Xbox One uses Bonaire entry-level GPU, PS4 uses Pitcairn midrange GPU

It's gonna be a long 8 years for lemmings..gpuking

lol why cows always said that ps4 $100 cheaper when xbox one came with kinect that device it self worth $200

lol why cows always said that ps4 $100 cheaper when xbox one came with kinect that device it self worth $200

nyzma23

WTF is kinect?

lol why cows always said that ps4 $100 cheaper when xbox one came with kinect that device it self worth $200

nyzma23

Both GPUs based of 7790, with the Xbox having lesser CU to accomodate the ESRAM

Both GPUs based of 7790, with the Xbox having lesser CU to accomodate the ESRAM

Scipio8

LOL WAT?

Go home, you are drunk mastercheif.

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

lol why cows always said that ps4 $100 cheaper when xbox one came with kinect that device it self worth $200

silversix_

lol i wants it and my family wants it ,is that what consoles purpose is a family entertament

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

lol why cows always said that ps4 $100 cheaper when xbox one came with kinect that device it self worth $200

silversix_

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]the PS4 is more powerful on paper but you can't compare individual parts in a console. Doesn't work that way.shadiezz2012

wasn't my point.  My point is that comparing benchmarks of just their GPU counterparts is not an accurate way to judge the power difference.  We all know the PS4 is more powerful no one but a deranged lemming would argue that.  How much more powerful we don't know.

PS4 hardware is factually more powerful, now!

PS4 hardware is factually more powerful, now!

PAL360

[QUOTE="badb0y"]

First, the person comparing the GTX 680 to a GTX 670 and coming to the conclusion that the PS4 and Xbox One would have a similar disparity in performance because of the difference in teraflops is wrong. The GTX 680 and GTX 670 are based off of the same GK104 chip so everything on these chips are exactly the same except the core clock and the texture units/stream processors. The PS4's GPU on the other hand is based of off "Pitcairn" which is the chip used in HD 7850/7870s while the Xbox One's GPU is based off of "Bonaire" which is a chip used in the HD 7790s. So what does that mean in layman's terms? The chip used as a reference for the Xbox One's GPU is a mainstream part while the chip used in the PS4 is part of the enthusiast class GPUs.

To get a better understanding of the disparity in power here, take a look at Anandtech's fantastic benchmark suite: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/776?vs=857

PinkiePirate

If you take a look at those benchmarks, it looks like the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The comparable GPUs found in PCs show a 10-15 FPS lead over the other. And it makes sense. The PS4 has twice the fillrate power and 50% more raw shading performance. Should be a no brainer.

On benchmarks, Radeon HD 8870M beats Radeon HD 7770M

8870M has 640 stream processors, 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 8 Color ROP Units @ 725 Mhz with 775Mhz Turbo. 1125Mhz GDDR5.

7770M has 512 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 675Mhz. 1000Mhz GDDR5.

In Battefield 3, 8870M is 10 percent less than desktop 7770. Desktop 7770 has 640 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 1Ghz.

My point,

1. ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

OR

2. AMD made some improvements for 8870M's ROPs.

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

[QUOTE="badb0y"]

First, the person comparing the GTX 680 to a GTX 670 and coming to the conclusion that the PS4 and Xbox One would have a similar disparity in performance because of the difference in teraflops is wrong. The GTX 680 and GTX 670 are based off of the same GK104 chip so everything on these chips are exactly the same except the core clock and the texture units/stream processors. The PS4's GPU on the other hand is based of off "Pitcairn" which is the chip used in HD 7850/7870s while the Xbox One's GPU is based off of "Bonaire" which is a chip used in the HD 7790s. So what does that mean in layman's terms? The chip used as a reference for the Xbox One's GPU is a mainstream part while the chip used in the PS4 is part of the enthusiast class GPUs.

To get a better understanding of the disparity in power here, take a look at Anandtech's fantastic benchmark suite: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/776?vs=857

ronvalencia

If you take a look at those benchmarks, it looks like the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The comparable GPUs found in PCs show a 10-15 FPS lead over the other. And it makes sense. The PS4 has twice the fillrate power and 50% more raw shading performance. Should be a no brainer.

On benchmarks, Radeon HD 8870M beats Radeon HD 7770M

8870M has 640 stream processors, 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 8 Color ROP Units @ 725 Mhz with 775Mhz Turbo. 1125Mhz GDDR5.

7770M has 512 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 675Mhz. 1000Mhz GDDR5.

My point, the ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

PS4 hardware is factually more powerful, now!

Heil68

Yep, hardware wise the difference seems to be as big as Xbox vs PS2. Pretty impressive, since PS4 is also easy to develop for!

This will be an interesting 'system war' :twisted:

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

PS4 hardware is factually more powerful, now!

Heil68

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

lol why cows always said that ps4 $100 cheaper when xbox one came with kinect that device it self worth $200

tdkmillsy

I think games will end up looking the same, just like last gen, maybe a slight edge with PS4 exclusives. Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

PS4 hardware is factually more powerful, now!

