No, an internet service is provided by internet service providers, such as Verizon, Brighthouse, etc. A gaming service is not the same thing. WoW is another example of a gaming service. These services do not provide service to access to the internet. The fact that you call Xbox Live an internet service perpetuates the belief that Xbox 360 gamers are paying Microsoft and their internet provider to play games online when they are not. They're paying their internet provider for access to the internet and they're paying Microsoft for the ability to play games. It's two completely separate services that do not fall under the same category in any way, shape or form.Lance_KalzasYou act like words can't have multiple definitions.
XBOX LIVE - The ONLY reason why it is a PAID service.
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[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]No, an internet service is provided by internet service providers, such as Verizon, Brighthouse, etc. A gaming service is not the same thing. WoW is another example of a gaming service. These services do not provide service to access to the internet. The fact that you call Xbox Live an internet service perpetuates the belief that Xbox 360 gamers are paying Microsoft and their internet provider to play games online when they are not. They're paying their internet provider for access to the internet and they're paying Microsoft for the ability to play games. It's two completely separate services that do not fall under the same category in any way, shape or form.DeiuosYou act like words can't have multiple definitions. No, I'm not acting like that but you are taking one thing and calling it something else. Just because another service, program, application, tool, etc accesses/uses the internet does not mean you automatically lump into the category of "internet service".
[QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]No, an internet service is provided by internet service providers, such as Verizon, Brighthouse, etc. A gaming service is not the same thing. WoW is another example of a gaming service. These services do not provide service to access to the internet. The fact that you call Xbox Live an internet service perpetuates the belief that Xbox 360 gamers are paying Microsoft and their internet provider to play games online when they are not. They're paying their internet provider for access to the internet and they're paying Microsoft for the ability to play games. It's two completely separate services that do not fall under the same category in any way, shape or form.Lance_KalzasYou act like words can't have multiple definitions. No, I'm not acting like that but you are taking one thing and calling it something else. Just because another service, program, application, tool, etc accesses/uses the internet does not mean you automatically lump into the category of "internet service". is it not a service on the internet?
Yes but as stated in a previous post (scroll up?), that doesn't make it an internet service. Internet service is provided by internet service providers hence the name. I would imagine that makes sense, right? Online games are provided by gaming services. Yahoo, AIM, etc are messaging services. I don't see how this is so hard to understand.Lance_KalzasI don't see how it's so hard to understand that it can also be considered an internet service, since it's a service on the internet. This is reminding me of the Kayne West South Park episode when Kayne couldn't accept the term Gay Fish."
I don't see how it's so hard to understand that it can also be considered an internet service, since it's a service on the internet. This is reminding me of the Kayne West South Park episode when Kayne couldn't accept the term Gay Fish."[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]Yes but as stated in a previous post (scroll up?), that doesn't make it an internet service. Internet service is provided by internet service providers hence the name. I would imagine that makes sense, right? Online games are provided by gaming services. Yahoo, AIM, etc are messaging services. I don't see how this is so hard to understand.Deiuos
Okay. I prefer to keep things as simple as possible but at the same time I can't see the sense in taking every single service that accesses the internet and throw into one category called "internet services" when the fact is this is not the case. Just because you see it this way doesn't mean it's a fact. If you can prove me wrong with links proving your definition, then I'll admit it. Otherwise, I won't.
[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"][QUOTE="Deiuos"] Absolutely, which is why I'd go to another service, like PSN -- like users are doing now. Though, millions of services out there make you pay for operating costs -- mainly internet services, which is what XBL is.Xbox Live is not an internet service. Verizon FIOS is, as an example. Xbox Live is a gaming service. A gaming service ... which wouldn't survive without the internet. By internet service, I mean a service that is ran using the internet. Aside from websites, there are programs that are built that require the internet to function, like AIM. Xbox Live is a program that requires the internet to function.And AIM is free. Windows Messenger is free. PSN is free. Wii's channels are free. Steam is free. And the latter three are internet gaming services highly similar to Live. In addition, Steam provides a higher quality of service. And yet Live charges. In the language of conscientious shoppers, this is a case of "paying more but getting less". As I said a few pages back, perhaps if Microsoft were willing to allow Silver members to game but under restricted circumstances (to encourage Gold upgrades and to keep traffic managable) then there'd be almost much less room to complain. A little more server traffic may be worth it for more console retention (and probably fewer defections) and increased advertising revenues.When I was a web designer for a couple of years, the heavy prices of building a website also came from the need to help pay for my office, phone, and server bill. Youtube has operating costs, and they're going the PSN route, and getting the money from some other means rather than the end user.
