You know Sony is in trouble when THEY'VE swayed me to the 360.

Just as the topic title states, Sony is in trouble. Why? Because Sony themselves have swayed me to the 360 this generation. ME of all people, a cow since as long as I can remember (when the PSX released). And believe me, it wasn't Microsoft who swayed me. It wasn't Bioshock. It wasn't Gears. It wasn't any of that. It's been Sony's own actions that have caused me to lose faith and abandon my cow brethern and run to the lemming pack. Make no mistake though, I'm not a lemming. Far from it actually. I point out Microsoft's faults as well, they don't get a free pass when it comes to the plethora of issues such as hardware problems, tons of microtransations, not enough actual EXCLUSIVE titles that aren't on the PC.

But what really upsets me is that Sony built a console with almost NOTHING going for it when it comes to appealing to developers save for the Blu-Ray disc capacity. And even that can be a problem considering the fact that it's accompanied by longer load times.

Think about it...

-Cell/RSX's complex and unorthodox architecture require refined coding techniques that developers have to LEARN while Microsoft has provided architecture that works similar to a PC allowing games to be made easier. This results in longer loading times and higher production costs

-Sony has priced their product MUCH higher than the competition (in fact, you can buy an Xbox 360 and Wii for less than a PS3). This means less people will be able to afford the games even if they have a PS3 and will be wary on which ones to choose.

-Sony's install base is the lowest of all the next-gen consoles meaning the greatest chance of floppage sales wise results in money lost.

I think some people have forgotten that the gaming industry, like everything else, is about making MONEY. Developers aren't busting their asses for years to make a great game for you to play and that's it, they want it to sell boat loads.

Why would a developer want to take such financial risk and pick the worst candidate (in their eyes) to make exclusive games for? Maybe this is why so many multiplat games are being delayed on the PS3 or outright canned altogether? Maybe this is why Sony has lost so much exclusivity?

Financially, it makes sense when you put yourself in the shoes of the developer and we as gamers benefit from developers' trust and faith in a console. Every gaming system is only as good as the games that are on it and developers are the people who make the games. Developers ultimately dictate whether a console falls flat on its face or succeedes and at this point, Sony has done just about every possible to make developers LOSE faith in them.

I can go on and on but I'm just so disappointed at this point. The PS3 really has potential, however, slowly but surely it seems that the potential will never fully be utilized. Hopefully Sony can pull through.

I have had hundreds of hours of great playtime on the 360 and hope in the future PS3 can match it.

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

dont care blog thistaikthebate

well why did you come in here.

Just as the topic title states, Sony is in trouble. Why? Because Sony themselves have swayed me to the 360 this generation. ME of all people, a cow since as long as I can remember (when the PSX released). And believe me, it wasn't Microsoft who swayed me. It wasn't Bioshock. It wasn't Gears. It wasn't any of that. It's been Sony's own actions that have caused me to lose faith and abandon my cow brethern and run to the lemming pack. Make no mistake though, I'm not a lemming. Far from it actually. I point out Microsoft's faults as well, they don't get a free pass when it comes to the plethora of issues such as hardware problems, tons of microtransations, not enough actual EXCLUSIVE titles that aren't on the PC.

But what really upsets me is that Soy built a console with almost NOTHING going for it when it comes to appealing to developers save for the Blu-Ray disc capacity. And even that can be a problem considering the fact that it's accompanied by longer load times.

Think about it...

-Cell/RSX's complex and unorthodox architecture require refined coding techniques that developers have to LEARN while Microsoft has provided architecture that works similar to a PC allowing games to be made easier.

-Sony has priced their product MUCH higher than the competition (in fact, you can buy an Xbox 360 and Wii for less than a PS3).

-Sony's install base is the lowest of all the next-gen consoles

Why would a developer want to take such financial risk and pick the worst candidate (in their eyes) to make exclusive games for? Maybe this is why so many multiplat games are being delayed on the PS3 or outright canned altogether? Maybe this is why Sony has lost so much exclusivity?

