Xbox live users please explain because i just don't get it
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]
the honest reason I pay for xbox live...
PSN was hot garbage when the PS3 launched, live was the only decent option... then I bought all my online games and multiplats for the 360 since its where i played online.... now im forced to finish up the lifecycle on live... because it wouldnt be worth the cost and hassle to rebuy all my games for ps3.
But there are also much better online games like halo and gears... which is probably why most folks pay for it... and the service is undeniably still well ahead of PSN. And frankly if i liked halo or gears alot... i would pay the money... i mean over the past 14 years, ive probably been subscribed to a MMO for 10 of them. So im used to paying alot of money to play a single game that i like.
Eltormo
Now this is a true good excuse,as i say 360 owners are trap many just can't move to the PS3 considering how much they have spend on the system,so they have no choice but to pay.
Gears is a laggy hell of host advantageness,it has always been,when i use to play the first one with my friend i could not believe how a game with just 8 players on small places could lag so bad,discconets and had such a terrible host advantage.
You play other shooter on PS3 like warhawk,and you would not probably want to play gears again,32 players,airplanes,tanks,jeeps as well as other land and flying vehicles,on huge stages and smooth as butter.
Warhawk was so good thanks to its servers,that i could even play it on a 256 KB connectiong and would not lag on me.
i actually cant stand gears... i think its a godawful game series. But alot of people seem to love it... so i was more talking about reasons other people might continue to pay for live, not myself. But i guess they also got the message since gears 3 is going to have dedicated servers... i think i played gears 2 online for a whole 10 minutes before i realized it wasnt my cup of tea.
[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]
[QUOTE="Kane04"] o_O? I'm confused... If you say there no value on XBL to justify the annual fee (I agree with you there) and if the PSN does pretty much everything apart from cross game chat (useless IMO). Why do you say XBL is a better experience? I have the original Xbox and never sign up for XBL, cause i never thought it was worth the money, same goes for XBL on 360. But thats just my opinion, i also think PSN + is not worth the money they ask for, plain simple PSN is the way to go and i hope they keep it that way on the PS4.Eltormo
It does everything PSN does, better. Plus has extra things. Things like communicating with friends, the feedback system, party system etc are all things PSN don't have. Hell PSN can't even do friends lists right.
PSN however is free, and imo what Xbox Live offers over PSN does not make up for the amojnt of moneyI pay for it. It's not a lot of money, but it's money. MoneyI could spend elsewhere, as opposed to the bottomless pit that is MS' pockets.
Maybe if they'd discuss exactly WHY they feel their service is so superior that we should pay, i'd consider renewing my Live. I need some convincing MS. I ordered a new PS3 only yesterday.
No.
No Home.
No Youtube upload.
No internet browser.
No living with playstation.
Way less cheaters and screming 14 year olds.
Most games are P2P which tend to lag more and to had more problems like host advantages.
Cleaner and easier interface,much easy to navigate market place.
And the biggest of them all play online free,been able to download from different markets.
This are some of the things i can do on my PS3 that i can't on my 360 and some thing missing on live,where ever people think they are good or not.
Home is much bigger than anything live has to offer including cross game chat.
Home=trash. youtube upload..only if the game supports it. Internet browser that sucks compared to PC browsers, its a game system who needs an internet browser? Living with playstation...isn't that the folding thing? lol who needs it? Less cheaters? untrue, and less screaming 14 year olds? completely untrue. Most games on ps3 are p2p as well. Cleaner interface nope its not easier as well, XMB lags like hell half the time specially when your in a game, NXE is faster, and its easy to navigate and find things. and sorry no the market place on xbox live far better. the fact you keep touting home as something good tells us quite a bit bout listening to your opinion when it comes to xbox live, hows that thing where home was supposed to replace XMB, a whole inclusive game launcher where every one would go to hang out, then start up games and play together? hasn't come together yet has it? Its turned into nothing but a 2nd life clone.
There's artificial value created by Microsoft denying access to a core feature of all your games if you don't pay. Other than that I guess there's some people who find value in party chat and things like that.
Regarding the Kane & Lynch 2 DLC. Perhaps those three maps were designed late in development when it wasn't possible to put them in the game without causing a delay? At some point you have to stop adding things and start making sure everything works.
And then if DLC is developed concurrently with the rest of the game, the argument can be made that if they were not planning on releasing it as DLC, it would not be released at all. Why is Case Zero ok but not Jimmy's Vendetta? It could be argued that one removes the prologue and the other removes the epilogue.
I'm not really playing the devil's advocate here, I'm just asking if there's a way to know for sure with shady DLC like this?
[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]
[QUOTE="Kane04"] o_O? I'm confused... If you say there no value on XBL to justify the annual fee (I agree with you there) and if the PSN does pretty much everything apart from cross game chat (useless IMO). Why do you say XBL is a better experience? I have the original Xbox and never sign up for XBL, cause i never thought it was worth the money, same goes for XBL on 360. But thats just my opinion, i also think PSN + is not worth the money they ask for, plain simple PSN is the way to go and i hope they keep it that way on the PS4.Eltormo
It does everything PSN does, better. Plus has extra things. Things like communicating with friends, the feedback system, party system etc are all things PSN don't have. Hell PSN can't even do friends lists right.
