Xbox live users please explain because i just don't get it

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

Sony would never dream about charging is fanbase a fee to use PSN. they have too much RESPECT for its loyal customers. MS need to learn the value of this

Eltormo

The problems the PS2 had was a lent problem which they were force to fix,and it wasn't even close to high as the RROD was,by the way the original xbox also had lents problems every ones knows the thomsom driver were utter crap,not only that the xbxo dvd drive scratched disc as well as the 360,and the AC core was replace because it could cause fires.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

Sony would never dream about charging is fanbase a fee to use PSN. they have too much RESPECT for its loyal customers. MS need to learn the value of this

Eltormo

The problems the PS2 had was a lent problem which they were force to fix,and it wasn't even close to high as the RROD was,by the way the original xbox also had lents problems every ones knows the thomsom driver were utter crap,not only that the xbxo dvd drive scratched disc as well as the 360,and the AC core was replace because it could cause fires.

You mean things like cross game invites? A party system? Cross game chat? All of which work through ALL games from launch, whether retail or arcade. How about a policy enforcement team that actually does sometihng? Or community events and staff that are out there with doing things with the community. Maybe you'd like to discuss the implementation of achievements versus trophies? Perhaps connectivity with Xbox.com. Maybe we can wax poetic about Xbox Live's faster content downloads.

Is Home going to be your strongest argument? Seems like you lean on that quite a bit.

VoodooHak

PS3 games have cross games invites,not all of them have it because the features was introduce latter on,no i was thinking more of Youtube upload you know how popular youtube is for video games movies,you can find a movie for almost every game out there,you don't need your camera and PC any more on PS3 you can do it easy,or Home were i can have my virtual own place 100 times beter than cross chat,i can play games free,get in touch with my friend plan strategies and lauch the game from inside home,visit home spaces dedicated for several games free and even play minigames on those spaces like in Uncharted space or RE5 one,can you do that on 360.?

What about the policy.? look sony just release a firmware to block a piracy device that was pretty much anounce a week ago,you do know that since last ban wave that took place last year, pirates still inside the xbox 360 right.? The Halo 3 auto aim hack is done on Jtag units,sony just save PSN from that happening,not that we have been at risk it has been what 4 years? Since the PS3 launch and just a week ago hacker actually put sony to run,MS has go by what 5 huge ban wave 1 per year.?

PSN is more lenient in many thing but you can get ban as well,you will not see some one ban for using a funny name that can be see as offensive,that happen on live,which is funny they ban your tag for putting a name you don't have to put,yet with pirates they don't ban your tag just your unit,so pirates just sell their 360 cheap buy a new one,and put a new firmware that take a week the most to arrive and they are set to cheat again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZnI89m56iY

Maybe you should go to Home and see what sony is doing for the community dude,Home it self is a testament of what sony is doing for the community and free.

So i can't connect with the PS site,that is odd because i log in eveyr now and then,check can see who is online and who isn't see trophies and other stuff,maybe you miss it.

By the way all games for PS3 that now comes with trophies,abain is something that was introduce latter on,onless you want to talk about 2007 games that hardly any one play any more,not to say that the leveing system and the own trophy system it self is better than a score and achievements,just like Platinums which give you somehting more to shoot for.

Yeah lets downplay Home which is game related to the max,and over hype party chat which has turn live into a cheat fest in compettitive games,to the point of Activision taking a stance against it and blocking the feature in several mods,something many FPS and 3rd person ones would probably want to fallow if they want to avoid telling by using party chat,about the games that are silent.? because many players are just talking with people out side the game,how will they communicate with you if you are chating out side the game.

Home is 100 times better than party chat ever will.

I...wow, for real? Gimme a serious link that proves the 360 had a higher defect rate (IE one that doesn't have some retail employee or anonymous insider as its 'source'). My PS2 scratched my games until I received the slim version, and the fire thing is just laughable, to put it mildly. You're also assuming that I think Microsoft respects its customers. Guess what buddy, I don't suffer delusion. Pointing out that one company doesn't respect customers does NOT, in any way shape or form, equate to thinking that another one does.

Verge_6

So you actually believe that the fail rate was as low as MS first stated that was between 4 and 5 % which was acceptable.?