Financially, it makes sense when you put yourself in the shoes of the developer and we as gamers benefit from developers' trust and faith in a console. Every gaming system is only as good as the games that are on it and developers are the people who make the games. Developers ultimately dictate whether a console falls flat on its face or succeedes and at this point, Sony has done just about every possible to make developers LOSE faith in them.

I can go on and on but I'm just so disappointed at this point. The PS3 really has potential, however, slowly but surely it seems that the potential will never fully be utilized. Hopefully Sony can pull through.

SergeantSnitch

took you long enough ya big idiot

lol is this the second time im gonna try to save someone from a suspension today?

thats flaming buddy rocktimusprime

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

the-very-best

Wait for E3

Wait for Lair

Wait for 08

Wait for MGS

Wait for Heavenly Sword

Wait, Wait, Wait... Flop, Flop, Flop.

I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.HermitCommando

Yes, actually I can, and on every DVD player in the world. That was silly.

I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.HermitCommando

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"]I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.SpruceCaboose

Yes, actually I can, and on every DVD player in the world. That was silly.

and on UMD.

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"]I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.SpruceCaboose

Yes, actually I can, and on every DVD player in the world. That was silly.

I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.HermitCommando

i dont buy consoles to watch movies. i dont know about others, but thats just me.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

HermitCommando

Basically.

I'm buying one in 2008 for games like MGSIV, FFXIII, GT5, GTAIV etc.

Just as the topic title states, Sony is in trouble. Why? Because Sony themselves have swayed me to the 360 this generation. ME of all people, a cow since as long as I can remember (when the PSX released). And believe me, it wasn't Microsoft who swayed me. It wasn't Bioshock. It wasn't Gears. It wasn't any of that. It's been Sony's own actions that have caused me to lose faith and abandon my cow brethern and run to the lemming pack. Make no mistake though, I'm not a lemming. Far from it actually. I point out Microsoft's faults as well, they don't get a free pass when it comes to the plethora of issues such as hardware problems, tons of microtransations, not enough actual EXCLUSIVE titles that aren't on the PC.

But what really upsets me is that Sony built a console with almost NOTHING going for it when it comes to appealing to developers save for the Blu-Ray disc capacity. And even that can be a problem considering the fact that it's accompanied by longer load times.

Think about it...

-Cell/RSX's complex and unorthodox architecture require refined coding techniques that developers have to LEARN while Microsoft has provided architecture that works similar to a PC allowing games to be made easier. This results in longer loading times and higher production costs

-Sony has priced their product MUCH higher than the competition (in fact, you can buy an Xbox 360 and Wii for less than a PS3). This means less people will be able to afford the games even if they have a PS3 and will be wary on which ones to choose.

-Sony's install base is the lowest of all the next-gen consoles meaning the greatest chance of floppage sales wise results in money lost.

I think some people have forgotten that the gaming industry, like everything else, is about making MONEY. Developers aren't busting their asses for years to make a great game for you to play and that's it, they want it to sell boat loads.

Why would a developer want to take such financial risk and pick the worst candidate (in their eyes) to make exclusive games for? Maybe this is why so many multiplat games are being delayed on the PS3 or outright canned altogether? Maybe this is why Sony has lost so much exclusivity?

Financially, it makes sense when you put yourself in the shoes of the developer and we as gamers benefit from developers' trust and faith in a console. Every gaming system is only as good as the games that are on it and developers are the people who make the games. Developers ultimately dictate whether a console falls flat on its face or succeedes and at this point, Sony has done just about every possible to make developers LOSE faith in them.

I can go on and on but I'm just so disappointed at this point. The PS3 really has potential, however, slowly but surely it seems that the potential will never fully be utilized. Hopefully Sony can pull through.