PSN however is free, and imo what Xbox Live offers over PSN does not make up for the amojnt of moneyI pay for it. It's not a lot of money, but it's money. MoneyI could spend elsewhere, as opposed to the bottomless pit that is MS' pockets.
Maybe if they'd discuss exactly WHY they feel their service is so superior that we should pay, i'd consider renewing my Live. I need some convincing MS. I ordered a new PS3 only yesterday.
No.
No Home.
No Youtube upload.
No internet browser.
No living with playstation.
Way less cheaters and screming 14 year olds.
Most games are P2P which tend to lag more and to had more problems like host advantages.
Cleaner and easier interface,much easy to navigate market place.
And the biggest of them all play online free,been able to download from different markets.
This are some of the things i can do on my PS3 that i can't on my 360 and some thing missing on live,where ever people think they are good or not.
Home is much bigger than anything live has to offer including cross game chat.
Really? Do you want me to get into a list with you? Ok
Party system that doesn't need a whole separate app to use. This includes cross-game chat, cross-game invites, and cross-game game launching. It works because it's at the OS level, so is supported by ALL games from launch to present, retail to arcade. That's 3 right there.
Less cheaters on PSN? Unless you have some stats to back that up, I'm going to dismiss that one. Same with the notion that P2P is bad... because you know, PSN is mostly P2P as well.
I also know that XBL admins are much more active and vocal while they're virtually non-existant on PSN. This ranges from the director who's held policy enforcement panels for the past 3 PAXs plus other trade shows in the past. It includes his staff. And it's not just policing the service, it's addressing issues that certain portions of the population are affected by. They've implemented GamerChix for the ladies. They work closely with GLBT groups to help form policy. They work the local and national law enforcement to not only help catch phishers, scammers and stalkers, but to also make sure XBL policies make sense for whatever region of the world.
Then there's the Xbox Ambassador program. Not to mention the Community Developers that work directly with fan sites with their widgets that access XBL data.
Curious thing about the data.... while MS makes it available to anyone and even helps fan sites use it, Sony seems pretty tight with it... to the point of requiring a little manual intervention just to update.
Community events including my personal fave, Community PlayDate that features fan sites in addition to the Game w/ Fame and Game w/ Devs. Speaking fo which.... these things are available on the My Community section of the dash. No need to launch Home and navigate to specific area. No need to launch a separate browser and navigate to the events calendar. That speaks to forethought and integration.
Then there's the connectivity with Xbox.com where I can send receive messages and manage my profile. The friends list reaches into Zune social and MSN Messenger. MS points are even shared between XBL and the Zune marketplace.
You mentioned marketplace content... let's talk about that. XBL has a much larger offering and every single one of the arcade games has acheivements and a demo. There are over 150 current. full retail games available for download.
Sure, PSN features are ok, but not nearly at the level that XBL is. It's thought out better and put together better.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] Home=trash. youtube upload..only if the game supports it. Internet browser that sucks compared to PC browsers, its a game system who needs an internet browser? Living with playstation...isn't that the folding thing? lol who needs it? Less cheaters? untrue, and less screaming 14 year olds? completely untrue. Most games on ps3 are p2p as well. Cleaner interface nope its not easier as well, XMB lags like hell half the time specially when your in a game, NXE is faster, and its easy to navigate and find things. and sorry no the market place on xbox live far better.(...)Kane04Amazing you try passing opinions as facts. Also funny how you try to diminish the PS3 features... but thats what suspensions on gs are for. Who needs cross game chat? Who needs to be talking to people that aren't in the same match as you? These are valid questions IMO. What matters most on an online service: PLAY ONLINE One can argue what features are more useful or not, there's no arguing the most important is actually playing games. PSN does that as good if not better than XBL and its free /thread
PSN as is at $50 a year VS XBLG at $50 a year. Which one are people gonna use more? I'd bet my PS3 that all of a sudden cross game chat, party chat and cross game invites would become cool features and not bashed by PS3 owners.
Of course that's not going to happen so it's irrelevant. lol
I agree, it sucks to pay but XBL is just that much better to a lot of people and worth the extra $$$ per year.
Really? Do you want me to get into a list with you? Ok
Party system that doesn't need a whole separate app to use. This includes cross-game chat, cross-game invites, and cross-game game launching. It works because it's at the OS level, so is supported by ALL games from launch to present, retail to arcade. That's 3 right there.
Less cheaters on PSN? Unless you have some stats to back that up, I'm going to dismiss that one. Same with the notion that P2P is bad... because you know, PSN is mostly P2P as well.
I also know that XBL admins are much more active and vocal while they're virtually non-existant on PSN. This ranges from the director who's held policy enforcement panels for the past 3 PAXs plus other trade shows in the past. It includes his staff. And it's not just policing the service, it's addressing issues that certain portions of the population are affected by. They've implemented GamerChix for the ladies. They work closely with GLBT groups to help form policy. They work the local and national law enforcement to not only help catch phishers, scammers and stalkers, but to also make sure XBL policies make sense for whatever region of the world.
Then there's the Xbox Ambassador program. Not to mention the Community Developers that work directly with fan sites with their widgets that access XBL data.
Curious thing about the data.... while MS makes it available to anyone and even helps fan sites use it, Sony seems pretty tight with it... to the point of requiring a little manual intervention just to update.