You know why MS was force to fix the RROD,because if they din't they by now would be up to their toes in law suits,it was either fix it or make a recall so the decide to fix it and it cost them a cool billion,they did know the hardware was faulty and they did not care every one knows this by now,man the PS2 had porblems but it wasn't even close,it was well know because the PS2 stand now at 150 million units sold,more than 110 million more than what the 360 has sold,so many many many many more people actually owned a PS2 than an xbox or 360,word of mouth is call.

That is a big lol since my PS2 would even fall flat with a disc spinning and would not scratch my disc,the PS2 was build with that in mind,unlike the xbox 360 which MS decide to fallow sony example and make a console that could be put upright,but forgot to put somehing that protected the disc from a fall,in fact the xbox 360 drive is so poorly designed that if you just bump the unit by mistake and trip over a cord controller you would probably had a useless disc,even a small bump can render your disc dead.

The PS2 that did not happen becuase on the xbox 360 is the lent that go's to high when it reads something the PS2 lent did not do.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I...wow, for real? Gimme a serious link that proves the 360 had a higher defect rate (IE one that doesn't have some retail employee or anonymous insider as its 'source'). My PS2 scratched my games until I received the slim version, and the fire thing is just laughable, to put it mildly. You're also assuming that I think Microsoft respects its customers. Guess what buddy, I don't suffer delusion. Pointing out that one company doesn't respect customers does NOT, in any way shape or form, equate to thinking that another one does.

Eltormo

So you actually believe that the fail rate was as low as MS first stated that was between 4 and 5 % which was acceptable.?

You know why MS was force to fix the RROD,because if they din't they by now would be up to their toes in law suits,it was either fix it or make a recall so the decide to fix it and it cost them a cool billion,they did know the hardware was faulty and they did not care every one knows this by now,man the PS2 had porblems but it wasn't even close,it was well know because the PS2 stand now at 150 million units sold,more than 110 million more than what the 360 has sold,so many many many many more people actually owned a PS2 than an xbox or 360,word of mouth is call.

That is a big lol since my PS2 would even fall flat with a disc spinning and would not scratch my disc,the PS2 was build with that in mind,unlike the xbox 360 which MS decide to fallow sony example and make a console that could be put upright,but forgot to put somehing that protected the disc from a fall,in fact the xbox 360 drive is so poorly designed that if you just bump the unit by mistake and trip over a cord controller you would probably had a useless disc,even a small bump can render your disc dead.

The PS2 that did not happen becuase on the xbox 360 is the lent that go's to high when it reads something the PS2 lent did not do.

Then I guess the fact my 25mbps download means I should get most firmware and updates on psn within a minute or so...yet its never really the case, with 30 minute download times often the norm. I even did a proxy trick cause I have been told oddly comcat caps psn firmware download speeds...and it didn't help which if they were throttling proxying as I did would make it so to comcast it was my computer downloading the updates and not the ps3 which would bypass such a bottleneck. yet it didn't help. So looks to me its not size, its the fact that Sony doesn't have good netcode and doesn't plant Ps3 update server farms all over the world enough to serve many customers that complain of slow psn update/firmware download speeds.

WilliamRLBaker

30 minutes lol...

Next time i firware upgrade comes out i will make a video with my cell phone,i have a 5MB connection it takes less than 5 minutes,in fact in my connection i download like 700MB in 20 minutes or so,the PS3 firmware is not even 200MB dude,check your connection you have a problem.

By the way download the firware from your PC on the PS3 site,i know that with that connection it will download in a flash,anb use a USB drive to update,much easy than wait the 30 minutes you claim it takes to download.

In the Uk x-box live probably has less aditional features than the PS3, apart from Cross Game chat.

I mean It doesn't have ITV player (Confirmed coming soon), Iplayer, 4OD (Which is coming soon), Vidzone, Comic book store and the Mubi Movie downloads (In the UK the 360 does't have netflicks) etc etc.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]So you don't provide hard facts, use hyperbole, and still completely miss where I pointed out that I don't think MS respects it's customers, all while continuously going off topic from my initial remark. Yes, I think I'm going to go clean my firearms rather than waste more time here. Toodles, buddy.Eltormo

Oh please what you do you wan't you ask for proves but you want them from MS them self,as you were quick to say that if it was't from a inside source or retailer,come on you know MS hasn't come clean on how big the fail rate was and they never will,yeah go clean your firearm after the mess you did by shooting your foot,it was you who was talking about the PS2 when i quote you so nice try derailer.