XBL could be free by adding more advertisements, like MySpace. Though, users don't like that all that much, so they keep ads at a minimum.
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]People refuse to NOT pay for XBL? :shock:xxThyLordxxthey cant, Halo and Gears is like a drug to them. Haha, you're a cow, then, I take it? You stupid people, thinking Gears and Halo are the only good 360 games when Halo 3 isn't good anyways. But anyways...uhhh...PC gaming's pretty laggy. XD Half of my Warcraft 3 games ended up with at least someone bombing out, and Battlefield 1942 and War Rock're pretty laggy too. The 360's online hasn't lagged on me yet, except for once in Halo Wars...=P
I don't see how it's so hard to understand that it can also be considered an internet service, since it's a service on the internet. This is reminding me of the Kayne West South Park episode when Kayne couldn't accept the term Gay Fish."[QUOTE="Deiuos"]
[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]Yes but as stated in a previous post (scroll up?), that doesn't make it an internet service. Internet service is provided by internet service providers hence the name. I would imagine that makes sense, right? Online games are provided by gaming services. Yahoo, AIM, etc are messaging services. I don't see how this is so hard to understand.Lance_Kalzas
Okay. I prefer to keep things as simple as possible but at the same time I can't see the sense in taking every single service that accesses the internet and throw into one category called "internet services" when the fact is this is not the case. Just because you see it this way doesn't mean it's a fact. If you can prove me wrong with links proving your definition, then I'll admit it. Otherwise, I won't.
We have two perspectives here, unless you can correct me:1) Xbox Live is not an internet service, because an internet service is essentially the internet itself, provided by ISPs.
2) Xbox Live is an internet service, in the definition of it being a service on the internet.
Those are two complete different perspectives, my friend. I'm accepting both, why can't you? I understand that Xbox Live is not an internet service under your defintions, but under the ones that I have set, it is. It depends how you define "internet service." Words generally have more than one definition -- a lot of miscommunications occur from people not having the same definitions set for what words they are using.
The definition of "internet service" that I've been saying has repeatedly been different from your definition. We're simply miscommunicating.
Tell you what, I'll quit my job and you can pay to keep me. That's about the only way your going to have any say into what i spend my money on.
The facts are;
- no other console provides the services XBL does.
- I personally don't care about PC gaming, have no interest in it and would rather play on a console, so steam isn't an option. :| Don't like it? Deal with it, PC gaming sucks and you aren't about to change my opinion on that, i play old games on my PC and perhaps starcraft 2 when it's out..don't care about anything else. Deal with it.
- It's a tiny amount of money that i honestly do not even notice is missing so with that said i can honestly say i don't care, it's not hurting me it's not putting stress on me and I'm not finding myself with money problems if that was to ever happen I'd do what any half intelligent person would do; I'd stop paying.
If you or anyone else complaining has trouble affording it..you picked the wrong console, you knew it charged before you bought it. For those just arguing because you think it should be free; Mind your own business eh? Make your stand by not paying for it don't dictate to me or anyone else what we should do with our money unless your going to start paying our bills.
The joke is the majority in here don't pay the bills, don't pay for their games, consoles or internet service yet still find the balls to tell others how to spend their money.
But then you have people like me, "Disconnected Lemmings" who conscientiously do not pay for Live Gold even though I own a 360 (I got it for single-player games). And I ask, "How can Sony, who has a lower market cap than Microsoft, have free online play for all members and more dedicated servers for PSN gaming than Microsoft does for Live?" And $50 may seem tiny to you but it means something to me--one more game. And that matters to me because I AM on a budget.Tell you what, I'll quit my job and you can pay to keep me. That's about the only way your going to have any say into what i spend my money on.
The facts are;
- no other console provides the services XBL does.
- I personally don't care about PC gaming, have no interest in it and would rather play on a console, so steam isn't an option. :| Don't like it? Deal with it, PC gaming sucks and you aren't about to change my opinion on that, i play old games on my PC and perhaps starcraft 2 when it's out..don't care about anything else. Deal with it.
- It's a tiny amount of money that i honestly do not even notice is missing so with that said i can honestly say i don't care, it's not hurting me it's not putting stress on me and I'm not finding myself with money problems if that was to ever happen I'd do what any half intelligent person would do; I'd stop paying.