Community events including my personal fave, Community PlayDate that features fan sites in addition to the Game w/ Fame and Game w/ Devs. Speaking fo which.... these things are available on the My Community section of the dash. No need to launch Home and navigate to specific area. No need to launch a separate browser and navigate to the events calendar. That speaks to forethought and integration.
Then there's the connectivity with Xbox.com where I can send receive messages and manage my profile. The friends list reaches into Zune social and MSN Messenger. MS points are even shared between XBL and the Zune marketplace.
You mentioned marketplace content... let's talk about that. XBL has a much larger offering and every single one of the arcade games has acheivements and a demo. There are over 150 current. full retail games available for download.
Sure, PSN features are ok, but not nearly at the level that XBL is. It's thought out better and put together better.
VoodooHak
Great post. I usually stop reading and laugh when these threads start and they say the only difference is cross game chat and thats not worth $50 a year. There's just a lot more to it that Cows don't know about because they either don't have a 360 or they never spend any time on the dashboard.
Really? Do you want me to get into a list with you? Ok
Party system that doesn't need a whole separate app to use. This includes cross-game chat, cross-game invites, and cross-game game launching. It works because it's at the OS level, so is supported by ALL games from launch to present, retail to arcade. That's 3 right there.
Less cheaters on PSN? Unless you have some stats to back that up, I'm going to dismiss that one. Same with the notion that P2P is bad... because you know, PSN is mostly P2P as well.
I also know that XBL admins are much more active and vocal while they're virtually non-existant on PSN. This ranges from the director who's held policy enforcement panels for the past 3 PAXs plus other trade shows in the past. It includes his staff. And it's not just policing the service, it's addressing issues that certain portions of the population are affected by. They've implemented GamerChix for the ladies. They work closely with GLBT groups to help form policy. They work the local and national law enforcement to not only help catch phishers, scammers and stalkers, but to also make sure XBL policies make sense for whatever region of the world.
Then there's the Xbox Ambassador program. Not to mention the Community Developers that work directly with fan sites with their widgets that access XBL data.
Curious thing about the data.... while MS makes it available to anyone and even helps fan sites use it, Sony seems pretty tight with it... to the point of requiring a little manual intervention just to update.
Community events including my personal fave, Community PlayDate that features fan sites in addition to the Game w/ Fame and Game w/ Devs. Speaking fo which.... these things are available on the My Community section of the dash. No need to launch Home and navigate to specific area. No need to launch a separate browser and navigate to the events calendar. That speaks to forethought and integration.
Then there's the connectivity with Xbox.com where I can send receive messages and manage my profile. The friends list reaches into Zune social and MSN Messenger. MS points are even shared between XBL and the Zune marketplace.
You mentioned marketplace content... let's talk about that. XBL has a much larger offering and every single one of the arcade games has acheivements and a demo. There are over 150 current. full retail games available for download.
Sure, PSN features are ok, but not nearly at the level that XBL is. It's thought out better and put together better.
VoodooHak
Cross game chat that is and open way for cheaters to cheat,been the number 1 reason why Activision blocked the features in the first place in several modes,because cheating in other games using party chat has been the oerder of the day,there are mods in many FPS where you are not suppose to talk to your team mates once your dead,and with party chat it has been this long continious cheat fest on live using party chat,until activision took a stance.
It has downside as well having party chat.
No all games features cross game launch becase it wasn't build into the OS,but many allow it now,and since not every one is stock on 360 playing 2005 games who really care if all games support it.
lol..
Why don't you bring prove that PSN has more or that P2P is great considering that any game that is P2P is pront to host advantage it has always been like that even on PC for ages is well know and documented on the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYok7jCN7_s&feature=related
MW2 Fuel glitch that video was posted on june 6 2010,by that time the PS3 version of MW2 did not had the Resurgence pack since it was release on July 6,2 days after the resurgence pack was release already that glitch was out for live,i bet you can find and earlier version link of all the glitchest MW2 first for 360.
Not only that there are other cheats bigger ones like the Halo 3 auto aim one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZnI89m56iY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_7ctaNayE
It means nothing that they are more vocal and open dude,if cheater hack the games like they do on Halo 3,cheating is nothing new on live it has been going on since the original xbox,to the point where Halo 2 was the most cheated games on consoles online,that bad it was,a ban wave does basically nothing.
Dude that is nothing compare to Home nice to see you just can visit fansites you see on live,no on Home you can play freeeeeee games,meet with your friend on your own apartment and launch games from it,for a community that is always talking about how important is to have everything in one place,in home you can do allot of stuff,that on 360 are just dreams.
Bigger market for games dah it was release first,so it a given it would have more games to buy,but that is not part of live gold you pay for those games and DLC they are not free,counting them out is silly is like saying well the PS2 was better online because the PS2 had more games infinitly more games that the xbox.
What you just pointed there was more or less your personal preference dude not facts.
Oh one more thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoELnjQABL8
Well going by playing game's on PSN and Xbox live and just general use of each service, I think xbox live is far better
Sony are desperate for a yearly subscription, they tried with the awful and useless PSN+, but next gen PS4 will be pay for onlive gaming.
Supabul
Paying for games>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying for something that should be free..
If PSN+ is 1 million times better than live gold 1 million if not more.
PSN+ = $50 a year to play several games for the course of a year without paying for each game individually and give you discount and other stuff,you may or may get what you invested in the course of a year.