coming from someone who had a 360 for years (lycan7hropy1975 for you doubters) i have to say XBL is a joke. other then cross game chat and some exclusive downloads and games it does nothing, and i do mean nothing to warrant $%0 and now $60 a year over PSN. in fact, IMO i think the exclusive games on PSN such as wipeout, fat princess, echochrome, and warhawk.....as well as tekken 5 DR beat out anything on the 360. microsoft sux. it took me 3 years to figure that out. it is a shame too. i loved the original xbox.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

You mean things like cross game invites? A party system? Cross game chat? All of which work through ALL games from launch, whether retail or arcade. How about a policy enforcement team that actually does sometihng? Or community events and staff that are out there with doing things with the community. Maybe you'd like to discuss the implementation of achievements versus trophies? Perhaps connectivity with Xbox.com. Maybe we can wax poetic about Xbox Live's faster content downloads.

Is Home going to be your strongest argument? Seems like you lean on that quite a bit.

Eltormo

PS3 games have cross games invites,not all of them have it because the features was introduce latter on,no i was thinking more of Youtube upload you know how popular youtube is for video games movies,you can find a movie for almost every game out there,you don't need your camera and PC any more on PS3 you can do it easy,or Home were i can have my virtual own place 100 times beter than cross chat,i can play games free,get in touch with my friend plan strategies and lauch the game from inside home,visit home spaces dedicated for several games free and even play minigames on those spaces like in Uncharted space or RE5 one,can you do that on 360.?

What about the policy.? look sony just release a firmware to block a piracy device that was pretty much anounce a week ago,you do know that since last ban wave that took place last year, pirates still inside the xbox 360 right.? The Halo 3 auto aim hack is done on Jtag units,sony just save PSN from that happening,not that we have been at risk it has been what 4 years? Since the PS3 launch and just a week ago hacker actually put sony to run,MS has go by what 5 huge ban wave 1 per year.?

PSN is more lenient in many thing but you can get ban as well,you will not see some one ban for using a funny name that can be see as offensive,that happen on live,which is funny they ban your tag for putting a name you don't have to put,yet with pirates they don't ban your tag just your unit,so pirates just sell their 360 cheap buy a new one,and put a new firmware that take a week the most to arrive and they are set to cheat again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZnI89m56iY

Maybe you should go to Home and see what sony is doing for the community dude,Home it self is a testament of what sony is doing for the community and free.

So i can't connect with the PS site,that is odd because i log in eveyr now and then,check can see who is online and who isn't see trophies and other stuff,maybe you miss it.

By the way all games for PS3 that now comes with trophies,abain is something that was introduce latter on,onless you want to talk about 2007 games that hardly any one play any more,not to say that the leveing system and the own trophy system it self is better than a score and achievements,just like Platinums which give you somehting more to shoot for.

Yeah lets downplay Home which is game related to the max,and over hype party chat which has turn live into a cheat fest in compettitive games,to the point of Activision taking a stance against it and blocking the feature in several mods,something many FPS and 3rd person ones would probably want to fallow if they want to avoid telling by using party chat,about the games that are silent.? because many players are just talking with people out side the game,how will they communicate with you if you are chating out side the game.

Home is 100 times better than party chat ever will.

Really? That's a matter of opinion but I'm pretty sure I have concensus on my side. Home is a whole separate app to allow for their own brand of party system and game launching, features that aren't done on the XMB level. But hey, enjoy your Home load times. I'll enjoy a party system, cross game invites, cross game chat and game launching without having to load a separate app to do so. The dash is something everyone has access to the moment the console starts.

And where are you getting your information? Out of your behind it would seem. Moderation happens all the time. XBL will ban pirates, both hardware as well as the gamertag. On top of piracy, MS is dedicated to providing a safe place to play. They police the sysem for cheaters and all-around jerks and manually go through every single complaint. They work closely with GLBT groups, parents organizations and legislators to educate people about the realities of online gaming.

And good luck with the anti-piracy efforts. Sony didn't have much luck with the PSP in that regard. As soon as they put in a fix, hackers will have an update soon thereafter. Sorry. The floodgates are open now.

