XBOX Founder: If Apple so chooses, they will simply kill MS/Sony/Ninty - UPDATE

<>I'm pretty sure that quote was directed at me. So at least provide some information about the topic then attacking me with a disguised insult.>

Blazerdt47

I'm replying to the fact that Apple has managed to market their products as necessities to the public eye. It's not necessarily Apple's fault that people are such marketing drones, but that is the reality of the world. There are several people going out and buying $1000+ laptops or buying $600 iPads for their 8 year old but can barely make ends meet. If Apple launched a console, people would buy it over a Sony/MS/Ninty console, simply because its an Apple product and it's "hip".

BPoole96

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

<>I'm pretty sure that quote was directed at me. So at least provide some information about the topic then attacking me with a disguised insult.>

musicalmac

I'm replying to the fact that Apple has managed to market their products as necessities to the public eye. It's not necessarily Apple's fault that people are such marketing drones, but that is the reality of the world. There are several people going out and buying $1000+ laptops or buying $600 iPads for their 8 year old but can barely make ends meet. If Apple launched a console, people would buy it over a Sony/MS/Ninty console, simply because its an Apple product and it's "hip".

BPoole96

Public observationBPoole96

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]Public observationmusicalmac

My observations align with what your OP says. It porbably would greatly trouble the big 3. In my original post, I stated that I would not buy it even if it did since Apple has no developers under them.

My observations align with what your OP says. It porbably would greatly trouble the big 3. In my original post, I stated that I would not buy it even if it did since Apple has no developers under them.

BPoole96

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My observations align with what your OP says. It porbably would greatly trouble the big 3. In my original post, I stated that I would not buy it even if it did since Apple has no developers under them.

musicalmac

Yes, first party specifically.. Obviously 3rd parties would be on board since they usually want to get their games on as many platforms as possible (especially if a behemoth like Apple came into the industry). A platform running !00% on multiplats would not work (See OnLive). Apple would have to throw a lot of money around in order to gather up existing talent in the industry.

Apple could very easily bring in a console that could dismantle the "big three." However, they're not a very intellectual company when it comes to pricing. Leave no doubt that the MacBook Pros are easily the best laptops on the market, but they're so damn expensive that only a select few people even own the devices!

Apple would put a $699.99 console on the market with little to no thought about if it'll sell or even get developed for! That alone is enough to keep them out of the console war.

Apple could very easily bring in a console that could dismantle the "big three." However, they're not a very intellectual company when it comes to pricing. Leave no doubt that the MacBook Pros are easily the best laptops on the market, but they're so damn expensive that only a select few people even own the devices!

 

Apple would put a $699.99 console on the market with little to no thought about if it'll sell or even get developed for! That alone is enough to keep them out of the console war.

Zophar87

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Apple could very easily bring in a console that could dismantle the "big three." However, they're not a very intellectual company when it comes to pricing. Leave no doubt that the MacBook Pros are easily the best laptops on the market, but they're so damn expensive that only a select few people even own the devices!

 

Apple would put a $699.99 console on the market with little to no thought about if it'll sell or even get developed for! That alone is enough to keep them out of the console war.

musicalmac

Except AppleTV is what it is; AppleTV. It's arguably just an overpriced Roku Box at this point. The hardware differences between AppleTV and an Apple console would be exceptional.

Except AppleTV is what it is; AppleTV. It's arguably just an overpriced Roku Box at this point. The hardware differences between AppleTV and an Apple console would be exceptional.

Zophar87

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Except AppleTV is what it is; AppleTV. It's arguably just an overpriced Roku Box at this point. The hardware differences between AppleTV and an Apple console would be exceptional.

musicalmac

I definitely overstated the $699.99 price point, and I'll go as far to agree that Apple probably won't put a console on the market for that price. But the device would still most likely be overpriced.

I definitely overstated the $699.99 price point, and I'll go as far to agree that Apple probably won't put a console on the market for that price. But the device would still most likely be overpriced.

Zophar87

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I definitely overstated the $699.99 price point, and I'll go as far to agree that Apple probably won't put a console on the market for that price. But the device would still most likely be overpriced.

musicalmac

Fact is, Apple computers are overpriced, even you can't deny that. AppleTV is overpriced as well. The iPhone 5 was fairly priced when it launched, but now you can get the Galaxy Note II for just $50 more which is arguably a much better phone. Aside from the iPad, Apple's products are very rarely evenly priced.

