Xbox One is unconstitutional LOL "muh rights"

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Only idiots and exhibitionist will buy this now.Victorious_Fize

Do you like the government agents standing outside your door house looking through your windows all day watching and monitoring your every move?? Making it digitally possible doesn't make monitoring any more comfortable :?

HAZE-Unit

I think that's precisely it. The intangiblity of being watched digitally concerns relatively no one compared to how outraged everyone would be if cameras were installed in vehicles or homes. But why would the government even need to do that? Digitally they have all the info they would ever need. "Public safety," "acts against terrorism," etc... certain key phrases are enough to force compliance. For all the bitching and griping Americans give their politicians and government officials they seem to be okay with banking on goodwill and "for the greater good."

I'm not a terrorist so the govt can spy on me all they want.Pittfan666

So why aren't you allowed to know what they (the government) are up to? Do you not as a citizen have a right to be fully aware of your governments intentions and plans? Why is it when a person like Snowden is truthful and transparent between his fellow citizens he is labeled a traitor? Why is it okay to betray a country's people but not the government?

I've said it in another thread, but Xbox One will not be plugged in near me at anytime (at home or friend's house), unless its at work since I kinda make games for it.

Understand that with the shakey ground the 1st and 4th Amendment now stand on in this country, I do not want to run the risk of jokingly or sarcastically saying something in my own home or in my personal space, then being thrown in jail for it without a trial.

Melodramatic? Absolutely, but that exact scenario happened in the last 6 months in the US. You can throw away your rights for "teh microsoft vidyagames" if you want, but I rather enjoy the country I grew up in, and will try my best to uphold what it once stood for for as long as possible.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

HAZE-Unit

Do you really, truthfully do not see how it does bother people ?? what a ridiculous and pretend to be naive of a question you got here, why do people pretend to be dumb when I know they are actually smart people? do you like to look dumb? 

But I'll answer your question.

Do you like the government agents standing outside your door house looking through your windows all day watching and monitoring your every move?? Making it digitally possible doesn't make monitoring any more comfortable :?

This puts everybody on risk of being exposed to the world. The government could and they probably already took control of a lot of famous, powerful and influential people in the country ( Also internationally famous/powerful I suppose ) by threatening them with exposing their privacy thanks to the NSA practices.

They could easily accuse a regular guy of being a terrorist with this kind of surveillance....The possibilities are endless and Im not talking about Xbox here, Im talking about the whole operation which is PRISM.

You guys should care, you should defend your rights and privacy, I don't know why this generation is so freaking lazy of doing anything ( and Im not pointing fingers at you only here, Im talking in general )? why no protests? Why no prosecution?

Did the government really hypnotize you to this level? DO SOMETHING!

i understand people's feelings regarding a perceived loss of privacy but it has no effect on my life. this has been blown out of porportion and people are making mountains out of mole hills. do you really think that there's going to be people constantly monitoring you? even if they are, i don't care if ms or the government knows that i ordered a pizza last friday. i don't care if they know whether i sit on the left or right side of the couch.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

CaseyWegner

Do you really, truthfully do not see how it does bother people ?? what a ridiculous and pretend to be naive of a question you got here, why do people pretend to be dumb when I know they are actually smart people? do you like to look dumb? 

But I'll answer your question.

Do you like the government agents standing outside your door house looking through your windows all day watching and monitoring your every move?? Making it digitally possible doesn't make monitoring any more comfortable :?

This puts everybody on risk of being exposed to the world. The government could and they probably already took control of a lot of famous, powerful and influential people in the country ( Also internationally famous/powerful I suppose ) by threatening them with exposing their privacy thanks to the NSA practices.

They could easily accuse a regular guy of being a terrorist with this kind of surveillance....The possibilities are endless and Im not talking about Xbox here, Im talking about the whole operation which is PRISM.

You guys should care, you should defend your rights and privacy, I don't know why this generation is so freaking lazy of doing anything ( and Im not pointing fingers at you only here, Im talking in general )? why no protests? Why no prosecution?