Live gold =$50 (soon $60) a year for allowing you to connect to other 360 gamers to play the mutiplaying part of games,something free on.
PC
PS2
PS3
PSP
DC
GC
Wii
DS
You will never get what you invested here.
By the way i have been hearing about the Sony charging for online play since EA games were exclusively online on PS2,wait until next year and you will see how sony will charge you,then it switched to wait until the PS3 so you can see how they will charge you,latter down the generation sony will charge for online play,and now you saying people will get charge on PS4 i think it will not happen.
[QUOTE="Supabul"]
Well going by playing game's on PSN and Xbox live and just general use of each service, I think xbox live is far better
Sony are desperate for a yearly subscription, they tried with the awful and useless PSN+, but next gen PS4 will be pay for onlive gaming.
Eltormo
By the way i have been hearing about the Sony charging for online play since EA games were exclusively online on PS2,wait until next year and you will see how sony will charge you,then it switched to wait until the PS3 so you can see how they will charge you,latter down the generation sony will charge for online play,and now you saying people will get charge on PS4 i think it will not happen.
now your making stuff up, sony was going to charge for ps2 online? there was never any hint of this and no one ever talked about it. and it was never talked about on the ps3 untill recently when ps+ came out.
I wont even touch on the post above this one, where every thing you said is completely and utterly untrue.
This is the truth - but you'll never get this from lemmings, just a buttload of justification BS.It allows me to play games online....
i5750at4Ghz
Ok I dont know how people can even argue over this one. If you have spent any considerable amount of time on both PSN and XBL, I dont see how one could argue PSN is better. It seems crazy to me. The only point of argument is the subscription fee, which I am happy to pay every year for a far quicker, easier and overall superior experience, both gaming and non-gaming related. Thats not to say I dont play online on my ps3 from time to time but not nearly as much as on my xbox. On a final note, home is utterly unspectacular.
psn id: o_omickeymau5o_o
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Cross game chat that is and open way for cheaters to cheat,been the number 1 reason why Activision blocked the features in the first place in several modes,because cheating in other games using party chat has been the oerder of the day,there are mods in many FPS where you are not suppose to talk to your team mates once your dead,and with party chat it has been this long continious cheat fest on live using party chat,until activision took a stance.
It has downside as well having party chat.
No all games features cross game launch becase it wasn't build into the OS,but many allow it now,and since not every one is stock on 360 playing 2005 games who really care if all games support it.
lol..
Why don't you bring prove that PSN has more or that P2P is great considering that any game that is P2P is pront to host advantage it has always been like that even on PC for ages is well know and documented on the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYok7jCN7_s&feature=related
MW2 Fuel glitch that video was posted on june 6 2010,by that time the PS3 version of MW2 did not had the Resurgence pack since it was release on July 6,2 days after the resurgence pack was release already that glitch was out for live,i bet you can find and earlier version link of all the glitchest MW2 first for 360.
Not only that there are other cheats bigger ones like the Halo 3 auto aim one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZnI89m56iY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_7ctaNayE
It means nothing that they are more vocal and open dude,if cheater hack the games like they do on Halo 3,cheating is nothing new on live it has been going on since the original xbox,to the point where Halo 2 was the most cheated games on consoles online,that bad it was,a ban wave does basically nothing.
Dude that is nothing compare to Home nice to see you just can visit fansites you see on live,no on Home you can play freeeeeee games,meet with your friend on your own apartment and launch games from it,for a community that is always talking about how important is to have everything in one place,in home you can do allot of stuff,that on 360 are just dreams.
Bigger market for games dah it was release first,so it a given it would have more games to buy,but that is not part of live gold you pay for those games and DLC they are not free,counting them out is silly is like saying well the PS2 was better online because the PS2 had more games infinitly more games that the xbox.
What you just pointed there was more or less your personal preference dude not facts.
Oh one more thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoELnjQABL8
Eltormo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3s-lOzbxBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwkToJotC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWYP7vGMalo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbdqoRLPVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVRB2M0Uvh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAFO1B6bcRo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmmZ0Yy9Sh4
The above are examples of PSN hacks and lag. See? I can search youtube as well.
Hacks and lag are everywhere regardless of platform. The difference is that XBL is open about taking action. Since you're crazy about links, here's one: http://forums.xbox.com/1386/ShowForum.aspx.
Not only can I visit fansites. I can play in organized events with those fansites. In fact, I may not have know about a few of them if I didn't use that feature. Home is about as useful as Game Room. You can do alot of stuff in Home, sure. You can also do alot of stuff from the 360 dashboard without having to launch a separate app. That stuff I've already outlined.
Those features are facts. How much value you put on them are definitely preference. Just like everything you pointed out is preference.
I just believe that the information I put out there is more compelling than your information and really calls out how each company approaches online. MS takes a holistic approach to gaming, seeing it as a whole ecosystem that needs to be interconnected. Sony sees it as a list of bulletpoints that can be tacked on, with no real thought about interconnectivity.
The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
lender74
Home and Life With Playstation are dead apps that may as well not exist in terms of how much regular use they get.
PSN+ does offer discounts, but so does LIVE... and you don't have to pay for them.
LIVE has a matching system that rates player skill and puts you with people of a similar skill level. PSN does not.
I've had the same rare occurances of lag with both services.
