Xbox One and PS4 CPU less than a quarter the grunt of a Core i5-3570K

Mark Cerny failed us, throw tomatoes at him during E3 if you're going to see the conference. This is kinda sad to read, really. If they're outdated from day one just imagine in 3 years, will be worst than ps360 vs pc in 2012.silversix_

Bahahaha I wonder how they stack up to my 3770K. Poorly I would imagine... :P

Rock Paper Shotgun got its hands on an 4-core 1.5Ghz variant of the 8-core 1.6Ghz chip found in both consoles.

Mystery_Writer

lol what a joke thread. The CPU PS4 has is 3x more powerful than 360. Thats damn good for a gaming console. As we all should already know the biggest problem with PS3 was the weak GPU and the split low ram, thats where true improvement was needed.

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Rock Paper Shotgun got its hands on an 4-core 1.5Ghz variant of the 8-core 1.6Ghz chip found in both consoles.

KillzoneSnake

lol what a joke thread. The CPU PS4 has is 3x more powerful than 360. Thats damn good for a gaming console. As we all should already know the biggest problem with PS3 was the weak GPU and the split low ram, thats where true improvement was needed.

there are some things that that the GPU in the consoles cannot be tasked with for picking up the slack on the console CPU.

A lot of games will be built around knowing very well the cpu is week so game devs wont focus on cpu driven tasks.    Its true the GCN tech of AMD will help out the compute performace MASSIVELY. So one cannot judge a book by its cover. But there are things the GCN cannot help out in, And thats stuff like  64 players in battlefield 4 multiplayer.........             Huge games like planet side will have to be toned down a lot...

A pc with an i5 3570k WITH AN AMD GPU > THAN CONSOLE will also see the benefits of GCN tech (Cough cough TRESSFX). This isnt something that only consolites will benefit from..          So once you add up the fact that the PC CPU is overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr kill and we hermits have way more compute performace on GPU's ....

Its not even gonna be close. PC wins mile miless. Optimization you say? even if consoles get  3x in CPU optimization they still dont come close to the power  of the i5 3570k.         Every ps4 game "that looks so called good". Will be at 30 frames per second while im enjoying 60+

Cows and Lems holding pc gaming back right out the gate.  F.u.cking lowest common denominator sucks........ Thank goodness we hermits can MOD our games to look better.

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The AMD Jaguar CPU that lies at the heart of both PS4 and Xbox One may not be the gaming beast we had expected.

Rock Paper Shotgun got its hands on an 4-core 1.5Ghz variant of the 8-core 1.6Ghz chip found in both consoles. It speculates that once the multitasking nature of both consoles is taken into account, only four cores are likely to be left for gaming computations.

The sites conclusions are less than encouraging.

"Is it any good? In a word, no. Not in a gaming context," it stated. "To be fair to AMD, the A4-5000 is a nice chip for its intended market - mobile devices at the cheaper end of the market." But as a gaming CPU?

"In raw processing terms, these four Jaguar cores have slightly less than a quarter the grunt of a Core i5-3570K. Its the same story on a core-by-core basis. Less than one quarter of the performance."

"On the one hand, it does rather look like [PC gamers will] pretty much never have to upgrade your CPU to cope with the next decade of console ports. Almost any half decent CPU you currently have will be game enough."

The same author has previously claimed that the Jaguar chip will even fall behind AMDs FX series by a margin of 50 per cent.

Good news for PC gamers, then. But what does it mean for the next-generation of games? Is the supposed generational leap offered by the new hardware actually going to hold gaming back?

"I just cant see how developers are going to really ramp up game engine technology with these CPU cores. Next-gen AI, fancy physics, dont see how its possible", the site adds.

"At this point, somebody will pitch up and opine that they'll shove some of that onto the GPU. But the graphics grunt in the new consoles is merely OK, so wheres the spare headroom? Pinching GPU resources will limit graphical fidelity. Then again, it might just mean nobody bothers at all and were doomed to suffer a future largely populated with console-compromised ports."

Sauce

tormentos

ouch!

P.S. as usual, apologies if old.

The whole article is a piece of sh**,even the xbox one who has a more taxing OS leave 6 cores for gaming,the PS4 is say to use all for gaming,since it has an extra ARM CPU for background task.

There is no 8 core Jaguar on PC.

Nobody would buy one either...

:lol: Well that throws a white elephant in the middle of the cow circle jerk.

A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

BeerMage

not really

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A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

lostrib

not really

Well mine does and it's not like I got a super good chip or something.

 

Nobody would buy one either...

Bebi_vegeta

Yeah because it is proven that no one went with weak ass CPU since ever,my first PC was a celeron 266 dude on 1998,before that i had a mac so yeah many people will go for cheaper CPU,i remember how expensive was the pentium II vs my celeron.