The fact that you admit that not all PS3 games support cross game invites or trophies really lends credence to the idea that XBL was better thought out from the get go. I suppose Sony couldn't figure anything out within the year that the 360 launched ahead of them. Also, why wouldn't people be playing older games? No one plays MGS4 anymore? Has this list changed much?

The same applies to Playstation.com. Seeing your friends list is a recent addition. Want to updated your portable ID? You have to click a button while achievements require no manual intervention. Why is that? Because one wasn't tacked on. Too bad you can't message friends through PlayStation.com. You can with Xbox.com... and MSN Messenger... and Zune social.

Enjoy Home. That seems to be a highlight of the system for you.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]So you don't provide hard facts, use hyperbole, and still completely miss where I pointed out that I don't think MS respects it's customers, all while continuously going off topic from my initial remark. Yes, I think I'm going to go clean my firearms rather than waste more time here. Toodles, buddy.Verge_6

Oh please what you do you wan't you ask for proves but you want them from MS them self,as you were quick to say that if it was't from a inside source or retailer,come on you know MS hasn't come clean on how big the fail rate was and they never will,yeah go clean your firearm after the mess you did by shooting your foot,it was you who was talking about the PS2 when i quote you so nice try derailer.

hes talking about comparing the problems between the 360 and ps2> you mentioned somewhere that ps2 had problems and were not loyal to their customers or something. :P

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Eltormo"]

Oh please what you do you wan't you ask for proves but you want them from MS them self,as you were quick to say that if it was't from a inside source or retailer,come on you know MS hasn't come clean on how big the fail rate was and they never will,yeah go clean your firearm after the mess you did by shooting your foot,it was you who was talking about the PS2 when i quote you so nice try derailer.

Ribnarak

hes talking about comparing the problems between the 360 and ps2> you mentioned somewhere that ps2 had problems and were not loyal to their customers or something. :P

coming from someone who had a 360 for years (lycan7hropy1975 for you doubters) i have to say XBL is a joke. other then cross game chat and some exclusive downloads and games it does nothing, and i do mean nothing to warrant $%0 and now $60 a year over PSN. in fact, IMO i think the exclusive games on PSN such as wipeout, fat princess, echochrome, and warhawk.....as well as tekken 5 DR beat out anything on the 360. microsoft sux. it took me 3 years to figure that out. it is a shame too. i loved the original xbox.

kobraka1

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] I'm going to be honest, I literally cannot understand what you are saying. At all.Verge_6

hes talking about comparing the problems between the 360 and ps2> you mentioned somewhere that ps2 had problems and were not loyal to their customers or something. :P

psn is better than xbox live imo

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] I hope you realize that you're 'remainding' someone who uses both services. I don't think we can say the same for you.Eltormo

As of right now yes you can say the same about me dude,also own a 360 and live gold as well as a PS3.

Cool, then you won't mind if we take a look at your gamertag and PSN id.

30 minutes lol...

Next time i firware upgrade comes out i will make a video with my cell phone,i have a 5MB connection it takes less than 5 minutes,in fact in my connection i download like 700MB in 20 minutes or so,the PS3 firmware is not even 200MB dude,check your connection you have a problem.

By the way download the firware from your PC on the PS3 site,i know that with that connection it will download in a flash,anb use a USB drive to update,much easy than wait the 30 minutes you claim it takes to download.

Eltormo

WAIT! you mean I can download every single update for every ps3 game off the computer? every single firm ware update as well? the only thing you can do is download ps3 firmware off the playstation.com website you cannot download game updates or anything else. and yes it must be my connection right? It could never be sony servers.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network/Downloads-from-PS-Store-is-extremely-slow/td-p/27196901

http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?thread_id=107585

http://forums.wi-fiplanet.com/showthread.php?t=7002

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/08/dear-sony-there-is-a-reason-your-multiplatform-games-suffer.ars

http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network/PSN-S-L-O-W/m-p/33640706

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network/Slow-PSN-downloads/m-p/11002491

Because Microsoft wants your money. Theres no other reason. Some people think it's it's worth it, some don't. If you don't like it, don't pay for it. That simple. Vote with your wallet. There are other console, you are not chained to the xbox.vashkey

for one their arcade games are alot better than the PSN games, and the retail games they have on live are better also

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] I hope you realize that you're 'remainding' someone who uses both services. I don't think we can say the same for you.Eltormo

As of right now yes you can say the same about me dude,also own a 360 and live gold as well as a PS3.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

Sony would never dream about charging is fanbase a fee to use PSN. they have too much RESPECT for its loyal customers. MS need to learn the value of this

The problems the PS2 had was a lent problem which they were force to fix,and it wasn't even close to high as the RROD was,by the way the original xbox also had lents problems every ones knows the thomsom driver were utter crap,not only that the xbxo dvd drive scratched disc as well as the 360,and the AC core was replace because it could cause fires.