Did the government really hypnotize you to this level? DO SOMETHING!

it has no effect on my life. i don't care if ms or the government knows that i ordered a pizza last friday. i don't care if they know whether i sit on the left or right side of the couch. this has been blown out of porportion and people are making mountains out of mole hills. do you really think that there's going to be people constantly monitoring you?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Do you really, truthfully do not see how it does bother people ?? what a ridiculous and pretend to be naive of a question you got here, why do people pretend to be dumb when I know they are actually smart people? do you like to look dumb? 

But I'll answer your question.

Do you like the government agents standing outside your door house looking through your windows all day watching and monitoring your every move?? Making it digitally possible doesn't make monitoring any more comfortable :?

This puts everybody on risk of being exposed to the world. The government could and they probably already took control of a lot of famous, powerful and influential people in the country ( Also internationally famous/powerful I suppose ) by threatening them with exposing their privacy thanks to the NSA practices.

They could easily accuse a regular guy of being a terrorist with this kind of surveillance....The possibilities are endless and Im not talking about Xbox here, Im talking about the whole operation which is PRISM.

You guys should care, you should defend your rights and privacy, I don't know why this generation is so freaking lazy of doing anything ( and Im not pointing fingers at you only here, Im talking in general )? why no protests? Why no prosecution?

Did the government really hypnotize you to this level? DO SOMETHING!

Shensolidus

it has no effect on my life. i don't care if ms or the government knows that i ordered a pizza last friday. i don't care if they know whether i sit on the left or right side of the couch. this has been blown out of porportion and people are making mountains out of mole hills. do you really think that there's going to be people constantly monitoring you?

24/7 there's going to be a dedicated person watching what goes on in every single xbox one owner's living room?

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

CaseyWegner

Do you really, truthfully do not see how it does bother people ?? what a ridiculous and pretend to be naive of a question you got here, why do people pretend to be dumb when I know they are actually smart people? do you like to look dumb? 

But I'll answer your question.

Do you like the government agents standing outside your door house looking through your windows all day watching and monitoring your every move?? Making it digitally possible doesn't make monitoring any more comfortable :?

This puts everybody on risk of being exposed to the world. The government could and they probably already took control of a lot of famous, powerful and influential people in the country ( Also internationally famous/powerful I suppose ) by threatening them with exposing their privacy thanks to the NSA practices.

They could easily accuse a regular guy of being a terrorist with this kind of surveillance....The possibilities are endless and Im not talking about Xbox here, Im talking about the whole operation which is PRISM.

You guys should care, you should defend your rights and privacy, I don't know why this generation is so freaking lazy of doing anything ( and Im not pointing fingers at you only here, Im talking in general )? why no protests? Why no prosecution?

Did the government really hypnotize you to this level? DO SOMETHING!

i understand people's feelings regarding a perceived loss of privacy but it has no effect on my life. this has been blown out of porportion and people are making mountains out of mole hills. do you really think that there's going to be people constantly monitoring you? even if they are, i don't care if ms or the government knows that i ordered a pizza last friday. i don't care if they know whether i sit on the left or right side of the couch.

Citizens in Iran said similar things a long time ago. As did those in the Soviet Union. Oh and Egypt too.

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it has no effect on my life. i don't care if ms or the government knows that i ordered a pizza last friday. i don't care if they know whether i sit on the left or right side of the couch. this has been blown out of porportion and people are making mountains out of mole hills. do you really think that there's going to be people constantly monitoring you?

CaseyWegner

24/7 there's going to be a dedicated person watching what goes on in every single xbox one owner's living room?

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it has no effect on my life. i don't care if ms or the government knows that i ordered a pizza last friday. i don't care if they know whether i sit on the left or right side of the couch. this has been blown out of porportion and people are making mountains out of mole hills. do you really think that there's going to be people constantly monitoring you?