SergeantSnitch

Yup I lost my faith in Sony and the PS3 way way before this. Getting the 360 and Wii was the best choice I could of have made I have no regrets on not getting a PS3 and waiting for its "amazing" games to come out.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

HermitCommando

Wait for E3

Wait for Lair

Wait for 08

Wait for MGS

Wait for Heavenly Sword

Wait, Wait, Wait... Flop, Flop, Flop.

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.HermitCommando

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

-Renegade

The 360 also has games coming in 2008...

Anyone who says that any system is flawless is lying to themselves. Anyone who says any system is dead/dying/worthless is lying to themselves.

Wake up and game, not nit-pick about any of them. THey all do have great games, and they all will keep getting great games (along with plenty of terrible ones too)!

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

-Renegade

Wait for E3

Wait for Lair

Wait for 08

Wait for MGS

Wait for Heavenly Sword

Wait, Wait, Wait... Flop, Flop, Flop.

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

the-very-best

After a full year, it's no longer called "having a rocky start"... It's called a good portion of this system's life being a waste of consumer money.AfterShafter

I don't think it's worth the money yet either. Why I don't own one.

Having said that, there's too many good looking titles coming in the future to pass up.

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"]I don't know why you're complaining. Can you watch Hitch on 360? How about 300? PS3: worth every cent.getyeryayasout

WOW! I'll be trading in my 360 and all my games tomorrow. Hitch on Blu-ray?! I'm picking up two PS3's and two copies of Hitch and watching them both at the same time.

It's like I was blind and now I can see.

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

-Renegade

Wait for E3

Wait for Lair

Wait for 08

Wait for MGS

Wait for Heavenly Sword

Wait, Wait, Wait... Flop, Flop, Flop.

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

Second, you guys always say this... years ago, when 360 launched, you said "wait for PS3, it's going to destory 360"

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for E3, Sony will strike back."

Then after that flop, you then said "Wait for TGS, Sony will win."

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for Resistance, Halo Killer."

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for Motorstorm, will sell millions."

Then after thta flop, you said "Wait for Lair, Gears Killer."

Then after that flop, now you say "Wait for '08"

Do you see the pattern?

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

SpruceCaboose

The 360 also has games coming in 2008...

Anyone who says that any system is flawless is lying to themselves. Anyone who says any system is dead/dying/worthless is lying to themselves.

Wake up and game, not nit-pick about any of them. THey all do have great games, and they all will keep getting great games (along with plenty of terrible ones too)!

i never said it didn't but why would i waste my time with a system where 95% of the games are not even exclusive to it and all the interesting ones to me can be had on another platform where it has alot more interesting games.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

AfterShafter

if we were at that point this comment would be valid.

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

the-very-best

Basically.

I'm buying one in 2008 for games like MGSIV, FFXIII, GT5, GTAIV etc.

i never said it didn't but why would i waste my time with a system where 95% of the games are not even exclusive to it and all the interesting ones to me can be had on another platform where it has alot more interesting games.

-Renegade

At least it has games this generation so far. The Playstation brand has the PS2 holding it up at this stage. I am helping your side. Don't make this a me vs you thing when I am on your side.

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

-Renegade

if we were at that point this comment would be valid.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="HermitCommando"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

HermitCommando

Wait for E3

Wait for Lair

Wait for 08

Wait for MGS

Wait for Heavenly Sword

Wait, Wait, Wait... Flop, Flop, Flop.

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

Second, you guys always say this... years ago, when 360 launched, you said "wait for PS3, it's going to destory 360"

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for E3, Sony will strike back."

Then after that flop, you then said "Wait for TGS, Sony will win."

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for Resistance, Halo Killer."

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for Motorstorm, will sell millions."

Then after thta flop, you said "Wait for Lair, Gears Killer."

Then after that flop, now you say "Wait for '08"

Do you see the pattern?

....

sony had an amazing e3 best of the 3...

tgs will be more of the same as they will have 40 playable games and 50 new trailers.

motorstorm and resistance did sale millions two best selling ps3 games right now.

only reason we said wait until 08 was because all the big games that we thought were coming this year got pushed back like gta 4, mgs 4, and ffxiii. do you see the problem with your post?