The reason you see larger ceilings on online games on PSN is because a significantly smaller number of players on PSN have or use headsets. This frees up bandwidth. Since most 360s come with headsets, LIVE is more talkative. It's a quantity vs quality issue, unless you just like silent online matches with lots of players just for the sake of it, LIVE has more teamplay in my experiences.
Honestly, the reason to use LIVE, imo, is ease of use.Do not minimize the significance of party chat, which is a godsend when coordinating groups of friends to play together. Plus, online play is a greater priority for LIVE games, and you can really see this with the big multiplayer 360 titles like Halo 3, ODST etc.whichhave the easiest to use, most robust online feature sets in the industry.
[QUOTE="lender74"]
The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
donalbane
Home and Life With Playstation are dead apps that may as well not exist in terms of how much regular use they get.
PSN+ does offer discounts, but so does LIVE... and you don't have to pay for them.
LIVE has a matching system that rates player skill and puts you with people of a similar skill level. PSN does not.
I've had the same rare occurances of lag with both services.
The reason you see larger ceilings on online games on PSN is because a significantly smaller number of players on PSN have or use headsets. This frees up bandwidth. Since most 360s come with headsets, LIVE is more talkative. It's a quantity vs quality issue, unless you just like silent online matches with lots of players just for the sake of it, LIVE has more teamplay in my experiences.
Honestly, the reason to use LIVE, imo, is ease of use.Do not minimize the significance of party chat, which is a godsend when coordinating groups of friends to play together. Plus, online play is a greater priority for LIVE games, and you can really see this with the big multiplayer 360 titles like Halo 3, ODST etc.whichhave the easiest to use, most robust online feature sets in the industry.
party chat blows, i would pay an extra 10 bucks a year on my subscription for them to get rid of it.
[QUOTE="donalbane"]
[QUOTE="lender74"]
The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
Home and Life With Playstation are dead apps that may as well not exist in terms of how much regular use they get.
PSN+ does offer discounts, but so does LIVE... and you don't have to pay for them.
LIVE has a matching system that rates player skill and puts you with people of a similar skill level. PSN does not.
I've had the same rare occurances of lag with both services.
The reason you see larger ceilings on online games on PSN is because a significantly smaller number of players on PSN have or use headsets. This frees up bandwidth. Since most 360s come with headsets, LIVE is more talkative. It's a quantity vs quality issue, unless you just like silent online matches with lots of players just for the sake of it, LIVE has more teamplay in my experiences.
Honestly, the reason to use LIVE, imo, is ease of use.Do not minimize the significance of party chat, which is a godsend when coordinating groups of friends to play together. Plus, online play is a greater priority for LIVE games, and you can really see this with the big multiplayer 360 titles like Halo 3, ODST etc.whichhave the easiest to use, most robust online feature sets in the industry.
party chat blows, i would pay an extra 10 bucks a year on my subscription for them to get rid of it.
For what reason does party chat 'blow'? If coordinating groups of friends to enter a game doesn't appeal to you, nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you use it, correct? (Just for the record, if anybody held a gun to my head and insisted I used party chat, I'd probably not like the feature either.)
[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]
o_O? I'm confused... If you say there no value on XBL to justify the annual fee (I agree with you there) and if the PSN does pretty much everything apart from cross game chat (useless IMO). Why do you say XBL is a better experience? I have the original Xbox and never sign up for XBL, cause i never thought it was worth the money, same goes for XBL on 360. But thats just my opinion, i also think PSN + is not worth the money they ask for, plain simple PSN is the way to go and i hope they keep it that way on the PS4.Kane04
It does everything PSN does, better. Plus has extra things. Things like communicating with friends, the feedback system, party system etc are all things PSN don't have. Hell PSN can't even do friends lists right.
PSN however is free, and imo what Xbox Live offers over PSN does not make up for the amojnt of moneyI pay for it. It's not a lot of money, but it's money. MoneyI could spend elsewhere, as opposed to the bottomless pit that is MS' pockets.
Maybe if they'd discuss exactly WHY they feel their service is so superior that we should pay, i'd consider renewing my Live. I need some convincing MS. I ordered a new PS3 only yesterday.
No.
No Home.
No Youtube upload.
No internet browser.
No living with playstation.
Way less cheaters and screming 14 year olds.
Most games are P2P which tend to lag more and to had more problems like host advantages.
Cleaner and easier interface,much easy to navigate market place.
And the biggest of them all play online free,been able to download from different markets.
This are some of the things i can do on my PS3 that i can't on my 360 and some thing missing on live,where ever people think they are good or not.
Home is much bigger than anything live has to offer including cross game chat.
there seems to be a lot of personal preference here being passed off as fact.Live could torture them and kidnap all their family and they will still find a excuse to justify paying for it :Pkuraimen
I am not part of that group you refer to as "they" (I assume your talking about lems lol), but i realy dont think the fact that people just thoroughly enjoy playing xbox live and dont mind paying for it is an excuse.
[QUOTE="lender74"]
The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
donalbane
Home and Life With Playstation are dead apps that may as well not exist in terms of how much regular use they get.
PSN+ does offer discounts, but so does LIVE... and you don't have to pay for them.
LIVE has a matching system that rates player skill and puts you with people of a similar skill level. PSN does not.
I've had the same rare occurances of lag with both services.