CaseyWegner

24/7 there's going to be a dedicated person watching what goes on in every single xbox one owner's living room?

not people, programs, its relatively easy to create a program that monitors certain activities or words. 

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] Only an idiot would say that. ShaineTheNerd

FYI, according to the article, Microsoft could have told the NSA to go fvck themselves and to bring a court order before anything, but they didn't, and that says a lot of things about them.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"] This PRISM/Snowden leak incident LITERALLY just proved that there are people constantly monitoring you.Krelian-co

24/7 there's going to be a dedicated person watching what goes on in every single xbox one owner's living room?

not people, programs, its relatively easy to create a program that monitors certain activities or words. 

the way people talk here it seems like they think it's people that are watching them on a monitor...popcorn and everything.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

24/7 there's going to be a dedicated person watching what goes on in every single xbox one owner's living room?

CaseyWegner

not people, programs, its relatively easy to create a program that monitors certain activities or words. 

the way people talk here it seems like they think it's people that are watching them on a monitor...popcorn and everything.

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

CaseyWegner

Absolutely. The whole thing makes the required kinect for the XB1 seem even more creepy. I'm sure as shit never getting an XB1, and this is one of the biggest reasons. If either of my roommates gets one, I'm not letting them set it up in the living room. They can have that bullshit in their room. 

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Not my thing to have superpower governments watch me all the time, but to each his own.

Victorious_Fize

FYI, according to the article, Microsoft could have told the NSA to go fvck themselves and to bring a court order before anything, but they didn't, and that says a lot of things about them.

Skype calls were monitored way before the Microsoft acquisition, homie. And again, that's the same thing as what Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc. are doing. All calls, all texts, all emails. It's all monitored, yet Microsoft is being attack for doing it. It was announced a while back that all calls and texts on a Verizon phone since April 27th were saved, but close to no hate on Verizon. This is all overblown cowshit.Microsoft wants to get the information on how they are assisting the NSA out there. If they want it out there, it can't be bad. If they hid it, without the command of the NSA, that's when you would need to be worried.

They could have told the NSA no -- sure. But they are probably helping them in a way far from what is assumed. Again, if they're trying to get permission to release the info, it can't be bad.

no matter how xbots want to put it, bringing home an always on camera and mic from a company that is known to recollect and give access to all data bout you is pretty stupid, but then again, xbots arent the brightest around.

My plan is to unplug the system when I'm not using it. It's not the Governments right to know what I do in the house that I pay for and I maintain. I don't want to feel like I am in a police state and that is basically what something like this leads towards. I hope they do away with this.

My stance is that it is illegal for a random man to just be peeping into my windows, so why should the Government be able to do it.

My plan is to unplug the system when I'm not using it. It's not the Governments right to know what I do in the house that I pay for and I maintain. I don't want to feel like I am in a police state and that is basically what something like this leads towards. I hope they do away with this.

My stance is that it is illegal for a random man to just be peeping into my windows, so why should the Government be able to do it.

rockydog1111

Exactly. This is an atrocity and a violation of basic human rights and a violation of the fourth amendment. The argument (oh sorry "stance") of "I dont care" is utterly juvenile when it comes to matters like this. You don't see anyone in a political debate shrugging and saying "I dont care" about the holocaust (one of the worst atrocities comitted by a police state) and expect to be taken seriously. 

Thank god Casey is no longer a mod, the thought that that ignorant man possibly held power over this board, however arbitrary it is scares me, atleast GS higher mods have better judgement in these matters.

[QUOTE="rockydog1111"]

My plan is to unplug the system when I'm not using it. It's not the Governments right to know what I do in the house that I pay for and I maintain. I don't want to feel like I am in a police state and that is basically what something like this leads towards. I hope they do away with this.

My stance is that it is illegal for a random man to just be peeping into my windows, so why should the Government be able to do it.