If you or anyone else complaining has trouble affording it..you picked the wrong console, you knew it charged before you bought it. For those just arguing because you think it should be free; Mind your own business eh? Make your stand by not paying for it don't dictate to me or anyone else what we should do with our money unless your going to start paying our bills.
The joke is the majority in here don't pay the bills, don't pay for their games, consoles or internet service yet still find the balls to tell others how to spend their money.
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They only reason why it's a paid service is......hold on..........................here it comes.........................................................it will blow your mind!...............................because people pay:shock:killerfistyou completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same.
I'm sure MS can do the same.Adrian_CloudYeah, I'm sure they can but they don't. Why? because people (like myself) pay. How did I miss the point?
[QUOTE="killerfist"]They only reason why it's a paid service is......hold on..........................here it comes.........................................................it will blow your mind!...............................because people pay:shock:Adrian_Cloudyou completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same. Yeah, I'm sure MS can do the same as well but the actual question should be whether Sony should be charging or not. I think they should. We're talking about the stability of the company here. I'm not saying Sony is going to go out of business but a good way to turn the company around would be to start charging a fee to play online, just make it smaller than Microsoft's. Oh and killerfist did not miss the point. :)
[QUOTE="killerfist"]They only reason why it's a paid service is......hold on..........................here it comes.........................................................it will blow your mind!...............................because people pay:shock:Adrian_Cloudyou completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same. Of course Microsoft could do the same, but they would lose money, just like sony is losing money on their service even with the fees they charge developers and developers having to host all dedicated servers so yes Microsoft could do free but not without charging every one but the consumer like sony does. As for that sony couldn't ask people to pay for psn becuse its not near on the level of service as Xbox live, I'd not pay for psn unless it was udpated much more then it is now, if it was onpar with xbox live then id pay for it but its not.
MS knows people will pay for it. Jeez, Lemmings lose their freakin minds when someone points out a fault with their beloved "money box". Yes, the fault is being nickeled and dimed. Spin it how ever you want; you ARE being nickeled and dimed and actually liking it. Good job MS.furomaster_99I wouldn't say anyone likes it. I'm sure we would all like it to be free but the fact is it isn't. I have a pretty strong feeling that the cost to maintain Xbox Live is far higher than the cost to maintain PSN plus Sony is slowly going in the same direction just in a different way with the microtransactions. If that's not successful, meaning if it doesn't generate a significant revenue stream, I'm pretty sure Sony will start charging something sooner or later so go buy a $2 shirt and support Sony.
I understand what you are saying but here is the correction you are asking for. I went to www.dictionary.com and typed in the search field "internet service" and it doesn't pull up a definition. Instead it pulls up a web search (because there's not a definition) and the results of that search pulled up a list of ISPs. Wikipedia's website was also included in the search where it gave a definition of internet service provider or internet access provider. Several things it does not pull up is Xbox Live's website, the web address for Yahoo IM, for AIM, ICQ, etc and, going by your definition of the word, it should. I tried Yahoo's search engine with "define internet service" and, again going by your definition, it should have pulled up a list of what you are calling internet services, such as Xbox Live. It does not. Instead it pulls up a list of websites offering to give a definition of internet service provider. I checked Google's search engine with "define internet services" and similar results were returned. Just because that is how YOU personally define it doesn't mean it's a fact and it continues the misconception that people are paying Microsoft for the right to use their internet service to play games, which is not the case. Xbox Live customers are paying for the right to play games through Xbox Live, nothing more and nothing less. I do understand that you're not the only one that defines it this way but it's simply not correct.Lance_KalzasAre you serious. It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word. Anyways, if we're going to be this picky about things, it's not even a word itself, I don't know why you'd search google or dictionary.com. It's a "term" made up of two separate words. And "term"s can be, and are, defined by the user. For example, I give you a job title termed "Head Coach." As the business owner, I'm going to define that term, rather than you going off and googling what a "Head Coach" is and arguing that it's a position for a sports team, rather than a business group. It's a term I made up for the business, and I'm going to define your role, and you're going to fulfill it.
You don't pay for the "right". You pay for the service. There's a difference. Yes, the Wii offers it for free, PC offers it for free, PS3 offers it for free, the 360 doesn't, too bad. Some people still consider the service worth it.[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="enygma500"] then M$ charges you for the right to use either. it's crap.enygma500
Ps3 gets the same service for free. I'm talking about firmware updates, playing online and the store. Live is free on the PC.
therefore i say M$ chrages you for the right to use you own stuff. it's the same as if i baught a car (not financed) from chevy and then GM said I couldn't use the stereo, air, tilt, cruise, power windows, etc. without paying them a fee. All I would be allowed to do is drive it.