The reason you see larger ceilings on online games on PSN is because a significantly smaller number of players on PSN have or use headsets. This frees up bandwidth. Since most 360s come with headsets, LIVE is more talkative. It's a quantity vs quality issue, unless you just like silent online matches with lots of players just for the sake of it, LIVE has more teamplay in my experiences.
Honestly, the reason to use LIVE, imo, is ease of use.Do not minimize the significance of party chat, which is a godsend when coordinating groups of friends to play together. Plus, online play is a greater priority for LIVE games, and you can really see this with the big multiplayer 360 titles like Halo 3, ODST etc.whichhave the easiest to use, most robust online feature sets in the industry.
Your opinon not a fact since every time i go into Home there is allot of people dude.
Yeah but PSN+ offer PSN games,PS1 clasics,and PS minis,something live doesn't offer nice you see you omit that,PSN+ is like a rental with some free stuff that would other wise cost you 2 or 3 dollars,alone with game discounts,live is just and utter rip off.
Many PS3 games had matchmaking dude what are you talking about,also matchmaking sucks,more PS3 games support server than live ones and we all know dedicated servers >>>> P2P any day of the year,for once there is not host advantage stronly present on live P2P games,games don't drop if the host is gone and the game don't pause either ala MW2.
I am spoiled by playing games like Resistance 20 vs 20 wightout any lag,only to jump on gears 4 vs 4 and found horrible lag,host advantage and disconnects.
In fact many also complain about live lakc of team works in games,yeah you can tank party chat for that,since you are on a party with several of your friend who are playing different games,matchest were completely silent,there was little team work,not only that party chat open another window the one of cheating.
Is of use how can PSN be more easy,hook up your PS3 to a wired or wireless connection and hit sign in,hell you can even put it to do it it self,navigation is easy on both XMB and market.
http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-phoenix/xbox-party-chat-is-ruining-online-games
http://www.gamegrep.com/blog/20531-is_the_xbox_360_party_chat_ruining_your_xbox_live_experience/
http://www.bingegamer.net/2008/xbox-360s-party-chat-is-the-downfall-of-gaming/
Party chat is not god gift to gamers,it more of a ban free way of cheating,if you played Gears 2 there is a big chance that you loose a game thanks to some one who was telling a friend where you were hiding.
Not only that some games need coperation in order for you to win,since you are talking to other friends out side the game your playing how are they suppose to communicate with you.?
Read those link on party chat i put there,in special the last one so you can see for your self that party chat is not gods gift to gamers,and more of a ban free way of cheating and ruining games.
[QUOTE="donalbane"]
[QUOTE="lender74"]
The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
Home and Life With Playstation are dead apps that may as well not exist in terms of how much regular use they get.
PSN+ does offer discounts, but so does LIVE... and you don't have to pay for them.
LIVE has a matching system that rates player skill and puts you with people of a similar skill level. PSN does not.
I've had the same rare occurances of lag with both services.
The reason you see larger ceilings on online games on PSN is because a significantly smaller number of players on PSN have or use headsets. This frees up bandwidth. Since most 360s come with headsets, LIVE is more talkative. It's a quantity vs quality issue, unless you just like silent online matches with lots of players just for the sake of it, LIVE has more teamplay in my experiences.
Honestly, the reason to use LIVE, imo, is ease of use.Do not minimize the significance of party chat, which is a godsend when coordinating groups of friends to play together. Plus, online play is a greater priority for LIVE games, and you can really see this with the big multiplayer 360 titles like Halo 3, ODST etc.whichhave the easiest to use, most robust online feature sets in the industry.
Your opinon not a fact since every time i go into Home there is allot of people dude.
Yeah but PSN+ offer PSN games,PS1 clasics,and PS minis,something live doesn't offer nice you see you omit that,PSN+ is like a rental with some free stuff that would other wise cost you 2 or 3 dollars,alone with game discounts,live is just and utter rip off.
Many PS3 games had matchmaking dude what are you talking about,also matchmaking sucks,more PS3 games support server than live ones and we all know dedicated servers >>>> P2P any day of the year,for once there is not host advantage stronly present on live P2P games,games don't drop if the host is gone and the game don't pause either ala MW2.
I am spoiled by playing games like Resistance 20 vs 20 wightout any lag,only to jump on gears 4 vs 4 and found horrible lag,host advantage and disconnects.
In fact many also complain about live lakc of team works in games,yeah you can tank party chat for that,since you are on a party with several of your friend who are playing different games,matchest were completely silent,there was little team work,not only that party chat open another window the one of cheating.
Is of use how can PSN be more easy,hook up your PS3 to a wired or wireless connection and hit sign in,hell you can even put it to do it it self,navigation is easy on both XMB and market.
http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-phoenix/xbox-party-chat-is-ruining-online-games
http://www.gamegrep.com/blog/20531-is_the_xbox_360_party_chat_ruining_your_xbox_live_experience/
http://www.bingegamer.net/2008/xbox-360s-party-chat-is-the-downfall-of-gaming/
Party chat is not god gift to gamers,it more of a ban free way of cheating,if you played Gears 2 there is a big chance that you loose a game thanks to some one who was telling a friend where you were hiding.
Not only that some games need coperation in order for you to win,since you are talking to other friends out side the game your playing how are they suppose to communicate with you.?
