes disable or have limited access.

None of this is good news for the gamers. It is great for the game publishers and system owners only.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] \ There you go.Bruce_Benzing

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] For your friend to play your game disc they will have to log in to your gamertag. Wow you two must have the reading level of a 5 year old. Try to keep up or better yet before you start posting READ.

no-scope-AK47

Where is the link saying you DON'T have to log in to the game owners account to play a borrowed game :roll:

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] Very links you have posted and official interview debunked that. You can bring a game to "your sons Xboxone" and let him play it "himself" but once you come and get the game he can't play it without the disc. But he can pay for it if he liked it, and it will take 5 seconds to download it to his HDD because there are fragmnets temporarily on his HDD. Also again, there is no fee for paying twice otherwise MS's market place that allows trading and selling games would be pointless a if you brought off it you would have to pay for it after you brough tit which makes no sense.TigerSuperman

Where is the link saying you DON'T have to log in to the game owners account to play a borrowed game :roll:

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

Where is the link saying you DON'T have to log in to the game owners account to play a borrowed game :roll:

no-scope-AK47

And it just deletes the data (licence) allowing you to play the game obviously ... because you've sold it. Whats the issue.RR360DD

You're going to be charged by MS & by the developer a fee for buying a used game. You can only trade in used games where the retailer agrees to MS's policy. Bye bye renting for xbox One.

Sony stated they wont charge for playing used games. They stated they wont, but they can't make the developer not charge. MS is charging you & the developers are charging you and they're charging for online and who knows what else. MS is controlling everything and charging for everything. Keep supporting that company and you taking console gaming into it's demise.

You like paying less for gaming? Free online? Renting? Buying used games? Trading in used games?

If yes then stop supporting the company that is and has been headed towards charging for everything and controlling everything M$, the greediest company on the planet. They are the richest company in America and you're feeding their greed!

You like paying less for gaming? Free online? Renting? Buying used games? Trading in used games?

If yes then stop supporting the company that is and has been headed towards charging for everything and controlling everything M$, the greediest company on the planet. They are the richest company in America and you're feeding their greed!

clr84651

i'm buying the ps4 out of charity. sony definitely need all the help they can get. :(

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?Cranler

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?Bruce_Benzing

 The problem is the OP lists it as a question and Major Nelson just posted this:

The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.

Link

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-and-used-games-2/

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] Can you read english or are you acting dumb or do you ride a small yellow bus for the mentally challenged ??

(Speaks slowly) I sell you game and you pay for it. (You with me so far) You take the game you bought home and try to play it. (Okay you still with me) The game will be blocked and in order to play it you will have to pay AGAIN!!!!

1+1= 2
See your paying twice even you should understand now or not even lumosity can help you.

TigerSuperman

This makes sense and gives me hope that there will only be a one time registry without a fee for every console a game is put in to. That makes perfect sense for a console that allows playing without a disc. It will show the still have a freakin clue if they use this policy and I'll get one.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] The fact that 2 high ranked MS representatives. One clearly stating that he could give it to his son and the son could play it without him, and the other saying you can give a friend a game and as long as the disc is in, will be able to play it with no features blocked. The only thing you have making your point is speculation.TigerSuperman

Wow your talking about making sense. It only makes cents for M$ and the game developer/publisher not for the end user. Here is a quote fron Phil Harrison (The VP of M$ in case you don't know who he is) "I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game. The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game." 

Now unless the game owner is there or I give you access to my gamer tag, You will not be able to play that game. In case you did not read the interview. This is right from the VP of microsoft own mouth. So pardon me if I take his word over a stranger on the net.

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] Where is this link your telling me stuff that was said with no link ie I call bullshit.

no-scope-AK47

Wow your talking about making sense. It only makes cents for M$ and the game developer/publisher not for the end user. Here is a quote fron Phil Harrison (The VP of M$ in case you don't know who he is) "I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game. The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game." 

Now unless the game owner is there or I give you access to my gamer tag, You will not be able to play that game. In case you did not read the interview. This is right from the VP of microsoft own mouth. So pardon me if I take his word over a stranger on the net.

I think the confusion is here:

1. You bring the game to a friends house

2. The game HAS TO BE INSTALLED, it HAS TO

3. You play the game

4. You leave

5. The game can no longer be played

The reason he specifically states the game cannot be played after you leave is not because of the XBL account, he never says that either, that's where you're jumping to a conclusion.  It can't be played because the disc is absent, on a different console you'd say that's common sense but with XBO the games can be played with no disc, I feel that's the reason he makes the point, because on a second/third/fourth install the disc will be needed, but not on a first install, on the system the game is registered to.