Bad example. You really just hurt your own argument. In a new GM car the stereo will beSatelitte and you also will have Onstar. Both will be free at first (a year), but then if you want to continue using them you will pay a monthly fee. No you don't need them to use the car, but to get the full benefit of what you already paid for you will neeed to pay more.
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="killerfist"]They only reason why it's a paid service is......hold on..........................here it comes.........................................................it will blow your mind!...............................because people pay:shock:WilliamRLBakeryou completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same. Of course Microsoft could do the same, but they would lose money, just like sony is losing money on their service even with the fees they charge developers and developers having to host all dedicated servers so yes Microsoft could do free but not without charging every one but the consumer like sony does. As for that sony couldn't ask people to pay for psn becuse its not near on the level of service as Xbox live, I'd not pay for psn unless it was udpated much more then it is now, if it was onpar with xbox live then id pay for it but its not. But if people paid,Sony would have the funds and incentive to make it as good as live. Not to get off topic, but PSN Home is actually another great service and people do optionally choose to pay for certain items. The same would not be said for XBL where they force you to pay for just about everything.
Are you serious. It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word. Anyways, if we're going to be this picky about things, it's not even a word itself, I don't know why you'd search google or dictionary.com. It's a "term" made up of two separate words. And "term"s can be, and are, defined by the user. For example, I give you a job title termed "Head Coach." As the business owner, I'm going to define that term, rather than you going off and googling what a "Head Coach" is and arguing that it's a position for a sports team, rather than a business group. It's a term I made up for the business, and I'm going to define your role, and you're going to fulfill it. Wow, I had no idea we could choose the definitions we want to use for any given word or phrase. Now that I know that, I guess I'll just change the definition of....book. From now on a book, based on how I define it from now on, is actually a dvd case becase it opens up just like a book. Like I said, just because that is how YOU use the term, word, phrase, whatever you want to call it doesn't mean that it's correct. The fact that you can't provide any proof or examples to show otherwise, and I have, means that you're wrong. Most people don't like to admit it though which is too bad.[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]I understand what you are saying but here is the correction you are asking for. I went to www.dictionary.com and typed in the search field "internet service" and it doesn't pull up a definition. Instead it pulls up a web search (because there's not a definition) and the results of that search pulled up a list of ISPs. Wikipedia's website was also included in the search where it gave a definition of internet service provider or internet access provider. Several things it does not pull up is Xbox Live's website, the web address for Yahoo IM, for AIM, ICQ, etc and, going by your definition of the word, it should. I tried Yahoo's search engine with "define internet service" and, again going by your definition, it should have pulled up a list of what you are calling internet services, such as Xbox Live. It does not. Instead it pulls up a list of websites offering to give a definition of internet service provider. I checked Google's search engine with "define internet services" and similar results were returned. Just because that is how YOU personally define it doesn't mean it's a fact and it continues the misconception that people are paying Microsoft for the right to use their internet service to play games, which is not the case. Xbox Live customers are paying for the right to play games through Xbox Live, nothing more and nothing less. I do understand that you're not the only one that defines it this way but it's simply not correct.Deiuos
[QUOTE="Deiuos"]Are you serious. It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word. Anyways, if we're going to be this picky about things, it's not even a word itself, I don't know why you'd search google or dictionary.com. It's a "term" made up of two separate words. And "term"s can be, and are, defined by the user. For example, I give you a job title termed "Head Coach." As the business owner, I'm going to define that term, rather than you going off and googling what a "Head Coach" is and arguing that it's a position for a sports team, rather than a business group. It's a term I made up for the business, and I'm going to define your role, and you're going to fulfill it. Wow, I had no idea we could choose the definitions we want to use for any given word or phrase. Now that I know that, I guess I'll just change the definition of....book. From now on a book, based on how I define it from now on, is actually a dvd case becase it opens up just like a book. Like I said, just because that is how YOU use the term, word, phrase, whatever you want to call it doesn't mean that it's correct. The fact that you can't provide any proof or examples to show otherwise, and I have, means that you're wrong. Most people don't like to admit it though which is too bad. I said term, not word. Also, you are free to give words other definitions. Who's to say you can't? Now, if you say that word with your own definition, be sure to define it beforehand, to keep away confusion. People make and change words all the time. You should be open minded about these things.