I still doubt Apple will even enter the Console Wars, so for me to even debate it seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]

I definitely overstated the $699.99 price point, and I'll go as far to agree that Apple probably won't put a console on the market for that price. But the device would still most likely be overpriced.

Zophar87

Fact is, Apple computers are overpriced, even you can't deny that. AppleTV is overpriced as well. The iPhone 5 was fairly priced when it launched, but now you can get the Galaxy Note II for just $50 more which is arguably a much better phone. Aside from the iPad, Apple's products are very rarely evenly priced.

I still doubt Apple will even enter the Console Wars, so for me to even debate it seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

Could be, but the Mac I'm using now has not even shown any signs of slowing down after 5 years. My PCs haven't even last 3. However, the pricing on Mac products is definiely more than it should be. I just set up Apple TV for my mother, who got it as a gift, and I was like this thing is $100? The consoles basically have everything this thing does.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

<>I'm pretty sure that quote was directed at me. So at least provide some information about the topic then attacking me with a disguised insult.>

musicalmac

I'm replying to the fact that Apple has managed to market their products as necessities to the public eye. It's not necessarily Apple's fault that people are such marketing drones, but that is the reality of the world. There are several people going out and buying $1000+ laptops or buying $600 iPads for their 8 year old but can barely make ends meet. If Apple launched a console, people would buy it over a Sony/MS/Ninty console, simply because its an Apple product and it's "hip".

BPoole96

Your are completely ignoring my posts about Apple and Google. I sense alot of bias for Apple here. I've owned every iPhone released and most high end Android phones there is. What makes Apple better? Prove me that Apple is better than everyone else, because according to you and every post you've made in this thread you've done nothing but bash every post going against Apple.

Then you got this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRKL4j2qXNo

It's typically the same kind of hypothesis the Zynga CEO made about the gaming industry several years back. Look at Zynga now. There are just too many people around who are having reasonable success with apps and social gaming, that they think they know how the whole gaming industry works in general. I'm fairly certain that the inventor of Ouya thinks the same way. Let's see how Ouya does. My prediction is...it'll sell, but it won't change the industry.

What Im about to say is undoubtedly going to piss some of you off. And thats fine. Because in a few years, Ill be right and youll look silly.

While everyone is focused on the next generation video game consoles from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft the latter two of which should be coming later this year Apple is going to dominate them all. And it wont even be that difficult.

ow, its not like this is a completely insane notion. Anyone who has been following the smartphone space for the past few years knows that Apple has sort of backed into video game dominance by way of their iOS devices. Apple has sold over 500 million of them. These devices have yielded over 40 billion downloads of the over 800,000 apps. And a large portion of those apps are games.

To put that in perspective, Microsoft has sold roughly 75 million Xbox 360s worldwide and that product launched over seven years ago. The iPhone the first iOS device launched five and a half years ago. And there were no third-party games until a year after that.

Sonys sales for the PS3 are nearly identical to the Microsoft numbers (it just took the worldwide lead from the 360). Nintendo has sold roughly 100 million Wiis since it went on sale just over six years ago. They have also sold about 150 million handheld DSes since 2004 (if you add all the varieties together).

Even if you lump together the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3, the Wii, and the Nintendo DS, Apple has still sold about 100 million more iOS devices than all of those systems combined. And again, in a much shorter span...

Apple will not win this space by playing the game that Microsoft, Sony, and to some extent, Nintendo, are playing. They will win by changing the rules of the game. And that game is all about developers, developers, developers, developers. Which is perhaps the most delicious twist one could ever imagine.TechCrunch

No it wont.  Who's really going to care about App Store games on their TV at home?  People who wouldn't by an Xbox, PS4, or Wii-U anyway.  Does he seriously believe console gamers will put down their controllers to play iOS games instead?  Its one thing to talk on the go where its just a quick fix until they get back to the couch.  Its quite another to talk replacement.