ClassicRockFTW

Exactly. This is an atrocity and a violation of basic human rights and a violation of the fourth amendment. The argument (oh sorry "stance") of "I dont care" is utterly juvenile when it comes to matters like this. You don't see anyone in a political debate shrugging and saying "I dont care" about the holocaust (one of the worst atrocities comitted by a police state) and expect to be taken seriously. 

Thank god Casey is no longer a mod, the thought that that ignorant man possibly held power over this board, however arbitrary it is scares me, atleast GS higher mods have better judgement in these matters.

what do the two have to do with eachother? you can't handle somebody having a different opinion than you whereas i can.

I honestly still dont get why anyone would want to buy a more expenisve console that has worse specs? Do people really want that next-gen Kinect that badly? Dont say its the games either because none of those games are even released yet and could just as easily end up being huge turds just as much as Sonys lineup.

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

[QUOTE="rockydog1111"]

My plan is to unplug the system when I'm not using it. It's not the Governments right to know what I do in the house that I pay for and I maintain. I don't want to feel like I am in a police state and that is basically what something like this leads towards. I hope they do away with this.

My stance is that it is illegal for a random man to just be peeping into my windows, so why should the Government be able to do it.

CaseyWegner

Exactly. This is an atrocity and a violation of basic human rights and a violation of the fourth amendment. The argument (oh sorry "stance") of "I dont care" is utterly juvenile when it comes to matters like this. You don't see anyone in a political debate shrugging and saying "I dont care" about the holocaust (one of the worst atrocities comitted by a police state) and expect to be taken seriously. 

Thank god Casey is no longer a mod, the thought that that ignorant man possibly held power over this board, however arbitrary it is scares me, atleast GS higher mods have better judgement in these matters.

what do the two have to do with eachother? you can't handle somebody having a different opinion than you whereas i can.

>EBIN RESPONSE 10/10 MAXIMUM TROLLAGE LELZ xD

Do you honestly think not caring is the same as having a different opinion?

 And you also dodged the 20 or so replies various people have made on your troll post,  like a pro NFL player, epic dodging bro.

Oh wait, you're a troll, reported.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

Exactly. This is an atrocity and a violation of basic human rights and a violation of the fourth amendment. The argument (oh sorry "stance") of "I dont care" is utterly juvenile when it comes to matters like this. You don't see anyone in a political debate shrugging and saying "I dont care" about the holocaust (one of the worst atrocities comitted by a police state) and expect to be taken seriously. 

 

Thank god Casey is no longer a mod, the thought that that ignorant man possibly held power over this board, however arbitrary it is scares me, atleast GS higher mods have better judgement in these matters.

ClassicRockFTW

what do the two have to do with eachother? you can't handle somebody having a different opinion than you whereas i can.

>EBIN RESPONSE 10/10 MAXIMUM TROLLAGE LELZ xD

Do you honestly think not caring is the same as having a different opinion?

 And you also dodged the 20 or so replies various people have made on your troll post,  like a pro NFL player, epic dodging bro.

Oh wait, you're a troll, reported.

1. yes. how would it not be? :|

2. am i supposed to respond to every single post here even when there's not really anything to respond to?

3. even if i were a troll like you, that's allowed now so what's this "reported" nonsense all about? there's no longer even a trolling category to select. you might get dinged for abusive reporting.

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

what do the two have to do with eachother? you can't handle somebody having a different opinion than you whereas i can.

CaseyWegner

>EBIN RESPONSE 10/10 MAXIMUM TROLLAGE LELZ xD

Do you honestly think not caring is the same as having a different opinion?

 And you also dodged the 20 or so replies various people have made on your troll post,  like a pro NFL player, epic dodging bro.

Oh wait, you're a troll, reported.

1. yes. how would it not be? :|

2. am i supposed to respond to every single post here even when there's not really anything to respond to?

3. even if i were a troll like you, that's allowed now so what's this "reported" nonsense all about? there's no longer even a trolling category to select. you might get dinged for abusive reporting.