PAL360

Yep, hardware wise the difference seems to be as big as Xbox vs PS2. Pretty impressive, since PS4 is also easy to develop for!

This will be an interesting 'system war' :twisted:

Both consoles are X86 with AMD jaguar CPU's, how is one easier to code for??

LOLOLOLOLOLOL :cool:

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Indeed, just look at the silence from the die hard lemmings. PS4 most powerful console in video game history, feels good, awwwww yeahhhh :cool: faizan_faizan

Yep, hardware wise the difference seems to be as big as Xbox vs PS2. Pretty impressive, since PS4 is also easy to develop for!

This will be an interesting 'system war' :twisted:

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

If you take a look at those benchmarks, it looks like the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The comparable GPUs found in PCs show a 10-15 FPS lead over the other. And it makes sense. The PS4 has twice the fillrate power and 50% more raw shading performance. Should be a no brainer.

legalize82

On benchmarks, Radeon HD 8870M beats Radeon HD 7770M

8870M has 640 stream processors, 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 8 Color ROP Units @ 725 Mhz with 775Mhz Turbo. 1125Mhz GDDR5.

7770M has 512 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 675Mhz. 1000Mhz GDDR5.

My point, the ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

Just reporting issues with GCN (Sea Islands) vs GCN (Southern Islands).

In Battlefield 3 (ultra details), 8870M is 10 precent less than desktop 7770. Desktop 7770 has 640 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 1Ghz. I can close the desktop 7770's gap with 1 Ghz OC.

My point,

1. ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

OR

2. AMD made some improvements for 8870M's ROPs.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Indeed, just look at the silence from the die hard lemmings. PS4 most powerful console in video game history, feels good, awwwww yeahhhh :cool: faizan_faizan

Yep, hardware wise the difference seems to be as big as Xbox vs PS2. Pretty impressive, since PS4 is also easy to develop for!

This will be an interesting 'system war' :twisted:

32 mb of eSRAM is okay if all you're aiming for are corridor shooters and linear hack-and-slash games.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Yep, hardware wise the difference seems to be as big as Xbox vs PS2. Pretty impressive, since PS4 is also easy to develop for!

This will be an interesting 'system war' :twisted:

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Yep, hardware wise the difference seems to be as big as Xbox vs PS2. Pretty impressive, since PS4 is also easy to develop for!

This will be an interesting 'system war' :twisted:

blue_hazy_basic

The PS1 was easy to develop for. SONY's plan to make their architecture complex was to drain up 3rd party finances so they didn't have enough budget to port to other consoles.

[QUOTE="legalize82"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

On benchmarks, Radeon HD 8870M beats Radeon HD 7770M

8870M has 640 stream processors, 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 8 Color ROP Units @ 725 Mhz with 775Mhz Turbo. 1125Mhz GDDR5.

7770M has 512 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 675Mhz. 1000Mhz GDDR5.

My point, the ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

ronvalencia

Just reporting issues with GCN (Sea Islands) vs GCN (Southern Islands).

In Battlefield 3, 8870M is 10 precent less than desktop 7770. Desktop 7770 has 640 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 1Ghz. I can close the desktop 7770's gap with 1 Ghz OC.

My point,

1. ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

OR

2. AMD made some improvements for 8870M's ROPs.

Both consoles are X86 with AMD jaguar CPU's, how is one easier to code for??

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL :cool:

AMD655

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="legalize82"] ofcourse ronvalencia on damage control legalize82

Just reporting issues with GCN (Sea Islands) vs GCN (Southern Islands).

In Battlefield 3, 8870M is 10 precent less than desktop 7770. Desktop 7770 has 640 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 1Ghz. I can close the desktop 7770's gap with 1 Ghz OC.

My point,

1. ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

OR

2. AMD made some improvements for 8870M's ROPs.

I'm just reporting notebookcheck.com's results and doing my own test on my 8870M

On tormentos

1. You can't get ROPS count right for post-AMD Radeon HD 5000s. Your "16 ROPS" for post-Radeon HD 5000 release shows that you don't know about AMD GPUs. Fuzzy approach to detail.

2. You don't even know the requirements for a unix like OS. Another fuzzy approach to detail.

3. You went against IBM's statement on SPE being "DSP like" processors. Another fuzzy approach to detail.

4. Please provide proof that I equated 7770 to X1. I have always disagreed with 7770 for X1 i.e. there's massive transistor hole with 5 billion transistor budget.

5. FirePro W5000 is actually closer to X1 i.e. matching "2 primitive per cycle", TMU count and memory bandwidth range.

6. JIT LZ/JPEG compression was reported by VGleaks. Any network architect would know the benefits with JIT compression/decompression. Your brain can't go beyond X1 and PS4 wars.

7. You attempted to use PS4's ZLib as X1's equivalent was shown to be stupid i.e. missed the LZ "compression" part. There are two sides with X1's JIT compression/decompression hardware i.e. it's not just decompression. The context was for boosting blu-ray loading. Another fuzzy approach to detail.