-ArchAngeL-777-

go back to 2000...ask how many people have an apple/mac product.NOW come forward to 2013.Ask how many people have Apple/Mac products..Anything can happen. I said it a long time ago..Gaming is going to take a quick turn in the next couple years. Console "only" machines will be a thing of the past. Desktop pc sales are dropping because people want smaller on the go products. Game developers are losing money,going bankrupt. Things changing..its time people realize it.

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No it wont.  Who's really going to care about App Store games on their TV at home?  People who wouldn't by an Xbox, PS4, or Wii-U anyway.  Does he seriously believe console gamers will put down their controllers to play iOS games instead?  Its one thing to talk on the go where its just a quick fix until they get back to the couch.  Its quite another to talk replacement.

VanDammFan

go back to 2000...ask how many people have an apple/mac product.NOW come forward to 2013.Ask how many people have Apple/Mac products..Anything can happen. I said it a long time ago..Gaming is going to take a quick turn in the next couple years. Console "only" machines will be a thing of the past. Desktop pc sales are dropping because people want smaller on the go products. Game developers are losing money,going bankrupt. Things changing..its time people realize it.

go back to 2000...ask how many people have an apple/mac product.NOW come forward to 2013.Ask how many people have Apple/Mac products..Anything can happen. I said it a long time ago..Gaming is going to take a quick turn in the next couple years. Console "only" machines will be a thing of the past. Desktop pc sales are dropping because people want smaller on the go products. Game developers are losing money,going bankrupt. Things changing..its time people realize it.

VanDammFan

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go back to 2000...ask how many people have an apple/mac product.NOW come forward to 2013.Ask how many people have Apple/Mac products..Anything can happen. I said it a long time ago..Gaming is going to take a quick turn in the next couple years. Console "only" machines will be a thing of the past. Desktop pc sales are dropping because people want smaller on the go products. Game developers are losing money,going bankrupt. Things changing..its time people realize it.

musicalmac

Which is sad, because Apple's console would be 6-8 years behind the curve and concentrated mostly on the ultra-casual audience and cheap primitive games. Bassicaly Wii with higher price-tag.

Oh well..even if they decide to go into this sector and squeeze consoles out of it the more dedicated gamers will still have PC gaming to fall back on.

In my opinion, Android is pushing more agresively into console gaming. Power of Android devices >>> IPAD 

It ´s a matter of time we see a powerful Adroid console, I mean something more powerful than Ouya

Which is sad, because Apple's console would be 6-8 years behind the curve and concentrated mostly on the ultra-casual audience and cheap primitive games. Bassicaly Wii with higher price-tag.

Oh well..even if they decide to go into this sector and squeeze consoles out of it the more dedicated gamers will still have PC gaming to fall back on.

AdrianWerner

Mmmmm, a deliciousTechCrunch article supports my thoughts on Apple's position regarding gaming.

[quote="TechCrunch"] What Im about to say is undoubtedly going to piss some of you off. And thats fine. Because in a few years, Ill be right and youll look silly.

While everyone is focused on the next generation video game consoles from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft the latter two of which should be coming later this year Apple is going to dominate them all. And it wont even be that difficult.

ow, its not like this is a completely insane notion. Anyone who has been following the smartphone space for the past few years knows that Apple has sort of backed into video game dominance by way of their iOS devices. Apple has sold over 500 million of them. These devices have yielded over 40 billion downloads of the over 800,000 apps. And a large portion of those apps are games.

To put that in perspective, Microsoft has sold roughly 75 million Xbox 360s worldwide and that product launched over seven years ago. The iPhone the first iOS device launched five and a half years ago. And there were no third-party games until a year after that.

Sonys sales for the PS3 are nearly identical to the Microsoft numbers (it just took the worldwide lead from the 360). Nintendo has sold roughly 100 million Wiis since it went on sale just over six years ago. They have also sold about 150 million handheld DSes since 2004 (if you add all the varieties together).

Even if you lump together the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3, the Wii, and the Nintendo DS, Apple has still sold about 100 million more iOS devices than all of those systems combined. And again, in a much shorter span...

