Xenos vs. Hollywood vs. RSX

Which is the better GPU the 360's ATI Xenos,the Wii's Hollywood, or that RSX PS3

You do not have to include just graphics you could say Hollywood is the best because it has BC or something but personally I like the Xenos.

you are so walking into some legnthy posts about different architectures haha.

This again?

Ivoted Hollywood to be different.:twisted:

Hollywood of course. It was so awesome in the Gamecube that they decided to keep it for the next gen!

I jest.

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

PAL360

Are you kidding ??

the Wii gfx chip is called Hollywood ???

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

Banjo_Kongfooie

Are you kidding ??

the Wii gfx chip is called Hollywood ???

2mrw

I guess because it is like Hollywood productions with its amazing graphics lol j/k I personally like its name the best but the Xenos is the best

you are so walking into some legnthy posts about different architectures haha.

o0squishy0o

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

you are so walking into some legnthy posts about different architectures haha.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

Diviniuz

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

Banjo_Kongfooie

PS3´s CPU is indeed better than 360´s one just like 360´s GPU is better than PS3´s one. At the end both consoles are about the same

Xenos no doubt on paper and on its own. When its working with the complete system however... I wouldn't know, I am no programmer!

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

Banjo_Kongfooie

:| What, are you"lol"ing at? They were telling you the truth.

You say, you like the xenos better? WTH does that even mean? Gfx aren't like flavors of icecream, in the end the best graphics put out by xbox360 are inferior to what the PS3 is producing ,so you liking xenos better means absolutly nothing.

Tell me specifically what games on xbox360 make you like xenos graphics better? Even tho it dosen't matter because the best graphics out on consoles are games that use PS3's CPU (cell)and RSX together (your "lol" dosn't change that fact) and since the xenos in xbox360 together with it's CPU can't over come that combo, your post is ultimately...

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

hard_body79

:| What, are you"lol"ing at? They were telling you the truth.

You say, you like the xenos better? WTH does that even mean? Gfx aren't like flavors of icecream, in the end the best graphics put out by xbox360 are inferior to what the PS3 is producing ,so you liking xenos better means absolutly nothing.

Tell me specifically what games on xbox360 make you like xenos graphics better? Even tho it dosen't matter because the best graphics out on consoles are games that use PS3's CPU (cell)and RSX together (your "lol" dosn't change that fact) and since the xenos in xbox360 together with it's CPU can't over come that combo, your post is ultimately...

Would that be tech or artwork? Factor in Rage or Crysis 2.

Are you ready for a debate on Xbox 360 vs PS3?

Xenos, but they're all irrelevent by todays standards...

Xenos, but they're all irrelevent by todays standards...

WhenCicadasCry

haha I second that. MMM, AMD goodness :)

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

hard_body79

:| What, are you"lol"ing at? They were telling you the truth.

You say, you like the xenos better? WTH does that even mean? Gfx aren't like flavors of icecream, in the end the best graphics put out by xbox360 are inferior to what the PS3 is producing ,so you liking xenos better means absolutly nothing.

Tell me specifically what games on xbox360 make you like xenos graphics better? Even tho it dosen't matter because the best graphics out on consoles are games that use PS3's CPU (cell)and RSX together (your "lol" dosn't change that fact) and since the xenos in xbox360 together with it's CPU can't over come that combo, your post is ultimately...

So because this is running on the PC, that's all the PC is capable of?

Here's Crysis 2 running on the 360, and it technically as good as ANYTHING on the PS3. Collision particles, wind physics, GI, lighting, hell, even each particle emits it's own light.

>here's Crysis 2 running on the 360WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]>here's Crysis 2 running on the 360Diviniuz

The dev said it's either 360, or PC at 360 spec. They alternate between the 2 due to instability reasons. Those gifs I posted are 360 footage. The only true PC footage we've seen is the 3D trailer.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xenos! This is not even an opinion so i assume those who vote Hollywood or RSX, do it just for fun!