1. Nothing to contribute
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Stop spamming my thread with flamebaits. And emoticons, hah, what are you 12? Go back to reddit with the rest of the fedoracore cancer.

 

 

1. Nothing to contribute
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Stop spamming my thread with flamebaits. And emoticons, hah, what are you 12? Go back to reddit with the rest of the fedoracore cancer.

ClassicRockFTW

i address your points, you come back saying nothing, and accuse me of spamming your thread with nonsense? wow. not everybody is going to agree with your opinions. get over it.

I knew as soon as the NSA thing hit the fan that microsoft was screwed. They really got a bad hand this gen.

Xbone is a failure buh buh muh kinect :lol:heeweesRus

We agree for once. Be enlightened plebian.

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

 

 

1. Nothing to contribute
2. Nothing to contribute
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Stop spamming my thread with flamebaits. And emoticons, hah, what are you 12? Go back to reddit with the rest of the fedoracore cancer.

CaseyWegner

i address your points, you come back saying nothing, and accuse me of spamming your thread with nonsense? wow. not everybody is going to agree with your opinions. get over it.

 

But its not about having the exact same views, its about facts.

1. Fact is, a lot of people care about the USA and it's increasing surveillance. 
2. Fact is, a lot of people care about this Xbox/NSA/Surveillance debacle
3. Fact is, I dont care that you don't care
4. Fact is, this is violating the fourth amendment.

Those are four fundamental facts that you simply cannot deny.

Four fundamental facts that you have been tittering around with the weaksauce stance of "I DONT CARE LULZ"

 

 

ClassicRockFTW

You can't deny those facts, I don't give a flying fvck about your worthless opinion, but you keep acting like those aren't facts of which I and about 20 other System Warrios keep pointing out to you. Now tell me Casey, of those four which ones aren't facts? Get over those facts? LOL Why don't YOU get over the fact that no here in GS one cares about you nor respects you, get out of here and stop trolling Casey.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

i address your points, you come back saying nothing, and accuse me of spamming your thread with nonsense? wow. not everybody is going to agree with your opinions. get over it.

ClassicRockFTW

 

But its not about having the exact same views, its about facts.

1. Fact is, a lot of people care about the USA and it's increasing surveillance. 
2. Fact is, a lot of people care about this Xbox/NSA/Surveillance debacle
3. Fact is, I dont care that you don't care
4. Fact is, this is violating the fourth amendment.

Those are four fundamental facts that you simply cannot deny.

Four fundamental facts that you have been tittering around with the weaksauce stance of "I DONT CARE LULZ"

 

 

ClassicRockFTW

You can't deny those facts, I don't give a flying fvck about your worthless opinion, but you keep acting like those aren't facts of which I and about 20 other System Warrios keep pointing out to you. Now tell me Casey, of those four which ones aren't facts? Get over those facts? LOL Why don't YOU get over the fact that no here in GS one cares about you nor respects you, get out of here and stop trolling Casey.

when have i ever said they weren't facts? :|

nobody here respects me here? a huge number of posts and the system wars awards say otherwise. how am i trolling? you're the only one fitting that definition.

It surprises me how many still think this is a conspiracy theory & calling others idiots for believing in it, when Obama himself declared it as fact.

And equaly surprises me how many aren't getting the concept of personal privacy =/= illegal activity.

"why should you worry if you're not doing something wrong" is equally absured to "let me install a camera in your bathroom, why should you care if you're not doing something wrong".

The herd mentality level of intellect is really alarming in our society.

Now the Xbox One is being slammed hard for its always-on Kinect and mic, potentially letting the US government spy on everyone's houses at all times with no court order - a direct violation of the 4th amendment according to the ACLU.

  ClassicRockFTW

That is incredibly unlikely. 

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

CaseyWegner

What if your dad has a lapse in judgement and makes a poor joke about being a "won't say it cause the governement will track me."  Now he is in prison for ten years.

Don't beleive me? ? ?   Someone made a joke while playing Leauge of Legends and is now facing 10 years in prison.  Google it.

