Xbox live users please explain because i just don't get it

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] No you don't pay 1.15$ a week, you pay 60bones or not, simple as that. edo-tensei

The problem was lint in the ps2? and sony settled out of court over it? wow...Do Lawyers that work for Sony just naturally suck or something?

WilliamRLBaker

Sony has settle its disc read error lawsuit.

From your own link,like i say they were force to fix it and the problem was a disc read error cause by problems with the PS2 laser lent,which by the way the original xbox also suffer dude,and it wasn't even close to the RROD fiasco of MS and it did not sertainly cost Sony 1 billion dollars to fix and who knows if more.

In fact the xbox 360 also had disc read errors as well as the PS3 it happen to pretty much anything that is disc based.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] if you were to save 1.15 cents a week you would end up with 60 bones...WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

The problem was lint in the ps2? and sony settled out of court over it? wow...Do Lawyers that work for Sony just naturally suck or something?

Sony has settle its disc read error lawsuit.

From your own link,like i say they were force to fix it and the problem was a disc read error cause by problems with the PS2 laser lent,which by the way the original xbox also suffer dude,and it wasn't even close to the RROD fiasco of MS and it did not sertainly cost Sony 1 billion dollars to fix and who knows if more.

In fact the xbox 360 also had disc read errors as well as the PS3 it happen to pretty much anything that is disc based.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

The problem was lint in the ps2? and sony settled out of court over it? wow...Do Lawyers that work for Sony just naturally suck or something?

clone01

Sony has settle its disc read error lawsuit.

From your own link,like i say they were force to fix it and the problem was a disc read error cause by problems with the PS2 laser lent,which by the way the original xbox also suffer dude,and it wasn't even close to the RROD fiasco of MS and it did not sertainly cost Sony 1 billion dollars to fix and who knows if more.

In fact the xbox 360 also had disc read errors as well as the PS3 it happen to pretty much anything that is disc based.

another fanboy that won't provide you with a gamertag? they're the worst kind, pretending to have consoles.

otherwise, he's afraid of being found out for ban-dodging. I think it's a mix of the two. ban-dodger who pretends to have a 360.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

The problem was lint in the ps2? and sony settled out of court over it? wow...Do Lawyers that work for Sony just naturally suck or something?

Eltormo

Sony has settle its disc read error lawsuit.

From your own link,like i say they were force to fix it and the problem was a disc read error cause by problems with the PS2 laser lent,which by the way the original xbox also suffer dude,and it wasn't even close to the RROD fiasco of MS and it did not sertainly cost Sony 1 billion dollars to fix and who knows if more.

In fact the xbox 360 also had disc read errors as well as the PS3 it happen to pretty much anything that is disc based.

That's XBL, the free portion has all those things except online play and party chat? And the PC version of XBL is free. As much as you defend the tag because XBL is well implemented, the fact is the price tag is being unfailry charged in it's current model. online play should be free, they could charge for the extras. And now you'll say "but that way noone would pay!" Well that's exactly why people protest. ArtisTool

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] For xbox only owners yes. Though that's kind of sad actually lol.edo-tensei

They only find it better because they a) bought an xbox and b) pay for live. Everyone else including Valve knows its nothing special

They only find it better because they a) bought an xbox and b) pay for live. Everyone else including Valve knows its nothing special

EdenProxy

Even though I will likely get suspended or atleast moderated for this, I simply don't care. I'm sick of you saying the ps3 is unhackable, there were never any hacks on the ps3 version and only ever glitches.

the ps3 version as you say of MW2 is unhackable, unmodifiable...ect
Go to youtube.com

search Modern warefare 2 ps3 hacks

first entry is spec ops hack on ps3. posted 9 months ago
2nd is super sprint. posted 3 months ago
3rd is prestige hack. posted 8 months ago

all of them maintain that you hack saved files from your ps3...I.E hacking the ps3. So yes. the ps3 version of MW2 is hackable, I.E running unsigned hacked save files and other things to get affects in games such as super sprint, high jump, laser sight on your weapons...ect

WilliamRLBaker

First of i am not always saying that the PS3 is unhackeable nor i say it was unhackable i say it did not happen.

In fact all of the PS3 MW2 glitch were first done on 360 since in both version the bugs work,in fact the Fuel stage exploit that people can hide on a rock was done on 360 just 2 days after the maps were release,how would i know this.? because there is a video on youtube about the hack posted on June 6,on PS3 the maps did not came out until july a month latter dude.

Also there is a gamescore and gamercard hack on 360 as well,not to mention that the 10 prestige hack was also on 360 and still is after the last patch.