PAL360

PS3´s CPU is indeed better than 360´s one just like 360´s GPU is better than PS3´s one. At the end both consoles are about the same

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

PS3´s CPU is indeed better than 360´s one just like 360´s GPU is better than PS3´s one. At the end both consoles are about the same

WhenCicadasCry

Miles? :? They look great, but nothing the 360 isn't capable of. If you honestly think the 360 couldn't run Killzone, or UC2, then Sony did their job with brainwashing. :roll:

To be fair, the 360 can't run Killzone and UC2 etc... because they were programmed for the ps3 :P . haha but yeah, if they were built from the ground up on the 360 you would get very similar results.

I vote my SVGA Hercules card taht I had in my 25mhz 386. Pumping out the pixles :Ptrasherhead

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]I vote my SVGA Hercules card taht I had in my 25mhz 386. Pumping out the pixles :Pronvalencia

Ok, it's game on then.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]I vote my SVGA Hercules card taht I had in my 25mhz 386. Pumping out the pixles :Ptrasherhead

If 6 SPEs = "3 Xenos GPUs", how come ATI Radeon HD 1950 smashes PS3 CELL almost twice over on Fold @ Home?

Where's G71 SLI killing PS3 Quake III benchmark scores (OpenGL on SPEs)?

On http://research.scea.com/ps3_deferred_shading.pdf

5 SPEs just under G70 on deferred pixel rendering. Where your CELL = "3 Xenos GPU"? Remember "Xenos" refers to the ATI's GpGPU.

If 6 SPEs = "3 Xenos GPUs", why bother with RSX/G70 at all? I recall the initial PS3 was all about CELL and later it would not be enough against "one trick pony" NVIDIA and ATI.

Are you claiming CELL = 3 G70 in SLI mode? This is BS and you know it.

I have already debated with Nicko in amigaworld.net and amiga.org. Unlike RSX/Geforce 7, ATI Xenos is not "just" a GPU.

For example, on the subject on

1. architectural registers, X86-64 has architectural registers count similar to another RISC ISA it's called ARM.

2. Intel Itanium, refer to Intel Core 2.

On Xbox 360 vs PS3, David Shippy's statement factors in "The GPU is highly sophisticated in the Xbox 360". http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3904/processing_the_truth_an_interview_.php?page=3

"I'm going to have to answer with an 'it depends,'" laughs Shippy, after a pause. "Again, they're completely different models. So in the PS3, you've got this Cell chip which has massive parallel processing power, the PowerPC core, multiple SPU cores… it's got a GPU that is, in the model here, processing more in the Cell chip and less in the GPU. So that's one processing paradigm -- a heterogeneous paradigm."

"With the Xbox 360, you've got more of a traditional multi-core system, and you've got three PowerPC cores, each of them having dual threads -- so you've got six threads running there, at least in the CPU. Six threads in Xbox 360, and eight or nine threads in the PS3 -- but then you've got to factor in the GPU," Shippy explains. "The GPU is highly sophisticated in the Xbox 360."

He concludes: "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal, even though they're completely different processing models."

Let's see 4 SPEs matches ATI's Tessellation hardware i.e. SPEs are not hardwired for Tessellation. You then have RSX's vertex shader bottlenecks.

Examples,

1. RSX doesn't support DX10's 3DC+ texture compression.

2. RSX doesn't have decoupled pixel shader and texture unit design i.e. causes a pixel shader to stall during a texture fetch.

3. RSX doesn't have unified shaders for vertex shading. "Unified shaders" combines vertex shader and pixel instruction sets.

4. RSX's MSAA hardware doesn't have HDR FP support.

5. RSX doesn't have Tessellation (Geometry) hardware.

6. RSX doesn't have competent Early-Z cull hardware.

7. RSX doesn't have competent shader branch unit hardware.

8. RSX doesn't have ATI's memport hardware. Useful with vertex shader programs as with the capabilities to scatter and gather to and from system RAM the graphics processor suddenly becomes a very wide processor for general purpose floating point operations(1).1. http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/4/10

With the capability to fetch from anywhere in memory, perform arbitrary ALU operations and write the results back to memory, in conjunction with the raw floating point performance of the large shader ALU array, the MEMEXPORT facility does have the capability to achieve a wide range of fairly complex and general purpose operations; basically any operation that can be mapped to a wide SIMD array can be fairly efficiently achieved and in comparison to previous graphics pipelines it is achieved in fewer cycles and with lower latencies. For instance, this is probably the first time that general purpose physics calculation would be achievable, with a reasonable degree of success, on a graphics processor and is a big step towards the graphics processor becoming much more like a vector co-processor to the CPU.