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

CaseyWegner

What if your dad has a lapse in judgement and makes a poor joke about being a "won't say it cause the governement will track me."  Now he is in prison for ten years.

Don't beleive me? ? ?   Someone made a joke while playing Leauge of Legends and is now facing 10 years in prison.  Google it.

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

 

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

 

But its not about having the exact same views, its about facts.

1. Fact is, a lot of people care about the USA and it's increasing surveillance. 
2. Fact is, a lot of people care about this Xbox/NSA/Surveillance debacle
3. Fact is, I dont care that you don't care
4. Fact is, this is violating the fourth amendment.

Those are four fundamental facts that you simply cannot deny.

Four fundamental facts that you have been tittering around with the weaksauce stance of "I DONT CARE LULZ"

 

 

CaseyWegner

You can't deny those facts, I don't give a flying fvck about your worthless opinion, but you keep acting like those aren't facts of which I and about 20 other System Warrios keep pointing out to you. Now tell me Casey, of those four which ones aren't facts? Get over those facts? LOL Why don't YOU get over the fact that no here in GS one cares about you nor respects you, get out of here and stop trolling Casey.

when have i ever said they weren't facts? :|

nobody here respects me here? a huge number of posts and the system wars awards say otherwise. how am i trolling? you're the only one fitting that definition.

It's your socratic discussion method.

It puts people on the defensive. They're not used to that.

It also made him a lot of friends and enemies. Check his Apology and you'll see: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/13726 or http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1656

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

does this really, truthfully bother anyone?

Jakejack

What if your dad has a lapse in judgement and makes a poor joke about being a "won't say it cause the governement will track me."  Now he is in prison for ten years.

Don't beleive me? ? ?   Someone made a joke while playing Leauge of Legends and is now facing 10 years in prison.  Google it.

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

Now the Xbox One is being slammed hard for its always-on Kinect and mic, potentially letting the US government spy on everyone's houses at all times with no court order - a direct violation of the 4th amendment according to the ACLU.

  meetroid8

That is incredibly unlikely. 

Incredibly unlikely things happen all the time. Almost every day in fact. Actually, I could point some that, sadly, happen every day.

Lol @ people saying who cares. Idk about you guys but If there was a possibility that someone was staring at you in your room watching you do everything and listening to you, you wouldn't be bothered? Does the "I don't have nothing to hide so idc about my privacy" still apply? Do you have curtains in your house? Do you lock your doors?Keiji993

you know it's not really that, right?

[QUOTE="Keiji993"]Lol @ people saying who cares. Idk about you guys but If there was a possibility that someone was staring at you in your room watching you do everything and listening to you, you wouldn't be bothered? Does the "I don't have nothing to hide so idc about my privacy" still apply? Do you have curtains in your house? Do you lock your doors?CaseyWegner

you know it's not really that, right?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Keiji993"]Lol @ people saying who cares. Idk about you guys but If there was a possibility that someone was staring at you in your room watching you do everything and listening to you, you wouldn't be bothered? Does the "I don't have nothing to hide so idc about my privacy" still apply? Do you have curtains in your house? Do you lock your doors?carljohnson3456

you know it's not really that, right?

i don't think it's been disclosed what they do.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you know it's not really that, right?

CaseyWegner

i don't think it's been disclosed what they do.

You can disable Kinect, but MS PR is too dumb to shut you up with fool proof tutorials. But, I think it is time for them to make sure it can be disconnected entirely, the bashing the is annoying enough for me to agree the change needs to be made.magicalclick

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you know it's not really that, right?

CaseyWegner

i don't think it's been disclosed what they do.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] But if I'm not mistaken, at any time, they could tap into your Kinect and watch right? Or listen in? carljohnson3456

i don't think it's been disclosed what they do.

because it would take millions of people to monitor everyone.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i don't think it's been disclosed what they do.

CaseyWegner

because it would take millions of people to monitor everyone.