Home is 100 times better than party chat ever will.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

Home is 100 times better than party chat ever will.

clone01

I will do that for teh lulz

Really? That's a matter of opinion but I'm pretty sure I have concensus on my side. Home is a whole separate app to allow for their own brand of party system and game launching, features that aren't done on the XMB level. But hey, enjoy your Home load times. I'll enjoy a party system, cross game invites, cross game chat and game launching without having to load a separate app to do so. The dash is something everyone has access to the moment the console starts.

And where are you getting your information? Out of your behind it would seem.Moderation happens all the time. XBL will ban pirates, both hardware as well as the gamertag. On top of piracy, MS is dedicated to providing a safe place to play. They police the sysem for cheaters and all-around jerks and manually go through every single complaint. They work closely with GLBT groups, parents organizations and legislators to educate people about the realities of online gaming.

And good luck with the anti-piracy efforts. Sony didn't have much luck with the PSP in that regard. As soon as they put in a fix, hackers will have an update soon thereafter. Sorry. The floodgates are open now.

The fact that you admit that not all PS3 games support cross game invites or trophies really lends credence to the idea that XBL was better thought out from the get go. I suppose Sony couldn't figure anything out within the year that the 360 launched ahead of them. Also, why wouldn't people be playing older games? No one plays MGS4 anymore? Has this list changed much?

The same applies to Playstation.com. Seeing your friends list is a recent addition. Want to updated your portable ID? You have to click a button while achievements require no manual intervention. Why is that? Because one wasn't tacked on. Too bad you can't message friends through PlayStation.com. You can with Xbox.com... and MSN Messenger... and Zune social.

Enjoy Home. That seems to be a highlight of the system for you.

VoodooHak

You enjoy not having something like it serparate app or not an enjoy those $10 more a year for facebook,Twitter and Netflix which i get free on PS3,hell i can even get youtube from my PS3 and see my uploaded videos.

No need for insults i don't get my fact from my behind i get them from the own internet,want me to post some youtube videos of cheating on live.? maybe that will lower your tone.

They work closely with parent organisations? maybe that has always been so full of screaming 14 year old dude,or am i making that one up to.?

If funny because the PS3 has 4 years on the market hack free for how long has been live full of cheaters.? 5 years and counting.? to pardon me if i don't feel bad in fact already some of first people using the USB device were ban,and the device was just release and was already block,what make you think sony will not block it again fast.?

Excuse me i have to click buttons were when i go into the Playstation site my trophies are updated automatically,only when you don't sink your PS3 that happen,but that is not a problem,i guess it take to much effort to press a sink button right,but it doesn't to pay $50 a year and having to enter a bunch of numbers on xbox live right.?

And why would i want to sned messages from my PC to my friend if i want to do that i use Facebook which a million times better dude.

Let me ask you this if you want to share your xbox live games with me you can.? Can you share games with your friends and save some dollars can you.?

Oh wait you can't because of MS DRM,hell how many complained about having to be connected to live to play their own bought games.?

MW2 maps cost me nothing,i friend of mine give them to me,Marvel vs Capcom cost me nothing a friend also gave it to me,so can you do that.? using a site and the lack of having to press anything is good for you,but not saving a tons of chash.?

No the highly of my system is free online play,with more games on servers for cleaner experience,youtube upload,game sharing (call me when you have something even close on live) and to finish the avility to get free content if developer want to give it free,unlike on live which MS force developer to charge for content ecen if they want to give it to you for free.

XBL was better thought out from the get go.

Was it of course it was it was carefully plan to suck your wallet dry.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] I hope you realize that you're 'remainding' someone who uses both services. I don't think we can say the same for you.clone01

As of right now yes you can say the same about me dude,also own a 360 and live gold as well as a PS3.

since you can't admit when you have been prove wrong i will never prove it to you,in the end it will even get you more bitter than you already are witth me and would quote me even more.