That's what I've taken away from the interview.  This isn't a lem defense, I'm still not buying one unless they nix the Kinect 2.0 always on bullshit, but it would be suicide for Microsoft to implement a feature that doesn't allow for game rentals.  I think they're too intelligent of a company to take that step.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, I really have no vested interest here and as such do not care.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] You mean the one the other guy in this arguments been posting and everyone else? http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29396098/major-nelson-releases-another-statement-about-used-games Is one of the many links talking about the trade and sell service which would make no sense if they made people pay twice.Resultsmayvary0

Wow your talking about making sense. It only makes cents for M$ and the game developer/publisher not for the end user. Here is a quote fron Phil Harrison (The VP of M$ in case you don't know who he is) "I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game. The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game." 

Now unless the game owner is there or I give you access to my gamer tag, You will not be able to play that game. In case you did not read the interview. This is right from the VP of microsoft own mouth. So pardon me if I take his word over a stranger on the net.

I think the confusion is here:

1. You bring the game to a friends house

2. The game HAS TO BE INSTALLED, it HAS TO

3. You play the game

4. You leave

5. The game can no longer be played

The reason he specifically states the game cannot be played after you leave is not because of the XBL account, he never says that either, that's where you're jumping to a conclusion.  It can't be played because the disc is absent, on a different console you'd say that's common sense but with XBO the games can be played with no disc, I feel that's the reason he makes the point, because on a second/third/fourth install the disc will be needed, but not on a first install, on the system the game is registered to.

That's what I've taken away from the interview.  This isn't a lem defense, I'm still not buying one unless they nix the Kinect 2.0 always on bullshit, but it would be suicide for Microsoft to implement a feature that doesn't allow for game rentals.  I think they're too intelligent of a company to take that step.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, I really have no vested interest here and as such do not care.

1. To log in to their gamertag

2. Visual DRM using the camera

Normally when I lend a game to a friend I don't have to be there. The new xbox1 ties that disc to your account and anybody besides you has to pay to play. M$ talked about a huge server farm for the cloud. Really that will be used to track games and the video info from the 1080p camera. That is why the xbox1 needs a internet connection IMO the system would not work. Unless they have you call to keep track of you but that can be fooled.

My link was from an interview directly from Phil Harrison on the subject. Your link says reportedly meaning speculative. I guess you don't know how to read or know what the word reportedly mean....

Bruce_Benzing

A Microsoft spokesman relayed the following statement to CNET: "We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we've confirmed. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail. Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house -- should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

It's a direct quote stating that you can only play your game at your friend's house when you log into your own account. Nothing to misunderstand there and I haven't read anything that would make me think otherwise.

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

My link was from an interview directly from Phil Harrison on the subject. Your link says reportedly meaning speculative. I guess you don't know how to read or know what the word reportedly mean....

nethernova

A Microsoft spokesman relayed the following statement to CNET: "We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we've confirmed. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail. Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house -- should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

It's a direct quote stating that you can only play your game at your friend's house when you log into your own account. Nothing to misunderstand there and I haven't read anything that would make me think otherwise.

I said as much and M$ said as much. I talked about the problems with the system. For example selling a game to your friend and they would have to pay again to play the game. I also talked about gamefly/redbox and how that might be a problem. I talked about lending a game to friend and having it blocked unless they log into your gamertag. Who knows even giving them access to your gamertag might not work with the camera watching. I have no idea if you have no internet if the DRM would cause problems.

The system the xbox1 uses is great for M$ and game publishers but horrible for the end user. The whole point of gamefly and buying used games is to save money. The whole point of the new system is to make more money for the suits.

Man this Xbone console can't be defended lol.

When i sell a game on Ebay, usually I have to give that game away and I can't play it anymore magically. What people are saying here is when they sell a game the data will be gone from the hardrive. You people are complaing about not playing something you just SOLD to someone. Does Ebay duplicate the game you sold and give it back to you at the same time the buyer gets it?TigerSuperman

What most of you (not all) are missing from this news is that for this erasing of data to happen, the game has to be inserted and registered in this Azure system that only certain retailers will have.  It's right there in the article:  "The system will reportedly work as such: consumers can trade in physical Xbox One game discs only at retailers that have agreed to Microsoft's terms and conditions and have integrated the company's cloud-enabled Azure preowned technology into their own.'

So, as I read it, you can no longer sell your game disc on Ebay, Amazon, Craigslist, etc. and set your own price because it will not be de-registered from your account and whoever buys it would have to pay full price for the license anyway.  Instead, you can only take it to a store (like Gamestop) that has this system, where they decide how much to sell the game for and how much to pay you for it!  So now, instead of Gamestop ripping you off and only paying you $3 for a game they're gonna rip you off and only pay you $2 for a game, because Microsoft will take a cut from every used game sale.

Perhaps Ebay, Amazon, etc will get this Azure system.  But you still won't be able to sell directly to the buyer anymore, so you won't be able to negotiate your own prices, because it has to go through an official channel so that Microsoft gets a cut.