7. "GDDR5 having diminishing returns" was from http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/

8. "GDDR5 low effective bandwidth" was from Intel Corp. I then posted a graph which shows the effective 256bit GDDR5 bandwidth for a known Radeon HD 5870. Your brain can't go beyond X1 and PS4 wars.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] XBOX One is also easy to develop for, why are people believing otherwise?faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Its not that the XB1 has ever been thought hard to develop for, its just that (despite cows protesting otherwise) the playstation family has always been notoriously a pain do develop for. Sony learned its lesson (finally) and has made steps to change that at last with the PS4, removing a significant advantage that MS held previously.shawn30

Considering that the ONE is having trouble playing linear games with bad graphics and no destrcutibility (Ryse), I'd say InFamous: SS is impossible on the ONE.

People seem to forget the PS2 was severely underpowered and it still sold tons of systems. And people seem to forget that The Cell processor was supposed to blow away the Xbox 360, and it didn't. Keep ramping yourselves up for a eat cookies and cry weekend when the Xbox One actually sells system. Me I will be enjoying both systems.AshFromEvilDead

- PS2 was quite powerful when it came out. It was almost 2 years AFTER the PS2's release that the xbox came out. By then, SONY already had a 75% marketshare and had all the 3rd party exclusives. 

- The PS3 was hampered by a weak GPU and a split memory architecture. This time, the PS4 has no disadvantages against the ONE while the ONE has plenty of disadvantages against the PS4. 

Think of it like having a PC with an Intel Core i5, 4 GB of DDR3 RAM and an GTX 470 . You upgrade the PC to an Intel i5, 8 GB of DDR3 RAM at a higher clockspeed, and a GTX 680. Would you even say, "Real world performance is more important than theoretical performance, so the first option may still perform better than the 2nd option."? No. No one would say that. The 2nd option is straight up more powerful. It's an apples to apples comparison now.

- Price sells consoles. The PS4's preorder numbers are outpacing the ONE in the US, which is the xbox's strongest territory. In the UK, which is xbox's 2nd strongest territory, the PS4 is currently top 10 while the ONE is 70. Do you realize how significant this is? The ONE is most likely going to have a sales disaster and we actually might see the return of 3rd party exclusives.

[QUOTE="shawn30"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] Yep, it's the same reason why X360 multiplats were better the whole gen. Now since the PS4 and XBOX One are both easy to develop for, now the hardware will do the rest, PS4 is a lot stronger this time.Sonysexual1

Considering that the ONE is having trouble playing linear games with bad graphics and no destrcutibility (Ryse), I'd say InFamous: SS is impossible on the ONE.

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] But you still don't have any games that prove we're going to see a gigantic difference between the systems. That's the point. Specs are awesome and facts about the guts of the machine. But until the games are released its just figures on paper. And one thing we have seen in every gen is that every systems games start to look better as the years go buy and the devs figure out how to get the most out f them. I don't think you will; ever see a PS4 game and think to yourself it would be impossible to get that on the Xbox One unless its an exclusive Sony title.

shawn30

Considering that the ONE is having trouble playing linear games with bad graphics and no destrcutibility (Ryse), I'd say InFamous: SS is impossible on the ONE.

And? InFamous: SS is more technically advanced than all of them, including Forza 5.

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] But you still don't have any games that prove we're going to see a gigantic difference between the systems. That's the point. Specs are awesome and facts about the guts of the machine. But until the games are released its just figures on paper. And one thing we have seen in every gen is that every systems games start to look better as the years go buy and the devs figure out how to get the most out f them. I don't think you will; ever see a PS4 game and think to yourself it would be impossible to get that on the Xbox One unless its an exclusive Sony title.

shawn30

Considering that the ONE is having trouble playing linear games with bad graphics and no destrcutibility (Ryse), I'd say InFamous: SS is impossible on the ONE.

[QUOTE="legalize82"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Just reporting issues with GCN (Sea Islands) vs GCN (Southern Islands).

In Battlefield 3, 8870M is 10 precent less than desktop 7770. Desktop 7770 has 640 stream processors, 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units and 16 Color ROP Units @ 1Ghz. I can close the desktop 7770's gap with 1 Ghz OC.

My point,

1. ROP factors has less influence with modern DX11 titles.

OR

2. AMD made some improvements for 8870M's ROPs.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Its not that the XB1 has ever been thought hard to develop for, its just that (despite cows protesting otherwise) the playstation family has always been notoriously a pain do develop for. Sony learned its lesson (finally) and has made steps to change that at last with the PS4, removing a significant advantage that MS held previously.shawn30

Not too sure why cows are celebrating

both consoles look weak as 5hit 

its like bragging that your hyandai is faster than a civic 

Not too sure why cows are celebrating

both consoles look weak as 5hit 

its like bragging that your hyandai is faster than a civic 

 

Evo_nine

Not too sure why cows are celebrating

both consoles look weak as 5hit 

its like bragging that your hyandai is faster than a civic 

 

Evo_nine

exactly.  

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

Not too sure why cows are celebrating

both consoles look weak as 5hit 

its like bragging that your hyandai is faster than a civic 

 

legalize82

except the PS4 is more like a honda accord not a ferrari