You enjoy not having something like it serparate app or not an enjoy those $10 more a year for facebook,Twitter and Netflix which i get free on PS3,hell i can even get youtube from my PS3 and see my uploaded videos.

No need for insults i don't get my fact from my behind i get them from the own internet,want me to post some youtube videos of cheating on live.? maybe that will lower your tone.

They work closely with parent organisations? maybe that has always been so full of screaming 14 year old dude,or am i making that one up to.?

If funny because the PS3 has 4 years on the market hack free for how long has been live full of cheaters.? 5 years and counting.? to pardon me if i don't feel bad in fact already some of first people using the USB device were ban,and the device was just release and was already block,what make you think sony will not block it again fast.?

Excuse me i have to click buttons were when i go into the Playstation site my trophies are updated automatically,only when you don't sink your PS3 that happen,but that is not a problem,i guess it take to much effort to press a sink button right,but it doesn't to pay $50 a year and having to enter a bunch of numbers on xbox live right.?

And why would i want to sned messages from my PC to my friend if i want to do that i use Facebook which a million times better dude.

Let me ask you this if you want to share your xbox live games with me you can.? Can you share games with your friends and save some dollars can you.?

Oh wait you can't because of MS DRM,hell how many complained about having to be connected to live to play their own bought games.?

MW2 maps cost me nothing,i friend of mine give them to me,Marvel vs Capcom cost me nothing a friend also gave it to me,so can you do that.? using a site and the lack of having to press anything is good for you,but not saving a tons of chash.?

No the highly of my system is free online play,with more games on servers for cleaner experience,youtube upload,game sharing (call me when you have something even close on live) and to finish the avility to get free content if developer want to give it free,unlike on live which MS force developer to charge for content ecen if they want to give it to you for free.

XBL was better thought out from the get go.

Was it of course it was it was carefully plan to suck your wallet dry.

Eltormo

I understand that English is not your native language, but I really couldn't understand some of what you typed there. So I'll respond to what I did understand.

I can search Youtube for a whole bunch of cheating in PS3 games as well. That console is not immune to cheating.

Working with parent groups and other groups sure does have its value as it addresses issues that members have complained about. It doesn't magically eliminate all problems, but it sure does alleviate it. Again, it's not like PS3 games don't have them. There are screaming kids, d-bags and elitists there too. Welcome to the internet.

The manual synch of trophies is small inconvenience of a bunch of small inconveniences that, taken together, paint a good picture of how PSN was not planned out properly from the start and is left with a patchwork of tacked on features. It's in the way they synch. It's the fact that they don't exist in all games. It's that the data isn't easily shared. Achievement data is available to anyone that wants to build a widget. MS has a community developer program to help fan sites with those.

And I don't know why you're so stuck on the Facebook issue. If you wanted to send messages outside of your console, you'd use facebook. Ok. Is that because every single PSN user has facebook and checks it all the time? Well no. I don't have to rely on a different service. I can just go to the one I game on. For what little it's worth, FB and Twitter are all built from the ground up for the 360 interface, as is Netflix and the Zune video mktplace. All of this relating to consistency of the UI.

Game sharing...wait... isn't that a function of the PS Store, not PSN? How is this related? Does that mean I can bring up the notion that all XBLA games have a demo? But... that speaks more to the marketplace, not the actual online service.

Then you started to rant and your sentences became distractingly hard to read. Again, I do understand our language barrier.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Eltormo"]

As of right now yes you can say the same about me dude,also own a 360 and live gold as well as a PS3.

since you can't admit when you have been prove wrong i will never prove it to you,in the end it will even get you more bitter than you already are witth me and would quote me even more.

Its not that I love paying for XBL, and I'm not going to defend the pricing, but at the same time people make way to big a deal out of it. I mean I just pay for it because i want to use it. Plain and simple really.