[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]I understand what you are saying but here is the correction you are asking for. I went to www.dictionary.com and typed in the search field "internet service" and it doesn't pull up a definition. Instead it pulls up a web search (because there's not a definition) and the results of that search pulled up a list of ISPs. Wikipedia's website was also included in the search where it gave a definition of internet service provider or internet access provider. Several things it does not pull up is Xbox Live's website, the web address for Yahoo IM, for AIM, ICQ, etc and, going by your definition of the word, it should. I tried Yahoo's search engine with "define internet service" and, again going by your definition, it should have pulled up a list of what you are calling internet services, such as Xbox Live. It does not. Instead it pulls up a list of websites offering to give a definition of internet service provider. I checked Google's search engine with "define internet services" and similar results were returned. Just because that is how YOU personally define it doesn't mean it's a fact and it continues the misconception that people are paying Microsoft for the right to use their internet service to play games, which is not the case. Xbox Live customers are paying for the right to play games through Xbox Live, nothing more and nothing less. I do understand that you're not the only one that defines it this way but it's simply not correct.Lance_Kalzas
Really? I thought you said "word" here
Are you serious. It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word. Deiuos
So we are free to give words other definitions? Try that in a language class at a college or a school and see how far that gets you. The term "internet service" means access to the internet provided by an ISP or IAP. This is evident when doing a search for internet service as I stated above. The search only pulls up internet providers. It does not pull up a list of messaging or gaming services, such as AIM or Xbox Live. If the term you're defining was accepted by the industries involved, then the search engines would include those services.
This is YOUR definition but that doesn't mean it's correct so define away. Include whatever you want in YOUR definition because it doesn't matter and it doesn't mean anything to anyone except you and the few that continue to use it incorrectly. It certainly doesn't mean anything to the companies that know what it actually means. So you provided a link to a dictionarywebsite. That's not proof because when someone changes the meaning of a word, term or phrase on that website, that does not mean it'll be accepted by any industry standard or educational institution, such as a college or school.
[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]MS knows people will pay for it. Jeez, Lemmings lose their freakin minds when someone points out a fault with their beloved "money box". Yes, the fault is being nickeled and dimed. Spin it how ever you want; you ARE being nickeled and dimed and actually liking it. Good job MS.Lance_KalzasI wouldn't say anyone likes it. I'm sure we would all like it to be free but the fact is it isn't. I have a pretty strong feeling that the cost to maintain Xbox Live is far higher than the cost to maintain PSN plus Sony is slowly going in the same direction just in a different way with the microtransactions. If that's not successful, meaning if it doesn't generate a significant revenue stream, I'm pretty sure Sony will start charging something sooner or later so go buy a $2 shirt and support Sony. Subscription systems tend to be macroeconomic in their nature. IOW, once they go down, there is a huge disincentive to get them back up again (in this case, the potential for mass defections). It's like what happened to Games for Windows Live. Everyone was so used to the free-for-all PC model that when Microsoft tried to implement the Xbox's subscription model on the PC, all the PC gamers shunned it for Steam and the like. So they had to go free or go home--and abandon Games for Windows Live altogether. Similarly, if PSN's microtransaction system doesn't work, and they try for a subscription model, you can picture lots of PSN subscribers walking away at that point. If this pans out, barring something revolutionary, the PS3's online revenue model is going to turn into an unpluggable money sink.
Really? I thought you said "word" here
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Are you serious. It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word. Lance_Kalzas
So we are free to give words other definitions? Try that in a language class at a college or a school and see how far that gets you. The term "internet service" means access to the internet provided by an ISP or IAP. This is evident when doing a search for internet service as I stated above. The search only pulls up internet providers. It does not pull up a list of messaging or gaming services, such as AIM or Xbox Live. If the term you're defining was accepted by the industries involved, then the search engines would include those services.
This is YOUR definition but that doesn't mean it's correct so define away. Include whatever you want in YOUR definition because it doesn't matter and it doesn't mean anything to anyone except you and the few that continue to use it incorrectly. It certainly doesn't mean anything to the companies that know what it actually means. So you provided a link to a dictionarywebsite. That's not proof because when someone changes the meaning of a word, term or phrase on that website, that does not mean it'll be accepted by any industry standard or educational institution, such as a college or school.