Also that speed hack is you actually saw it affect all players,so unlike Halo 3 auto aim which just the hackers has,on PS3 every one that loby will have super speed so no one really has an advangate over another person,and those are also found on the 360 version dude.

keep 5 things in mind:
1.infinite ammo
2.flaming recon
3.fast reload (watch how ammo auto reloads when not using)
4.time never skips or stops(usually happens when you lag)
5.caboose and I are on two different systems(thats two different videos in this video showing that neither of use were lagging)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfQNoMQJAsY

I just leave it at that.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

They only find it better because they a) bought an xbox and b) pay for live. Everyone else including Valve knows its nothing special

ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

They only find it better because they a) bought an xbox and b) pay for live. Everyone else including Valve knows its nothing special

EdenProxy

So in other words: no, they were not speaking from a gaming point of view.

thank you for admitting you were wrong

No one's saying hacks are non-existant on the 360. They exist everywhere.

Except that XBL admins have been pretty vocal and transparent about handing out suspensions and bans to those that they've caught. They're out there letting people know they're watching them.

PSN admins seem pretty silent.

Case in point, MW2's javelin hack. XBL's policy enforcement boss came right out and said they're punishing people they catch. PSN on the other hand, not so much. That's pretty indicative of how each treats cheaters and hackers.

lol um no it doesn't say it was a disc read error in my link, they said disc read error lawsuit. no comment about the nature of the problem is made in the link, and there were 6 unique problems that affected the ps2's dvd rom, not just the laser lent. doesn't change the fact that they never fixed the issue, and had to settle out of court. *ta da disc read errors existed up till after the slim model*WilliamRLBaker

Your PS2 is having trouble reading discs for one of two reasons.  Either the  lens is filled with dust, or the amount of voltage going to the laser isn't  balanced.  However, repairing these problems can often cost either money or  time, sometimes both.  That's why I recommend you starting with the "Quick  Fixes for Disc Read Errors" section before anything else.  These usually will  not fix your machine to the perfect working order that it was when you  purchased it, but the Quick Fixes take almost no time and no money.

http://faqs.ign.com/articles/387/387912p1.html

That was the problem the PS2 had and you could even fix it your self,people would just send it to sony because they did not know,even that is sony's fault not balancing 
well the lents dude,every one knows by now but you,(if you are not pretending) that the PS2 problem was a lent problem,much like every one knows that the PS1 problem
was over heating and causing FMV's to skeep.

But the xbox also had this problem as well as the PS3 and 360,and the xbox 360 even scratched disc.  

No one's saying hacks are non-existant on the 360. They exist everywhere.

Except that XBL admins have been pretty vocal and transparent about handing out suspensions and bans to those that they've caught. They're out there letting people know they're watching them.

PSN admins seem pretty silent.

Case in point, MW2's javelin hack. XBL's policy enforcement boss came right out and said they're punishing people they catch. PSN on the other hand, not so much. That's pretty indicative of how each treats cheaters and hackers.

VoodooHak

The Javalin hack was fixed by Activision which is the one resposible for the game on PSN,it desont' matter if they say it out loud every where still happening and the cheaters don't care,hell i hear a rumor about pirates unbanin their banned units,which would be like the last insult if MS can't stop them.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] lol um no it doesn't say it was a disc read error in my link, they said disc read error lawsuit. no comment about the nature of the problem is made in the link, and there were 6 unique problems that affected the ps2's dvd rom, not just the laser lent. doesn't change the fact that they never fixed the issue, and had to settle out of court. *ta da disc read errors existed up till after the slim model*Eltormo

Your PS2 is having trouble reading discs for one of two reasons.  Either the  lens is filled with dust, or the amount of voltage going to the laser isn't  balanced.  However, repairing these problems can often cost either money or  time, sometimes both.  That's why I recommend you starting with the "Quick  Fixes for Disc Read Errors" section before anything else.  These usually will  not fix your machine to the perfect working order that it was when you  purchased it, but the Quick Fixes take almost no time and no money.

http://faqs.ign.com/articles/387/387912p1.html

That was the problem the PS2 had and you could even fix it your self,people would just send it to sony because they did not know,even that is sony's fault not balancing 
well the lents dude,every one knows by now but you,(if you are not pretending) that the PS2 problem was a lent problem,much like every one knows that the PS1 problem
was over heating and causing FMV's to skeep.

But the xbox also had this problem as well as the PS3 and 360,and the xbox 360 even scratched disc.  

so people haven't fixed their own 360s before either?