Well, there's nothing on the PS3 that interests me. I have a 360, so I obviously go with XBox Live.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Oh wow, for real? The same company that denied the fact the PS2 had serious problems and refused to pay for any repairs has respect for their customers? dog_dirt

The problems the PS2 had was a lent problem which they were force to fix,and it wasn't even close to high as the RROD was,by the way the original xbox also had lents problems every ones knows the thomsom driver were utter crap,not only that the xbxo dvd drive scratched disc as well as the 360,and the AC core was replace because it could cause fires.

http://video-games.elliottback.com/sony-settles-ps2-lawsuit/

The problem was lint in the ps2? and sony settled out of court over it? wow...Do Lawyers that work for Sony just naturally suck or something?

I wish I didn't have to pay for Live but MS wants money for what they do. Cows love to pretend that Sony loves them and wants to give them everything for free. Sony is definetly green with envy over the money MS are making with Live.

There is a huge difference between exploiting a game weak point MW2,which can be patch to Cheating on Halo 3 which is hard to patch unless you ban the pirates,so not only you get game related exploits you also get cheats by hacker that had modified 360's something you will not find on PS3.

Eltormo

Even though I will likely get suspended or atleast moderated for this, I simply don't care. I'm sick of you saying the ps3 is unhackable, there were never any hacks on the ps3 version and only ever glitches.

the ps3 version as you say of MW2 is unhackable, unmodifiable...ect
Go to youtube.com

search Modern warefare 2 ps3 hacks

first entry is spec ops hack on ps3. posted 9 months ago
2nd is super sprint. posted 3 months ago
3rd is prestige hack. posted 8 months ago

all of them maintain that you hack saved files from your ps3...I.E hacking the ps3. So yes. the ps3 version of MW2 is hackable, I.E running unsigned hacked save files and other things to get affects in games such as super sprint, high jump, laser sight on your weapons...ect

There is no explanation except for people telling you that "its alright to pay it because its a way for microsoft to make money and they are not evil for trying to make money". Its the same thing that has been said by lemmings for a while now which still doesnt justify any value.

There is no explanation except for people telling you that "its alright to pay it because its a way for microsoft to make money and they are not evil for trying to make money". Its the same thing that has been said by lemmings for a while now which still doesnt justify any value.

RadecSupreme

Lol if Sony had the chance to implement a subscription they would have. MS just did it first and Sony couldn't do it afterwards because then the PS3 would suffer in sales horribly.

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There is no explanation except for people telling you that "its alright to pay it because its a way for microsoft to make money and they are not evil for trying to make money". Its the same thing that has been said by lemmings for a while now which still doesnt justify any value.

Casboof

Lol if Sony had the chance to implement a subscription they would have. MS just did it first and Sony couldn't do it afterwards because then the PS3 would suffer in sales horribly.

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[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

There is no explanation except for people telling you that "its alright to pay it because its a way for microsoft to make money and they are not evil for trying to make money". Its the same thing that has been said by lemmings for a while now which still doesnt justify any value.

RadecSupreme

Lol if Sony had the chance to implement a subscription they would have. MS just did it first and Sony couldn't do it afterwards because then the PS3 would suffer in sales horribly.

$1.15 a week is worth party & cross game chat. Though it's not really price related, I much prefer the setup as well.

Twin-Blade

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$1.15 a week is worth party & cross game chat. Though it's not really price related, I much prefer the setup as well.

edo-tensei

$1.15 a week is worth party & cross game chat. Though it's not really price related, I much prefer the setup as well.

See, here's the thing you XBL price bashers don't seem to get: it's not just about what features the service has, it's about how they are implemented. It's about the way everything on XBL fits together to create a compelling, easy-to-use, hassle-free online entertainment network, compared to how everything on PSN is clunky and disjointed.

Want an example? Let's take something as simple as Trophy support. On Xbox 360, they are available in every game. There are quotas--full games get 1000 points and up to 50 achievements, arcade games get 200 points and 12 achievements. But more importantly, they are hassle-free; you get an achievement and it is silently and seamlessly posted online for all to see. On PSN, not all games have them. Some games give more Trophy value than others. And banking your trophies is a hassle; you have to go to the Trophy screen to get them to even sync--a process that takes longer and longer the more trophies you accumulate. And even after that, you still have to go to playstation.com to actually get your new trophies to show up on your portable ID.

But hey, yeah I guess PSN has trophies, so check that feature off the list.

Just about everything on XBL is similarly fast, easy, hassle-free. Whereas the same features on PSN are slow, clunky, a hassle. I don't mind paying for the obvious work, effort and care that went into XBL. If you don't want to pay for it, that's your business. Some people appreciate the quality of a well-designed, premium-level service.