This is going no where. Let's just agree to disagree, because I'm not going to be doing this all week. You're also either not comprehending the entirety of what I type, or just trying manipulate whatever you can get your hands on to appear correct on a subjective issue, because I clearly said "Anyways, if we're going to be this picky about things, it's not even a word itself, I don't know why you'd search google or dictionary.com. It's a "term" made up of two separate words." Though, you just quote the sentence "It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word." to make it seem like I never said that.
[QUOTE="killerfist"]They only reason why it's a paid service is......hold on..........................here it comes.........................................................it will blow your mind!...............................because people pay:shock:Adrian_Cloudyou completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same. possibly, but many users, like myself, don't mind paying. you always have your choice as a consumer.
Fortunately I live a life where five bucks a month isnt worth me complaining on the internet over for a great service
paying for Live isn't that big of a deal to me. $50 for 13 months isn't that much so I'm not complaining
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="killerfist"]They only reason why it's a paid service is......hold on..........................here it comes.........................................................it will blow your mind!...............................because people pay:shock:clone01you completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same. possibly, but many users, like myself, don't mind paying. you always have your choice as a consumer. I care so little about spending $4 a month that it boggles my mind why people would find it worth the effort to go through the keystrokes to complain about it. Repeatedly.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] you completely missed the point. Its because they are WILLING to pay. Sony has a smaller user base and is making less profit than MS, and their online is free. I'm sure MS can do the same.Verge_6possibly, but many users, like myself, don't mind paying. you always have your choice as a consumer. I care so little about spending $4 a month that it boggles my mind why people would find it worth the effort to go through the keystrokes to complain about it. Repeatedly.
Can you pay in payments of $4 a month? Just wondering...
I care so little about spending $4 a month that it boggles my mind why people would find it worth the effort to go through the keystrokes to complain about it. Repeatedly.[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="clone01"] possibly, but many users, like myself, don't mind paying. you always have your choice as a consumer. Bebi_vegeta
Can you pay in payments of $4 a month? Just wondering...
if you don't care for the fee, then don't pay.[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] I care so little about spending $4 a month that it boggles my mind why people would find it worth the effort to go through the keystrokes to complain about it. Repeatedly.clone01
Can you pay in payments of $4 a month? Just wondering...
if you don't care for the fee, then don't pay.What, I asked a question... Why are you so defensive?
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
Can you pay in payments of $4 a month? Just wondering...
if you don't care for the fee, then don't pay.What, I asked a question... Why are you so defensive?
how is that defensive? are you talking bout the breakdown from monthly to yearly? honestly, if you can't afford the annual fee, perhaps you shouldn't be gaming in the first place. it is a luxury, not a necessity.[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="clone01"] if you don't care for the fee, then don't pay.clone01
What, I asked a question... Why are you so defensive?
how is that defensive? are you talking bout the breakdown from monthly to yearly? honestly, if you can't afford the annual fee, perhaps you shouldn't be gaming in the first place. it is a luxury, not a necessity.Your being defensive in every way...
I was just asking if you have the possibility of paying monthly...
First I wasin't even quoting you... and second you never gave me an answer and you went on with "if you don't wanna pay, then don't" which has nothing to do with my quesiton.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
What, I asked a question... Why are you so defensive?
how is that defensive? are you talking bout the breakdown from monthly to yearly? honestly, if you can't afford the annual fee, perhaps you shouldn't be gaming in the first place. it is a luxury, not a necessity.Your being defensive in every way...
I was just asking if you have the possibility of paying monthly...
First I wasin't even quoting you... and second you never gave me an answer and you went on with "if you don't wanna pay, then don't" which has nothing to do with my quesiton.
and i said if you can't afford or don't want to pay the fee, then don't pay. what, are you tearing down XBL dwon to a rent to an Aaron's rent to own fee?[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="clone01"] how is that defensive? are you talking bout the breakdown from monthly to yearly? honestly, if you can't afford the annual fee, perhaps you shouldn't be gaming in the first place. it is a luxury, not a necessity.clone01
Your being defensive in every way...
I was just asking if you have the possibility of paying monthly...
First I wasin't even quoting you... and second you never gave me an answer and you went on with "if you don't wanna pay, then don't" which has nothing to do with my quesiton.
and i said if you can't afford or don't want to pay the fee, then don't pay. what, are you tearing down XBL dwon to a rent to an Aaron's rent to own fee?So, I guess i'll take that for no...
Next time, i'll try to pay games monthly...