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

-Renegade

if we were at that point this comment would be valid.

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Just as the topic title states, Sony is in trouble. Why? Because Sony themselves have swayed me to the 360 this generation. ME of all people, a cow since as long as I can remember (when the PSX released). And believe me, it wasn't Microsoft who swayed me. It wasn't Bioshock. It wasn't Gears. It wasn't any of that. It's been Sony's own actions that have caused me to lose faith and abandon my cow brethern and run to the lemming pack. Make no mistake though, I'm not a lemming. Far from it actually. I point out Microsoft's faults as well, they don't get a free pass when it comes to the plethora of issues such as hardware problems, tons of microtransations, not enough actual EXCLUSIVE titles that aren't on the PC.

But what really upsets me is that Soy built a console with almost NOTHING going for it when it comes to appealing to developers save for the Blu-Ray disc capacity. And even that can be a problem considering the fact that it's accompanied by longer load times.

Think about it...

-Cell/RSX's complex and unorthodox architecture require refined coding techniques that developers have to LEARN while Microsoft has provided architecture that works similar to a PC allowing games to be made easier.

-Sony has priced their product MUCH higher than the competition (in fact, you can buy an Xbox 360 and Wii for less than a PS3).

-Sony's install base is the lowest of all the next-gen consoles

Why would a developer want to take such financial risk and pick the worst candidate (in their eyes) to make exclusive games for? Maybe this is why so many multiplat games are being delayed on the PS3 or outright canned altogether? Maybe this is why Sony has lost so much exclusivity?

Financially, it makes sense when you put yourself in the shoes of the developer and we as gamers benefit from developers' trust and faith in a console. Every gaming system is only as good as the games that are on it and developers are the people who make the games. Developers ultimately dictate whether a console falls flat on its face or succeedes and at this point, Sony has done just about every possible to make developers LOSE faith in them.

I can go on and on but I'm just so disappointed at this point. The PS3 really has potential, however, slowly but surely it seems that the potential will never fully be utilized. Hopefully Sony can pull through.

rocktimusprime

took you long enough ya big sexy man

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="HermitCommando"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It has a nice lineup in the future, but it has gotten off to a rocky start. I think Sony is worried that if they lower the price of the PS3 too much, PS2 sales will suffer. And they're probably right.

Having said that, they'll need to drop the PS3 price considerably in 2008, because there is a plethora of standout titles arriving next year for the system, so it's going to be a big year, and I think everyone will change their opinions on Sony fairly quickly.

-Renegade

Wait for E3

Wait for Lair

Wait for 08

Wait for MGS

Wait for Heavenly Sword

Wait, Wait, Wait... Flop, Flop, Flop.

when they come you will be singing a different tune. this is just too funny to me. next year the tides will turn and there will be alot less lemmings around.

Second, you guys always say this... years ago, when 360 launched, you said "wait for PS3, it's going to destory 360"

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for E3, Sony will strike back."

Then after that flop, you then said "Wait for TGS, Sony will win."

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for Resistance, Halo Killer."

Then after that flop, you said "Wait for Motorstorm, will sell millions."

Then after thta flop, you said "Wait for Lair, Gears Killer."

Then after that flop, now you say "Wait for '08"

Do you see the pattern?

....

sony had an amazing e3 best of the 3...

tgs will be more of the same as they will have 40 playable games and 50 new trailers.

motorstorm and resistance did sale millions two best selling ps3 games right now.

only reason we said wait until 08 was because all the big games that we thought were coming this year got pushed back like gta 4, mgs 4, and ffxiii. do you see the problem with your post?

Who had the best E3?