A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

BeerMage

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

This is a big steaming pile.  He compared a 4 chip tablet version at 1.5ghz, not the Console CPU's.  We don't even know the clockspeed of the console verions but it's at least 100Mhz higher.  There's a total lack of knowledge here.

For one thing, he said that only 4 core's will be used for gaming?  Pulled right out the ass that was.

Killzone shadow fall in its extremely early pre alpha stages used 6 of the 8 core's.  The worst thing he said was that the best FX chip is only 50% better than the Jaguar he's comparing it to...

He couldn't make any kind of comparsion between CPU's and know's jack shit.

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Nobody would buy one either...

tormentos

Yeah because it is proven that no one went with weak ass CPU since ever,my first PC was a celeron 266 dude on 1998,before that i had a mac so yeah many people will go for cheaper CPU,i remember how expensive was the pentium II vs my celeron.

Nobody would buy a 8 core low clock for CPU... Rather have 4 core higher clocked... which both could be in the same category price range. Single thread application are still being used.

CPUs don't generally need to be as cutting edge for gaming as GPUs, and it's not like consoles have ever been big in a genre which does require more CPU power like RTS games. Still, it does seem a bit disappointingly weak. Especially coming off last-gen, all SW was back then was "TEH CELL!!!" and the 360 GPU "TEH XENOS!!!". Aside from the 8GB GDDR5, Sony and Microsoft aren't psuhing the tech talk because they have nothing cutting edge.

The good news obviously is that it keeps costs of consoles down, and it means PC gamers can use the money saved on a CPU for other parts instead. The bad news obviously is that we won't be pushing as far as we could have with games.

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A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

psn8214

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

Why can't you PC fanboys accept the fact that console gamers dont give a crap about the specifics on CPU/GPU benchmarks and performance. The average gamer simply wants to pop in a game and play. Does it look great to them? Yes!! Does it perform well to them? Yes!! Most of us do not eat, sleep and breathe this stuff like you PC gurus. We dont care!! All I know is that with the XBOX One and PS4, we the console gamers will be getting improved gaming over this past generation and that is all that matters!!!ShoTTyMcNaDeS

Oh please, you guys care plenty.

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@ronvalencia

Those charts paint such a grim picture of next gen. Core i5 equipped with the same GPU would run circles around both next gen consoles according to this (let alone i7).

Where you expecting this low level of performance when the specs first leaked about Jaguar capabilities?

shadowlusterx

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]Watch as they reply with "Optimization"ronvalencia

x86 optmizations are compiler flags, same with ppc or arm, those optimizations are done at compile time. You won't get any benefit on PC because the consoles are x86 this time around.

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A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

psn8214

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

When you say liquid cooling do you mean those ovepriced corsair things or a custom water loop? Because the former aren't all that better than the highest air coolers.

Mine does 4.6 on air as I said above.

We don't know the clock speed of the CPU, it could turn out to be over 2.0Ghz. We do know that the PS4 will use an ARM processor for it's OS, so it will have all the 8 cores for devs to use. 

The 8 core Jaguar is still a better CPU than the current console generation has, and those CPU's has'nt really been the biggest bottlenecks in those systems. The GPU in the PS4 is powerfull enough to handle all physics and graphics processing that the CELL in the PS3 had to help out with, so I don't really see the point of having a powerfull CPU that can do physics and graphics processing.

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A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

BeerMage

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

When you say liquid cooling do you mean those ovepriced corsair things or a custom water loop? Because the former aren't all that better than the highest air coolers.

Mine does 4.6 on air as I said above.

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[QUOTE="psn8214"]

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

clyde46

When you say liquid cooling do you mean those ovepriced corsair things or a custom water loop? Because the former aren't all that better than the highest air coolers.

Mine does 4.6 on air as I said above.

aren't they about the same? you just screw on the mount, apply TIM, screw on cooler.  Install fans.  Actually, I feel like the AOI coolers would take more work as you gotta place the radiator 

Why can't you PC fanboys accept the fact that console gamers dont give a crap about the specifics on CPU/GPU benchmarks and performance. The average gamer simply wants to pop in a game and play. Does it look great to them? Yes!! Does it perform well to them? Yes!! Most of us do not eat, sleep and breathe this stuff like you PC gurus. We dont care!! All I know is that with the XBOX One and PS4, we the console gamers will be getting improved gaming over this past generation and that is all that matters!!!ShoTTyMcNaDeS

Shhh adults are talking

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When you say liquid cooling do you mean those ovepriced corsair things or a custom water loop? Because the former aren't all that better than the highest air coolers.