Really? I thought you said "word" here
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Are you serious. It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word.
So we are free to give words other definitions? Try that in a language class at a college or a school and see how far that gets you. The term "internet service" means access to the internet provided by an ISP or IAP. This is evident when doing a search for internet service as I stated above. The search only pulls up internet providers. It does not pull up a list of messaging or gaming services, such as AIM or Xbox Live. If the term you're defining was accepted by the industries involved, then the search engines would include those services.
This is YOUR definition but that doesn't mean it's correct so define away. Include whatever you want in YOUR definition because it doesn't matter and it doesn't mean anything to anyone except you and the few that continue to use it incorrectly. It certainly doesn't mean anything to the companies that know what it actually means. So you provided a link to a dictionarywebsite. That's not proof because when someone changes the meaning of a word, term or phrase on that website, that does not mean it'll be accepted by any industry standard or educational institution, such as a college or school.
This is going no where. Let's just agree to disagree, because I'm not going to be doing this all week. You're also either not comprehending the entirety of what I type, or just trying manipulate whatever you can get your hands on to appear correct on a subjective issue, because I clearly said "Anyways, if we're going to be this picky about things, it's not even a word itself, I don't know why you'd search google or dictionary.com. It's a "term" made up of two separate words." Though, you just quote the sentence "It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word." to make it seem like I never said that. All I'm going to say is this is not nearly as subjective as you think it is. The reason for that is you can't change the definition of a term, phrase, word or whatever else you want to call it whenever you want and expect the world to agree with you. Let me know what happens when you try changing the definition of something in a classroom, I'm pretty curious about that. Other than that, I'm just as done with this conversation as you are.[QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]This is going no where. Let's just agree to disagree, because I'm not going to be doing this all week. You're also either not comprehending the entirety of what I type, or just trying manipulate whatever you can get your hands on to appear correct on a subjective issue, because I clearly said "Anyways, if we're going to be this picky about things, it's not even a word itself, I don't know why you'd search google or dictionary.com. It's a "term" made up of two separate words." Though, you just quote the sentence "It's how I used the word, and it's the definition I chose to use for the word." to make it seem like I never said that. All I'm going to say is this is not nearly as subjective as you think it is. The reason for that is you can't change the definition of a term, phrase, word or whatever else you want to call it whenever you want and expect the world to agree with you. Let me know what happens when you try changing the definition of something in a classroom, I'm pretty curious about that. Other than that, I'm just as done with this conversation as you are. If you're going to use a different definition for a word that no one knows, you must preset an agreement and understanding so that word can be communicated. You can't tell a guy in China that you want an apple, without ensuring they know what the word "apple" is. There is no one out there to say you can't change a word -- words have been changed for decades, otherwise we wouldn't have the definitions for slang words on dictionary.com. Are slang words not made up? Are any words period not made up? Obama just made the term "Car Czar."So we are free to give words other definitions? Try that in a language class at a college or a school and see how far that gets you. The term "internet service" means access to the internet provided by an ISP or IAP. This is evident when doing a search for internet service as I stated above. The search only pulls up internet providers. It does not pull up a list of messaging or gaming services, such as AIM or Xbox Live. If the term you're defining was accepted by the industries involved, then the search engines would include those services.
This is YOUR definition but that doesn't mean it's correct so define away. Include whatever you want in YOUR definition because it doesn't matter and it doesn't mean anything to anyone except you and the few that continue to use it incorrectly. It certainly doesn't mean anything to the companies that know what it actually means. So you provided a link to a dictionarywebsite. That's not proof because when someone changes the meaning of a word, term or phrase on that website, that does not mean it'll be accepted by any industry standard or educational institution, such as a college or school.
Lance_Kalzas
Language is basically the development of words and definitions that are made up, that people agree upon to use. You can take the English language, redefine all the words, and have all your friends learn the new language. Of course you couldn't use the words in a college paper, the teacher would obviously be asking, "What the hell is this guy doing?" Though, that doesn't mean you can't do it. Since when did college papers dictate the flexibility and concept of languages?
The same idea goes for "time." Time can be changed -- you can make it 4:00 right now if you want to, even though it's not for everyone else. You can then live your world in your own time. It's just going to conflict with the world, since everyone else probably has a different time set. But, who's to say you can't do that? Time is an idea set and changable by us, same with words, and languages. There was a time in our history where the idea of time didn't exist for us humans. There was a moment where the idea was thought out, and implemented. People made agreements on going by the same time, and it went on from there.