Edit* and I dont even feel like linking the combined sales of Motorstorm and Rfom but believe me it's no millions, combined they are around 1.2 or 1.3M.

snitch are you down for some halo 3 in few weeks?istreakforfood

[QUOTE="istreakforfood"]snitch are you down for some halo 3 in few weeks?SergeantSnitch

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

....

sony had an amazing e3 best of the 3...

tgs will be more of the same as they will have 40 playable games and 50 new trailers.

motorstorm and resistance did sale millions two best selling ps3 games right now.

only reason we said wait until 08 was because all the big games that we thought were coming this year got pushed back like gta 4, mgs 4, and ffxiii. do you see the problem with your post?

Riverwolf007

Who had the best E3?

Edit* and I dont even feel like linking the combined sales of Motorstorm and Rfom but believe me it's no millions, combined they are around 1.2 or 1.3M.

what? resistance has sold 2 million copies while motorstorm has reached 1 million i don't know where you got your numbers from... i would give you a link but i'm sure if you just did a quick search on google you could find the info yourself.

Sony doesn't give a **** about gaming, they just want peopl to buy blu-ray players. The use of the Cell processor is stone proof of what Sony had in mind this generation.

Just as the topic title states, Sony is in trouble. Why? Because Sony themselves have swayed me to the 360 this generation. ME of all people, a cow since as long as I can remember (when the PSX released). And believe me, it wasn't Microsoft who swayed me. It wasn't Bioshock. It wasn't Gears. It wasn't any of that. It's been Sony's own actions that have caused me to lose faith and abandon my cow brethern and run to the lemming pack. Make no mistake though, I'm not a lemming. Far from it actually. I point out Microsoft's faults as well, they don't get a free pass when it comes to the plethora of issues such as hardware problems, tons of microtransations, not enough actual EXCLUSIVE titles that aren't on the PC.

But what really upsets me is that Sony built a console with almost NOTHING going for it when it comes to appealing to developers save for the Blu-Ray disc capacity. And even that can be a problem considering the fact that it's accompanied by longer load times.

Think about it...

-Cell/RSX's complex and unorthodox architecture require refined coding techniques that developers have to LEARN while Microsoft has provided architecture that works similar to a PC allowing games to be made easier. This results in longer loading times and higher production costs

-Sony has priced their product MUCH higher than the competition (in fact, you can buy an Xbox 360 and Wii for less than a PS3). This means less people will be able to afford the games even if they have a PS3 and will be wary on which ones to choose.

-Sony's install base is the lowest of all the next-gen consoles meaning the greatest chance of floppage sales wise results in money lost.

I think some people have forgotten that the gaming industry, like everything else, is about making MONEY. Developers aren't busting their asses for years to make a great game for you to play and that's it, they want it to sell boat loads.

Why would a developer want to take such financial risk and pick the worst candidate (in their eyes) to make exclusive games for? Maybe this is why so many multiplat games are being delayed on the PS3 or outright canned altogether? Maybe this is why Sony has lost so much exclusivity?

Financially, it makes sense when you put yourself in the shoes of the developer and we as gamers benefit from developers' trust and faith in a console. Every gaming system is only as good as the games that are on it and developers are the people who make the games. Developers ultimately dictate whether a console falls flat on its face or succeedes and at this point, Sony has done just about every possible to make developers LOSE faith in them.

I can go on and on but I'm just so disappointed at this point. The PS3 really has potential, however, slowly but surely it seems that the potential will never fully be utilized. Hopefully Sony can pull through.

SergeantSnitch

you know sony dosnt care right? they still have a huge fan base that is either getting the ps3, or there waiting to get it.

[QUOTE="istreakforfood"]snitch are you down for some halo 3 in few weeks?SergeantSnitch

Sony doesn't give a **** about gaming, they just want peopl to buy blu-ray players. The use of the Cell processor is stone proof of what Sony had in mind this generation.

bluebrad1974

Last I checked, Sony made hella good money from the PS1 and PS2. I am sure they care about gaming alot.

[QUOTE="istreakforfood"]snitch are you down for some halo 3 in few weeks?SergeantSnitch

if you dont want to get it its cool. no worries if you arent into halo.