Read those link on party chat i put there,in special the last one so you can see for your self that party chat is not gods gift to gamers,and more of a ban free way of cheating and ruining games.
The minority of people that embrace Home sure are vocal. And if you are going to be so critical of opinions, mind your own.For what reason does party chat 'blow'? If coordinating groups of friends to enter a game doesn't appeal to you, nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you use it, correct? (Just for the record, if anybody held a gun to my head and insisted I used party chat, I'd probably not like the feature either.)donalbane
http://www.bingegamer.net/2008/xbox-360s-party-chat-is-the-downfall-of-gaming/
For this one heavy cheating and lack of team work,hell many of those who complain actually say that MS should do a patch to ban party chat from raked games,i remember in the old days how xbox fans would pull the vioce chat in all games,as defence quoting how great it was to talk to team mates and make stratgies to win,now those days are gone,because now 360 fans talk to people who are not on the same game,there is lack of communication,and worst cheating done by people who die and are not suppose to talk to team mates but they are allowed thanks to the use of party chat.
The minority of people that embrace Home sure are vocal. And if you are going to be so critical of opinions, mind your own.donalbane
The same minority who cares for party chat on PS3,what 26,000 out of a user base of millions,party chat as of now is like friend list back on 2002,always bring as defence but as soon as sony make a a universal friend list no one even mention friend list any more.
where do you even start with stuff like this?The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
lender74
home?
all they see is cross game chat?
mag?
xbl cards being $40 on amazon?
if you are just trying to justify your hate with any old reasons then i really don't know what to tell you.
oh wait i do, why do i have to justify what i do with my money to you? is it ok if i get a tank of gas for my car? a water filter for my fridge? how much my mortgage is?
really where does it stop?
if you don't see value in something don't buy it.
[QUOTE="donalbane"] For what reason does party chat 'blow'? If coordinating groups of friends to enter a game doesn't appeal to you, nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you use it, correct? (Just for the record, if anybody held a gun to my head and insisted I used party chat, I'd probably not like the feature either.)Eltormo
http://www.bingegamer.net/2008/xbox-360s-party-chat-is-the-downfall-of-gaming/
For this one heavy cheating and lack of team work,hell many of those who complain actually say that MS should do a patch to ban party chat from raked games,i remember in the old days how xbox fans would pull the vioce chat in all games,as defence quoting how great it was to talk to team mates and make stratgies to win,now those days are gone,because now 360 fans talk to people who are not on the same game,there is lack of communication,and worst cheating done by people who die and are not suppose to talk to team mates but they are allowed thanks to the use of party chat.
Since you're so big on the stat 26k users out of millions are dismissable.
Ok... so then articles from 4 game blogs out of how many games new sites/blogs? Just sayin'.
Besides, go back and read the comments on those articles you posted. Many, especially the ones from BingeGamer, are against the author's criticisms:
So thanks, ElTormo, for strengthening the position that party chat has value and that people want it.
[QUOTE="donalbane"] For what reason does party chat 'blow'? If coordinating groups of friends to enter a game doesn't appeal to you, nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you use it, correct? (Just for the record, if anybody held a gun to my head and insisted I used party chat, I'd probably not like the feature either.)Eltormo
http://www.bingegamer.net/2008/xbox-360s-party-chat-is-the-downfall-of-gaming/
For this one heavy cheating and lack of team work,hell many of those who complain actually say that MS should do a patch to ban party chat from raked games,i remember in the old days how xbox fans would pull the vioce chat in all games,as defence quoting how great it was to talk to team mates and make stratgies to win,now those days are gone,because now 360 fans talk to people who are not on the same game,there is lack of communication,and worst cheating done by people who die and are not suppose to talk to team mates but they are allowed thanks to the use of party chat.
If somebody uses a photocopier to counterfit money, you don't blame Xerox... it's the individuals who are to blame. Similarly, until someone invents a d-bag screening system for multiplayer communities, there will always be people looking to find loopholes and grief in games. But simply because a tool can be abused, it doesn't mean the tool itself is inherently bad. It means there are always a-holes. Personally, I've never used party chat to cheat, nor have I ever suspected I've been the victim of such foul play, but if I did, I would submit negative feedback, put the players on my list of players to avoid in the future (another swell feature LIVE users enjoy), and join another match. I would not, as you have done, throw the baby out with the bathwater. Lots of things are great but can be abused. Automobiles and fire are two great examples of this.IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war)
lender74
What does larger scope have to do with anything?
Halo and Gears are actually great games so I'd rather take those over Resistance (the first one wasn't bad, R2 made me throw up) Killzone (great game) and MAG (atrocity. Why even mention this? I thought this was a joke post once you included this garbage)
PS Home is also useless. Name features that matter and people would care about. If you want to name useless features someone could list the parental features offered on Live which allows you to set the console to shut off after a certain time limit.
[QUOTE="clone01"] there seems to be a lot of personal preference here being passed off as fact.Eltormo
Really where.?
Live doesn haveLife with playstation,Home,internet browser,youtube upload.
It has more screaming 14 years old,remember that no one owns a headset on PS3 remember that is what all 36o fans say,it has more chearters,do to been completely hack the xbox 360,but also because the nature of the user base,Halo 2 was full of cheaters,Halo 3 has cheaters and pretty much any exploit for MW2 was done first on 360.
So where is my personal preference.?