Yes, I used a different defintion for the term "Internet Service." You assume I'm the only person who may be using that defintion since you can't find anyone else using it with google -- which I find hilarious. But, what if I am the only person using it? I just used a different defintion, and all you can really do is whine about it -- that's all you can do. You can either accept it, or whine -- but, it's there. I did it. I'm not taking it back -- it's now a term with a definition you're not use to. It exists.
Guess what'd happen if I wrote a book about it, and got millions of people to agree on the defintion? What if I made a dictionary business, and added it myself, and made millions of people start using it -- made millions of people UNDERSTAND my defintion? Understand that "Internet Service" can also mean "service on the internet" therefore making my statements using the term that way make sense to them?
Guess what I did? I just made a term -- and it's real, like it's real now. With two people understanding and agreeing on it -- it's real. With one person alone, it's real. With a million, it's the same ... just real. It exists. Accept it, I told you what it means. I preset the defintion right here on this thread, so it is now most likely a new term, created by me. How can you argue it not existing? I just now made it.
You know what would be a really good idea? A gamers strike; we should get a significant number of hardcore gamers together and all disconnect our consoles ethernet for three days in protest. You know they will respond if we keep doing this every month.
What is three days a month to a lifetime supply of XBL?
Say 2 million people or something all disconnecting for 3 days straight will have some effect.
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Your being defensive in every way...
I was just asking if you have the possibility of paying monthly...
First I wasin't even quoting you... and second you never gave me an answer and you went on with "if you don't wanna pay, then don't" which has nothing to do with my quesiton.
and i said if you can't afford or don't want to pay the fee, then don't pay. what, are you tearing down XBL dwon to a rent to an Aaron's rent to own fee?So, I guess i'll take that for no...
Next time, i'll try to pay games monthly...
again, if one can't afford the service, then one shouldn't buy it. doesn't matter if its monthly or yearly. $50 isn't going to break most people.[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="clone01"] and i said if you can't afford or don't want to pay the fee, then don't pay. what, are you tearing down XBL dwon to a rent to an Aaron's rent to own fee? clone01
So, I guess i'll take that for no...
Next time, i'll try to pay games monthly...
again, if one can't afford the service, then one shouldn't buy it. doesn't matter if its monthly or yearly. $50 isn't going to break most people.But *ALL* people *ARE* being ripped off if they do pay.
Do you pay your car company an additional $50 a year so you can drive on motor ways?
the guy in charge of XBL is a genius, making people believe that PAYING to PLAY a game you already PAID for is 'cool'.
People ALWAYS forget that 'XBOX LIVE' is also on PC, ALL its FEATURES, and EVERYTHING, I repeat the EXACT SAME LIVE on XBOX is the EXACT SAME THING ON PC, yet, initially they wanted to CHARGE PC gamers, but PC gamers as smart as they are, REFUSED to PAY, thats why 'XBOX LIVE' on PC is 100% FREE. yet they still charge 360 players, why because 360 players are willing to pay, so why should they stop.
FACT: if every 360 gamers refuses to PAY for LIVE, MS will make it FREE. but people just cant get enough of Halo and Gears, and MS knows this, thats why MS will forever keep charging 360 gamers for XBL.
Anyone who thinks MS CANT AFFORD to make it FREE, or the FEES the gamers PAY actually help them make it a better service, is either a kid, teen or a complete idiot.
so why is XBL a paid service? because people refuse NOT to pay for it. nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you for reading. please feel free to agree, disagree, flame, ice, shield or whatever.
if ppl did that it would be a.......REVOLUTION!!!![QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
So, I guess i'll take that for no...
Next time, i'll try to pay games monthly...
again, if one can't afford the service, then one shouldn't buy it. doesn't matter if its monthly or yearly. $50 isn't going to break most people.But *ALL* people *ARE* being ripped off if they do pay.
Do you pay your car company an additional $50 a year so you can drive on motor ways?
hahahaha thatd be sum ******* up stuff if u did.But *ALL* people *ARE* being ripped off if they do pay.
Do you pay your car company an additional $50 a year so you can drive on motor ways?
no. but you do pay on some toll roads. if you are so empassioned about this, might i suggest you use a free service like PSN or Steam. sorry, but it just doesn't really bother me that much. it comes down to very little money when taken in the context of gaming in general, which is a fairly expensive hobby.Please Log In to post.
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