Smart business move is smart. Scam is a scam for some and not for others. Some enjoy shelling out $50 (soon $60) to play online while others would rather buy a game or a few games.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.:P

See, here's the thing you XBL price bashers don't seem to get: it's not just about what features the service has, it's about how they are implemented. It's about the way everything on XBL fits together to create a compelling, easy-to-use, hassle-free online entertainment network, compared to how everything on PSN is clunky and disjointed.

Want an example? Let's take something as simple as Trophy support. On Xbox 360, they are available in every game. There are quotas--full games get 1000 points and up to 50 achievements, arcade games get 200 points and 12 achievements. But more importantly, they are hassle-free; you get an achievement and it is silently and seamlessly posted online for all to see. On PSN, not all games have them. Some games give more Trophy value than others. And banking your trophies is a hassle; you have to go to the Trophy screen to get them to even sync--a process that takes longer and longer the more trophies you accumulate. And even after that, you still have to go to playstation.com to actually get your new trophies to show up on your portable ID.

But hey, yeah I guess PSN has trophies, so check that feature off the list.

Just about everything on XBL is similarly fast, easy, hassle-free. Whereas the same features on PSN are slow, clunky, a hassle. I don't mind paying for the obvious work, effort and care that went into XBL. If you don't want to pay for it, that's your business. Some people appreciate the quality of a well-designed, premium-level service.

UnnDunn

if 360 owners had a choice they wouldn't pay for online,but they don't. what i don't get is why is that so hard for people to understand. statements like "why pay for online on the 360 when it's free on the ps3" don't mean anything when the group your bashing ONLY have 360's lawlessx

But there IS a choice. There's always a choice. I could have easily gone with PS3 only or PC. People who bought a 360 knew what they were getting into. It's not like the fee for Live was a surprise.

I have a PS3, yet I choose to play multiplayer on the 360 for reasons already stated in this thread.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

See, here's the thing you XBL price bashers don't seem to get: it's not just about what features the service has, it's about how they are implemented. It's about the way everything on XBL fits together to create a compelling, easy-to-use, hassle-free online entertainment network, compared to how everything on PSN is clunky and disjointed.

Want an example? Let's take something as simple as Trophy support. On Xbox 360, they are available in every game. There are quotas--full games get 1000 points and up to 50 achievements, arcade games get 200 points and 12 achievements. But more importantly, they are hassle-free; you get an achievement and it is silently and seamlessly posted online for all to see. On PSN, not all games have them. Some games give more Trophy value than others. And banking your trophies is a hassle; you have to go to the Trophy screen to get them to even sync--a process that takes longer and longer the more trophies you accumulate. And even after that, you still have to go to playstation.com to actually get your new trophies to show up on your portable ID.

But hey, yeah I guess PSN has trophies, so check that feature off the list.

Just about everything on XBL is similarly fast, easy, hassle-free. Whereas the same features on PSN are slow, clunky, a hassle. I don't mind paying for the obvious work, effort and care that went into XBL. If you don't want to pay for it, that's your business. Some people appreciate the quality of a well-designed, premium-level service.

ArtisTool

Silver doesn't get the pary system. Silver doesn't get to parcitipate in community events. They don't use cross game invites or reap the benefits of the XBL personnel. Silver only gets a hint of how well integrated these things are into the whole online experience for Xbox.

There is no explanation except for people telling you that "its alright to pay it because its a way for microsoft to make money and they are not evil for trying to make money". Its the same thing that has been said by lemmings for a while now which still doesnt justify any value.

RadecSupreme

no explanation except?

you must work hard to pretend you don't believe what you see when people give their reasons, their opinions....gasp...for liking XBL more, despite the fee.

and of course you won't see the justified value. for one, fanboy goggles don't even allow you to see an opinion. a well-stated opinion to boot. but if you want to keep spinning and generalizing. go ahead.

still so weird that cows, who aren't even effected, are the ones trying to decide how other people should spend their money.

are they going to get on my back that I prefer DirectTV over DishNetwork even though DirectTV costs more for the same service. I bet they would if this was TV Wars Forum:lol:

on paper, you can, will and are spinning it all you want. but you can't spin another person's opinion, especially when their opinion is well within reason:|