I'm sorry, but these court cases happen when the problem was very large. I mean...I don't know....it must not have been a big deal with a Governmental entity stepped in to require Sony to fix DRE'd PS2s for people. oh right:lol: great logic.

as for self-fixes, sure, and there's guides on Youtube for these Xbox 360 problems too, so that must mean 'there is no problem' correct? wrong. it's still a big problem as was the PS2. maybe not as big as 360, I can agree with that. but it was BIG ENOUGH to CAUSE said GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY TO STEP IN.

THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE XBOX 360's EARLY HISTORY AT ALL:lol:

please accept the facts, Sony tried avoiding their own screw-up just as MS had this generation. it can't be refuted, and it's all on paper.

and it happened to my PS2. so you'd be BS'ing the wrong person;)

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

They only find it better because they a) bought an xbox and b) pay for live. Everyone else including Valve knows its nothing special

EdenProxy

and that has nothing to do with the topic people are discussing here.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

No one's saying hacks are non-existant on the 360. They exist everywhere.

Except that XBL admins have been pretty vocal and transparent about handing out suspensions and bans to those that they've caught. They're out there letting people know they're watching them.

PSN admins seem pretty silent.

Case in point, MW2's javelin hack. XBL's policy enforcement boss came right out and said they're punishing people they catch. PSN on the other hand, not so much. That's pretty indicative of how each treats cheaters and hackers.

Eltormo

The Javalin hack was fixed by Activision which is the one resposible for the game on PSN,it desont' matter if they say it out loud every where still happening and the cheaters don't care,hell i hear a rumor about pirates unbanin their banned units,which would be like the last insult if MS can't stop them.

Rumor? Really? Unsubstantiated, unverifiable rumor? Is that what you're resorting to now.

And yes, Activition/MW were responsible for fixing the glitch. As they should be be. The difference here is that one service chose to do something above and beyond what was expected. The other did nothing.

Where one is providing a service, the other is a lack of service.

[QUOTE="VladJasonDrac"]

I lieke to think of it as extortion or blackmail myself :)

shinrabanshou

:P

Rumor? Really? Unsubstantiated, unverifiable rumor? Is that what you're resorting to now.

And yes, Activition/MW were responsible for fixing the glitch. As they should be be. The difference here is that one service chose to do something above and beyond what was expected. The other did nothing.

Where one is providing a service, the other is a lack of service.

VoodooHak

You know what is not a rumor,why don't you google it i would not sertainly post a link to such sites here,but if very easy to google.

Yes and that stopped live cheater right.? oh wait no it did not,not one is ripping people off and the other is giving player online play wihtout excuses to charge for it.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] lol um no it doesn't say it was a disc read error in my link, they said disc read error lawsuit. no comment about the nature of the problem is made in the link, and there were 6 unique problems that affected the ps2's dvd rom, not just the laser lent. doesn't change the fact that they never fixed the issue, and had to settle out of court. *ta da disc read errors existed up till after the slim model*Eltormo

Your PS2 is having trouble reading discs for one of two reasons.  Either the  lens is filled with dust, or the amount of voltage going to the laser isn't  balanced.  However, repairing these problems can often cost either money or  time, sometimes both.  That's why I recommend you starting with the "Quick  Fixes for Disc Read Errors" section before anything else.  These usually will  not fix your machine to the perfect working order that it was when you  purchased it, but the Quick Fixes take almost no time and no money.

http://faqs.ign.com/articles/387/387912p1.html

That was the problem the PS2 had and you could even fix it your self,people would just send it to sony because they did not know,even that is sony's fault not balancing 
well the lents dude,every one knows by now but you,(if you are not pretending) that the PS2 problem was a lent problem,much like every one knows that the PS1 problem
was over heating and causing FMV's to skeep.

But the xbox also had this problem as well as the PS3 and 360,and the xbox 360 even scratched disc.  

:lol:

PlayStation 2 Disc Read Error FAQ  By LordAtomic

by a user...not any one official.

I'd like for someone to explain why these questions keep getting asked about Xbox Live. Get over it already...sheesh.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

No one's saying hacks are non-existant on the 360. They exist everywhere.

Except that XBL admins have been pretty vocal and transparent about handing out suspensions and bans to those that they've caught. They're out there letting people know they're watching them.

PSN admins seem pretty silent.

Case in point, MW2's javelin hack. XBL's policy enforcement boss came right out and said they're punishing people they catch. PSN on the other hand, not so much. That's pretty indicative of how each treats cheaters and hackers.

Eltormo

The Javalin hack was fixed by Activision which is the one resposible for the game on PSN,it desont' matter if they say it out loud every where still happening and the cheaters don't care,hell i hear a rumor about pirates unbanin their banned units,which would be like the last insult if MS can't stop them.