Apple will not win this space by playing the game that Microsoft, Sony, and to some extent, Nintendo, are playing. They will win by changing the rules of the game. And that game is all about developers, developers, developers, developers. Which is perhaps the most delicious twist one could ever imagine.musicalmac

Truth be told, it's probably not going to be a big bother for anyone with a good computer. It'll be big trouble for the big three, though, who will likely then be known as the three formerly known as the big three.musicalmac

Ok, this is a totally different market, isn't it? Of course they have sold more phones compared to the consoles. But what we have to remember is that if devs are going to make games that work on all those devices they will have to create the games so they work on the first Iphone tech, which is dirt slow. Apple changes they're tech alot more often than consoles, and that is just annoying for devs. Sure, they could make the games work on all the different tech to some extent, but that costs time and money. And also, not enough people is going to buy a big budget game on a phone or a tablet...which means that we will see tons of angry birds.Martin_G_N

Realistically, the fall of big three will happen whether Apple moves agressively into the market or not. The model of expensive single purpose console is dead end. Microsoft will propably manage to extend it's life a little with the entertainment hub focus, but it will be just extension of death sentence. The fall will happen anyway, Apple might just speed it up.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]Ok, this is a totally different market, isn't it? Of course they have sold more phones compared to the consoles. But what we have to remember is that if devs are going to make games that work on all those devices they will have to create the games so they work on the first Iphone tech, which is dirt slow. Apple changes they're tech alot more often than consoles, and that is just annoying for devs. Sure, they could make the games work on all the different tech to some extent, but that costs time and money. And also, not enough people is going to buy a big budget game on a phone or a tablet...which means that we will see tons of angry birds.musicalmac

Infinity Blade is not in the same league as GeOW, and was mostly used to show of the graphics on the Iphone 4. Try releasing a 6+hour SP game on the level of GeOW on the Iphone, and then you'll see the cost effectivness goes down the drain. Gaming needs to evolve, not go backwards. Yeah, I agree on the disruptive effect though. But with everything Apple releases, someone is going to do it better at a cheaper price. Martin_G_N

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]Infinity Blade is not in the same league as GeOW, and was mostly used to show of the graphics on the Iphone 4. Try releasing a 6+hour SP game on the level of GeOW on the Iphone, and then you'll see the cost effectivness goes down the drain. Gaming needs to evolve, not go backwards. Yeah, I agree on the disruptive effect though. But with everything Apple releases, someone is going to do it better at a cheaper price. musicalmac

I have many apple products , the imac i'm posting from , a macbook pro , an iphone 5 , an ipad 3 ( which i rarely use) and an apple tv , still I don't think i'd buy an apple console , mainly because it wouldn't be popular , at least here in Brazil , the target market for consoles is very different from that of apple products , i'm really an exception , i definetly wouldn't be a test dummy , maybe after a successful release and line up , still , i have my doubts.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]Infinity Blade is not in the same league as GeOW, and was mostly used to show of the graphics on the Iphone 4. Try releasing a 6+hour SP game on the level of GeOW on the Iphone, and then you'll see the cost effectivness goes down the drain. Gaming needs to evolve, not go backwards. Yeah, I agree on the disruptive effect though. But with everything Apple releases, someone is going to do it better at a cheaper price. clyde46

Mmmmm, a deliciousTechCrunch article supports my thoughts on Apple's position regarding gaming.

[quote="TechCrunch"]

Apple has sold over 500 million of them. These devices have yielded over 40 billion downloads of the over 800,000 apps. And a large portion of those apps are games.

To put that in perspective, Microsoft has sold roughly 75 million Xbox 360s worldwide and that product launched over seven years ago. The iPhone the first iOS device launched five and a half years ago. And there were no third-party games until a year after that.

musicalmac

Why is he comparing sales? They cater to different demographics...

pipin ring bells ?     id rather continue supporting wiiu ps4 and 720 screw apple

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]Ok, this is a totally different market, isn't it? Of course they have sold more phones compared to the consoles. But what we have to remember is that if devs are going to make games that work on all those devices they will have to create the games so they work on the first Iphone tech, which is dirt slow. Apple changes they're tech alot more often than consoles, and that is just annoying for devs. Sure, they could make the games work on all the different tech to some extent, but that costs time and money. And also, not enough people is going to buy a big budget game on a phone or a tablet...which means that we will see tons of angry birds.Martin_G_N