Mine does 4.6 on air as I said above.

lostrib

aren't they about the same? you just screw on the mount, apply TIM, screw on cooler.  Install fans.  Actually, I feel like the AOI coolers would take more work as you gotta place the radiator 

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]Like I said in my latter post, AMD dominates in compute performance so it's no shock to see the 7850 beating the Titan in compute performance.tormentos

This ^^^ is something in which the PS4 GPU has been modify.

The GCN the PS4 GPU is based on has 4 compute queues 2 Aces,the PS4 one has 64 compute queues and 8 Aces,it was one of the customizations done to the GPU,the PS4 will hardness thant compute power way better than any PC with GCN ever will.

Then it will use cache by pass,and its CPU has out of order execution so no stallments,if one job stall another just pass,the PS4 can also run both compute and graphics at the same time.

This is the reason why the PS4 doesn't need a I7 CPU,a fraction of that GPU for compute will boost that CPU to hell and beyond.

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A stock 3570k? Because most of them can clock to 4.5-4.6 ghz on air cooling with little effort.

clyde46

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

Wouldn't do that on air bro. Ivy Bridge CPUs run hot. With liquid cooling, then yes, absolutely. I've pushed my 3770K to those speeds with verrry nice temps very very easily. 

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Its the Sandys that had the better TIM under the IHS. Looks like Intel cheaped out again with the TIM on the new Haswell line. TinyTomLogan had a ES that had 90'C+ with 1.2V and a H100i. clyde46

4.6 is pretty good for 1.2 however 90C is not good for 1.2V (or any voltage)

So who will i believe? Sony/MS/AMD engineers who spent a lot of time developing their respective chips which are fully custom made or some butt hurt hermit idiot who actually thinks you can side by side compare consoles and PCs on specs alone? So far KillZone SF beats the hell out of all PC games in graphics. But we all know that PC is more powerful. To most idiotic Hermits, this would be hard for them to explain. So they just throw dumb insults instead. Typical.razu2444

how does killzone SF beat all PC games in graphics?

So who will i believe? Sony/MS/AMD engineers who spent a lot of time developing their respective chips which are fully custom made or some butt hurt hermit idiot who actually thinks you can side by side compare consoles and PCs on specs alone? So far KillZone SF beats the hell out of all PC games in graphics. But we all know that PC is more powerful. To most idiotic Hermits, this would be hard for them to explain. So they just throw dumb insults instead. Typical.razu2444

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

So far KillZone SF beats the hell out of all PC games in graphics.razu2444

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]Watch as they reply with "Optimization"savagetwinkie

x86 optmizations are compiler flags, same with ppc or arm, those optimizations are done at compile time. You won't get any benefit on PC because the consoles are x86 this time around.

AMD Jaguar has the the similar instruction set as Intel Sandybridge hence C++ complier switches would be up to AVX level**. AMD Jaguar doesn't even support AMD's FMA3/FMA4 instructions. AMD Jaguar's pipeline length is similar to Intel Core 2, hence P6+ switch instead of Pentium IV(P7).

The workload has to be broken down for the targeted CPU's cache size (e.g. for Swiftshader software renderer's optimal performance).

**AMD Jaguar supports SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AES, PCLMUL, AVX, BMI, F16C, MOVBE. Intel Sandybridge and AMD Piledriver are supersets of AMD Jaguar.

Relative to Intel Sandy Bridge or AMD Piledriver, there's nothing unique about AMD Jaguar. AMD Jaguar's key feature is the small size CPU design(near ARM Cortex A15) that supports Intel Sandybridge level instruction set (minus Intel''s VT).

So who will i believe? Sony/MS/AMD engineers who spent a lot of time developing their respective chips which are fully custom made or some butt hurt hermit idiot who actually thinks you can side by side compare consoles and PCs on specs alone? So far KillZone SF beats the hell out of all PC games in graphics. But we all know that PC is more powerful. To most idiotic Hermits, this would be hard for them to explain. So they just throw dumb insults instead. Typical.razu2444

And for the record this is the best game engine in terms of GRAPHICS which is developed for the PC. "Modern" PCs are only able to START being able to handle dynamic raytracing techniques like the ones used in this game engine but Volta will soon change all that. This is the REAL future of graphics. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfXAUm8D6k

I think killzone will look fantastic but to say it looks better then any PC game at the moment is REALLY farfetched, ESPECIALLY when you look at Unreal Engine 4 for the PC.

ALSO look out for Outerra. That engine holds the most promise.

Who cares.They are good enough to push gaming forward by a large margin.Thats all that matters.

Consoles are holding back gaming again.

They shouldn't exist.

Consoles are holding back gaming again.

They shouldn't exist.

Cyberdot