I think you need to stop quoting me,i know i made you look bad by proving that i own a 360,but you should let it go,man you quote me on almost anything i say.
i quote you on everything you say because i disagree with almost all of it. 1. please find me some definitive data that proves "there's more screaming 14 year olds." 2. home is better than cross game chat? sorry, that's personal preference. 3. halo 3 and mw 2 cheating on the 360? do you have any data beyond a youtube video? this is an open forum, and i can quote whoever i want if i'm following the terms of use. and no, i still don't believe you own a 360, for the record. why would anyone actually purchase something that they hate that much?If somebody uses a photocopier to counterfit money, you don't blame Xerox... it's the individuals who are to blame. Similarly, until someone invents a d-bag screening system for multiplayer communities, there will always be people looking to find loopholes and grief in games. But simply because a tool can be abused, it doesn't mean the tool itself is inherently bad. It means there are always a-holes. Personally, I've never used party chat to cheat, nor have I ever suspected I've been the victim of such foul play, but if I did, I would submit negative feedback, put the players on my list of players to avoid in the future (another swell feature LIVE users enjoy), and join another match. I would not, as you have done, throw the baby out with the bathwater. Lots of things are great but can be abused. Automobiles and fire are two great examples of this. donalbaneas an interesting aside, the latest major nelson podcast was a conference from PAX with the team that handles discipline over XBL. pretty interesting listen, actually.
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now your making stuff up, sony was going to charge for ps2 online? there was never any hint of this and no one ever talked about it. and it was never talked about on the ps3 untill recently when ps+ came out.
I wont even touch on the post above this one, where every thing you said is completely and utterly untrue.
Eltormo
No i am actually talking about fan boys who like broken record had been saying for years that Sony will charge,on some of the forums i use to post many were the ones who say sony would charge for online play on PS2 when EA games were only online on PS2.
Yeah what i say is so untrue that i even post links.lol
every thing you said is untrue, as in there are no ps3 hacks, thereare less ps3 hacks....ect and no one on system wars in the ps2 generation ever said it was gonna be charge for your making stuff up.Edit: why do you keep mentioning ps+? Could it be because without it psn it self is that much weaker against xbox live, but then again with it its still completely weak compared.
Ok we get it...you don't get why Live players pay for Gold...ok, so stop making topics about it and go play on PSN while it's still free. Why do you care what Xbox players spend their money on? If they find enough value in Gold that they are willing to pay between $2.50 and $5 a month for a service then it's their right to pay it.
I pay to play with friends, XBLA.
I..dont know what to tell you. Yea, it has party chat. I also need to pay to play online with people I know. Its really that simple.
Lukily I have a brother who plays online and pays for Xbl
I personly would never pay for such a terrible service.
[QUOTE="markinthedark"][QUOTE="donalbane"]
Home and Life With Playstation are dead apps that may as well not exist in terms of how much regular use they get.
PSN+ does offer discounts, but so does LIVE... and you don't have to pay for them.
LIVE has a matching system that rates player skill and puts you with people of a similar skill level. PSN does not.
I've had the same rare occurances of lag with both services.
The reason you see larger ceilings on online games on PSN is because a significantly smaller number of players on PSN have or use headsets. This frees up bandwidth. Since most 360s come with headsets, LIVE is more talkative. It's a quantity vs quality issue, unless you just like silent online matches with lots of players just for the sake of it, LIVE has more teamplay in my experiences.
Honestly, the reason to use LIVE, imo, is ease of use.Do not minimize the significance of party chat, which is a godsend when coordinating groups of friends to play together. Plus, online play is a greater priority for LIVE games, and you can really see this with the big multiplayer 360 titles like Halo 3, ODST etc.whichhave the easiest to use, most robust online feature sets in the industry.
donalbane
party chat blows, i would pay an extra 10 bucks a year on my subscription for them to get rid of it.
For what reason does party chat 'blow'? If coordinating groups of friends to enter a game doesn't appeal to you, nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you use it, correct? (Just for the record, if anybody held a gun to my head and insisted I used party chat, I'd probably not like the feature either.)See you mentioned the one positive, but unfortunately it doesnt outweigh the negatives.
I hate joining a multiplayer game and hearing nothing but silence. Pre party chat you used to be able to talk to the team you were playing with, or just bs with everyone, it felt like you were part of an online community... now it just feels like im playing with a bunch of bots. Everyone is off in some random party chat... even when they arent talking to each other and arent playing with each other. I always decline party chat requests, because i dont want to chat about my day with someone playing a completely different game... i find it distracting and annoying to have to concentrate on the game im playing and trying to hold a conversation with someone about something entirely unrelated to the game.
its a stupid feature that sort of killed the character of the online community imo. And yea part of that charm is 12 year old kids screaming racial slurs... it seemed annoying at the time, but now i miss it a little :cry:
The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.
PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.
PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.
Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)
IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).
Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.
Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.
see i always hate these because i feel like im trying to convice you to buy something that you already have it in your mind isnt worth the purchase. i own both, obviously, but i just feel like online experience on the xbox is a more robust and community oriented experience and dont give me that "but the psn has HOme" crap...thats the biggest waste of a sorry excuse for a community on any of the consoles. ive listed my reasons before and i dont feel like doing it again but if you like what you like then so be it but you tell me why i should waste my time convincing you otherwise?Please Log In to post.
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