:lol: what really?! its by activision the one responsible for it on psn...the one resposible for Modern warefare 2 is its publisher and owner of its creator IW....who is responsible for the 360 version? magical fairies? and not Activision the owner of IW whom made the game, and whom published it on the 360?

*shakes head*

Of course you hear a rumor that hackers some how hack xbox live it self and unban their gamertags and consoles. What next you hear a rumor that all ps3 games are in reality dedicated server? changing the rules every time someone proves you wrong....hmmmm

First it was Ps3 games are never hacked, MW2 ps3 was never hacked, then when your given proof, but I never said that then all of a sudden its but the hacks were created on the 360 first.
Actually your wrong thy were created on the PC first then imported over to the 360 and ps3.
You've all ready been proven dead wrong in your statements that Ps3 mw2 is unhackable which is EXACTLY what you claimed. Proof of youtube videos showing the ps3 version of MW2 with prestige hacks, speed, infinite ammo, super jump...ect

Ps3 games are just as vulnrable as 360 games when it comes to willingness of hackers to hack them, this is a fact, the only thing that hinders this is dedicated servers, and TADA the majority of games on ps3 are p2p *hates that term its client server model not p2p*

*hates that term its client server model not p2p*

WilliamRLBaker

"Dedicated server" games are entirely client/server; there is no peer-to-peer component there, and the server runs on its own machine, separate from any client machines.

Most so-called "peer to peer" games are actually client/server, it's just that the server runs on the same box as one of the clients.

The only feature xbox live has other psn IMO is cross game chat and party chat.

PSN has more apps than xbox live such as home and life with playstation.

PSN plus offers discounts and exclusives beta for $50 a yearand demos and all i see on XBL is online play and cross game chat? (every other platform even thepsp and dsdoesn't force their users to pay for online play) for $60.

Some online ps3 games offer dedicated servers and xbox live uses P2P(If the host lag everyone lags it doesn't matter about your connection)

IMO online ps3 exclusive shooters(Resistance,killzone, MAG)offer a larger scope than exclusive xbox shooters(halo gears of war).

Please explain to me im not trying to troll i own a xbox 360 myself but i see no value to pay $60 a year for xbox live. I love playing on PSN and its one of my best online experiences apart from the PC.

Please explain to me the value of xbox live and i might even consider it.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*hates that term its client server model not p2p*

UnnDunn

"Dedicated server" games are entirely client/server; there is no peer-to-peer component there, and the server runs on its own machine, separate from any client machines.

Most so-called "peer to peer" games are actually client/server, it's just that the server runs on the same box as one of the clients.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*hates that term its client server model not p2p*

WilliamRLBaker

"Dedicated server" games are entirely client/server; there is no peer-to-peer component there, and the server runs on its own machine, separate from any client machines.

Most so-called "peer to peer" games are actually client/server, it's just that the server runs on the same box as one of the clients.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Rumor? Really? Unsubstantiated, unverifiable rumor? Is that what you're resorting to now.

And yes, Activition/MW were responsible for fixing the glitch. As they should be be. The difference here is that one service chose to do something above and beyond what was expected. The other did nothing.

Where one is providing a service, the other is a lack of service.

Eltormo

You know what is not a rumor,why don't you google it i would not sertainly post a link to such sites here,but if very easy to google.

Yes and that stopped live cheater right.? oh wait no it did not,not one is ripping people off and the other is giving player online play wihtout excuses to charge for it.

Good for you. Now we know both consoles are hackable.

MS knows they won't stop all cheaters. Welcome to the internet. But they will punish those who are caught. What is PSN doing other than updating their firmware? Are they talking to the community about it? Are they laying down suspension for people caught? Have they publicly addressed the issue other than releasing the firmware?

Again... one is interfacing directly with the community. One went beyond what the other is doing. That's the differentiator here.

oh wait no it did not,not one is ripping people off and the other is giving player online play wihtout excuses to charge for it.

Eltormo

while you might feel that XBL gold is a ripoff, others feel it is a worthwhile service. people like myself, and quite a few others. what i don't understand here is why you would keep coming back to MS is you indeed despise them that much.

I don't get it either. I buy all my online multiplayer games for PC cos I don't want to pay for Live.

I don't get it either. I buy all my online multiplayer games for PC cos I don't want to pay for Live.

Installing

[QUOTE="Installing"]

I don't get it either. I buy all my online multiplayer games for PC cos I don't want to pay for Live.

clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Installing"]

I don't get it either. I buy all my online multiplayer games for PC cos I don't want to pay for Live.

ArtisTool

The only think i like more about XBL is that they are better compared to ps3 on multiplats. Other than that its almost the same thing.

PC>Both b.c they gots steam and its free! Also teh better graphics like grass for mafia 2 + physx, just saying.