Pretty accurate I'd say

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]Ok, this is a totally different market, isn't it? Of course they have sold more phones compared to the consoles. But what we have to remember is that if devs are going to make games that work on all those devices they will have to create the games so they work on the first Iphone tech, which is dirt slow. Apple changes they're tech alot more often than consoles, and that is just annoying for devs. Sure, they could make the games work on all the different tech to some extent, but that costs time and money. And also, not enough people is going to buy a big budget game on a phone or a tablet...which means that we will see tons of angry birds.musicalmac

And talking about infinity blade hmmm

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/8/3968568/infinity-blade-dungeons-on-hold-epic-closes-impossible-studios

Mmmmm, a deliciousTechCrunch article supports my thoughts on Apple's position regarding gaming.

[quote="TechCrunch"] What Im about to say is undoubtedly going to piss some of you off. And thats fine. Because in a few years, Ill be right and youll look silly.

While everyone is focused on the next generation video game consoles from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft the latter two of which should be coming later this year Apple is going to dominate them all. And it wont even be that difficult.

ow, its not like this is a completely insane notion. Anyone who has been following the smartphone space for the past few years knows that Apple has sort of backed into video game dominance by way of their iOS devices. Apple has sold over 500 million of them. These devices have yielded over 40 billion downloads of the over 800,000 apps. And a large portion of those apps are games.

To put that in perspective, Microsoft has sold roughly 75 million Xbox 360s worldwide and that product launched over seven years ago. The iPhone the first iOS device launched five and a half years ago. And there were no third-party games until a year after that.

Sonys sales for the PS3 are nearly identical to the Microsoft numbers (it just took the worldwide lead from the 360). Nintendo has sold roughly 100 million Wiis since it went on sale just over six years ago. They have also sold about 150 million handheld DSes since 2004 (if you add all the varieties together).

Even if you lump together the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3, the Wii, and the Nintendo DS, Apple has still sold about 100 million more iOS devices than all of those systems combined. And again, in a much shorter span...

Apple will not win this space by playing the game that Microsoft, Sony, and to some extent, Nintendo, are playing. They will win by changing the rules of the game. And that game is all about developers, developers, developers, developers. Which is perhaps the most delicious twist one could ever imagine.musicalmac

That full atricle is packed with garbage from another Apple zombie that knows nothing about the gaming industry or Apple themselves.   The fact of the matter is the only way Apple has a chance in hell of challenging the console makers is to produce the same AAA titles on consoles and at the same quality of consoles for a far cheaper price.  They would have to spend billions on R@D for either a console like set top box(No apple tv in its current form could not cut it) or billions on servers to stream high quality games and for what?  Slim profit margins that Apple is not acustomed to. Apple sells hardware for massive profit meaning it will be far less capable then any of the next consoles.  If the PS4 cost $450 Sony is most likely selling it for a small loss.  Apple would never do that , as the same tech from apple would probably cost you around $1000 or more giving the current markup of all there products. Then we have to look at there current success of IOS which has no relation to the core gamer.  

 The current batch of people who are looking foward to games like The Witcher 3, AC4 , UC4 and the next COD are not the same people that are buying games on there IOS devices.  There is no one who who actually sets time out of there day to play games and says Id rather play the next Temple run and Angry Birds.  Ive sold apple products for over 2 years at At@T and of the 200 million + ios devices out there I can promise you less then half of them actually spend money on games.  IOS has free games in hopes that it will cause people to spend $2 to $3 dollars on the full price of the game.  But the fact is this rarely happens and its going to become apparent as more premium developers try to enter the mobile market.  Hell there most impressvie games were made by Epic games and they already shut there IOS studio down.  You know why?  Because $6 is to much for a game for about 90% of the IOS market.  And if 6$ is to much for them to buy something like Infinity blade how do you expect them to spend $50 or more on the next Witcher?  The premium game brand market is something Apple will never succeed at and it's going to become painfully obvious for apple fanboys and shareholders if they ever try. 

I can imagine Apple working well with indie game developers and generally speaking, smaller games. I do not think that will succeed in the entertainment center.BranKetra

gaming on ios will never replace consoles because the game support is crap lol very little first person shooters.

And not every game has controller support