You going to have alot of workarounds for the 6 SPEs.

I vote my SVGA Hercules card taht I had in my 25mhz 386. Pumping out the pixles :Ptrasherhead

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]>here's Crysis 2 running on the 360Diviniuz

DF said today that they only showed 360 version on E3 and they even showed it in 3D behind closed doors.On topic,XENOS without doubt.Its better than both of those combined and then much more...

Xenos. In order for the RSX to compete it needs help from the Cell. And Hollywood...well I don't know why this is here.

RSX is outclassed by Xenos in multiple ways, but with consoles it's all about how the whole system works together. The SPU's are a gift that keeps on giving when you put in the effort required to make them work with your data, and Sony first party has no shortage if awesome programmers that know how to do it. Xenos probably has a lot of untapped potential, but not a lot of people are really working to use it.

RSX is outclassed by Xenos in multiple ways, but with consoles it's all about how the whole system works together. The SPU's are a gift that keeps on giving when you put in the effort required to make them work with your data, and Sony first party has no shortage if awesome programmers that know how to do it. Xenos probably has a lot of untapped potential, but not a lot of people are really working to use it.

Teufelhuhn

These videos completely explain the differences imbetween the PS3's and 360's graphic capabillities. And the videos will describe it in a way the average person can understand. Though with generic GPU comparisons the Xenos>RSX. PS3 with cell and RSX working together in a real game like experience is close to the 360's graphics but is better and worse graphically wise in different aspects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw0NMjnhapE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WJJ1DVj8o&feature=channel

Tigerrus

You can't compare Mhz for Mhz between NVIDIA RSX and ATI Xenos.

For example, NVIDIA RSX or Geforce 7 has this issue.

Notice G7X's math/pixel shader's stalls during texture operations.

One programmer that posts on b3d posted so many things that spus have to do to keep up with xenos among those unified shaders,"free" MSAA,transparencies,big bandwidth...

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

RSX is outclassed by Xenos in multiple ways, but with consoles it's all about how the whole system works together. The SPU's are a gift that keeps on giving when you put in the effort required to make them work with your data, and Sony first party has no shortage if awesome programmers that know how to do it. Xenos probably has a lot of untapped potential, but not a lot of people are really working to use it.

Tigerrus

In basic terms, 5770 is just DX11 version of ex-flagchip 4850/4870.

DICE's Frostbite 2.0 engine in DX11 (PC) mode is going to use ComputeShaders(CS) 5.0 for it's deferred rendering. From MS SDK DX11 examples, CS5 examples are faster than non-CS5 examples.

Imagine if just one of the modern GPUs was put to their max potential. The "modest" ATI HD 5770 would blow all of these console's GPUs out of the water combinded. Tigerrus

[QUOTE="Tigerrus"]These videos completely explain the differences imbetween the PS3's and 360's graphic capabillities. And the videos will describe it in a way the average person can understand. Though with generic GPU comparisons the Xenos>RSX. PS3 with cell and RSX working together in a real game like experience is close to the 360's graphics but is better and worse graphically wise in different aspects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw0NMjnhapE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WJJ1DVj8o&feature=channelsavagetwinkie

One programmer that posts on b3d posted so many things that spus have to do to keep up with xenos among those unified shaders,"free" MSAA,transparencies,big bandwidth...

Bus-A-Bus

Yeah most PS3 games do the majority of their vertex processing on the SPU, since RSX is so bad it. RSX is pretty bad with transparents too, but there's not much Cell can do to help that.