Zelda has to move with the times and increase its presentation and production.

I agree with some of that stuff. I do have one gripe..

What do you mean by darker?

Twilight Princess was a very dark storyline, sad, and just had a darker tone to it.

Majora's Mask was even darker in terms of the evil possessing some of the main NPC's in the game etc.

So, did you want the story do mean even darker than those 2 games?

It also needs to be HUGE. Around 100 hours gameplay with dungeons that take days of average playing to beat.-Sphere-

I disagree. Unless Zelda becomes way more of an RPG than the current action/adventure/rpg game it is, then 100 hours is way too long. I felt like Twilight was way too long and artificially dragged out to appease people who would wine about game length.

I disagree with your first point where you said "Link doesn't need to talk". Come on now, it's 2008... Link needs to be able to say more than just "HA!!!" "HUGH!!!" and "HEEYAHHHH!!!!!". Since he's the main character he should have at least some kind of voice and communication with other people. It's kind of sad in Zelda games when you walk around as Link talking to people like your family and your "girlfriend" and Link just stands there and doesn't say a word to them. Who would like a guy that never says a word?

Haha what if your girlfriend suddenly went mute, wouldn't that suck? Link needs a damn voice too! Someone needs to teach him some english.

wagexslave

-Orchestrate the music. And play the main theme at least once during the game. It's treason that both of these things didnt happen in TP

-Make Ganon a part of the story, not tacked on just so Link can fight Ganon in the end

-Lets get some more story on Zelda. Or better yet, how about some RE4-type switching of characters mid-battle?

-Make the world much more lively and dangerous

-Give us more to do so that its not just grinding palaces back to back

-No more stories of Light World/ Dark World. Its been done MANY times. Lets get an original story instead of just cutting corners with map development.

I want to see:
-greater difficulty
-more dungeons than just the usual 8
-more weapons and including uniquely design weapons for the WII controls
-more variety of bad guys and harder bad guys
-larger boss battles
-i want to actually die in this next one, not just fight and never lose more than 2 hearts
-Talking NPC characters (link must not talk, a la gordon freeman)
-Larger world
-Sidequests that matter, yes something important is gained from doing them
-Sidequests that are fun and not monotonos collection quests and take this to that quests
-Orchestrated music (must)
-worldly effects, ie: weather, day night, and even landscape altering effects
-LONG storyline with NO collecting triforce shards at the end
-dungeons need to be strung together instead of "ganon is lose, defeat the dungeons and then him for no reason"

and thats all i can think of right now.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

I disagree with your first point where you said "Link doesn't need to talk". Come on now, it's 2008... Link needs to be able to say more than just "HA!!!" "HUGH!!!" and "HEEYAHHHH!!!!!". Since he's the main character he should have at least some kind of voice and communication with other people. It's kind of sad in Zelda games when you walk around as Link talking to people like your family and your "girlfriend" and Link just stands there and doesn't say a word to them. Who would like a guy that never says a word?

Haha what if your girlfriend suddenly went mute, wouldn't that suck? Link needs a damn voice too! Someone needs to teach him some english.

Hewkii

Half-Life disagrees.

What it needs the most is a change of pace. Every single Zelda game involves going inot a dungeon, finding the big key, then getting a item and then beating the boss who has a weakness against said item.

What they need to do is take a page from Okami and mess around with some new gameplay mechanics. When they spend four years making an inferior remake of Ocarina of Time you know something needs to change.
foxhound_fox

They made a remake to oot?

But on a serious note TP is much better than OOT.

Nostalgia gets in the way of you guys thinking, I promise you if TP and OOt were released side by side today TP would be the higher rated game.

Just ask the people who never played OOT, played TP then played OOt and thought WTF.

And it needs to have explosions.

And guns.

I agree with some of that stuff. I do have one gripe..

What do you mean by darker?

Twilight Princess was a very dark storyline, sad, and just had a darker tone to it.

Majora's Mask was even darker in terms of the evil possessing some of the main NPC's in the game etc.

So, did you want the story do mean even darker than those 2 games?

sonic_spark

They made a remake to oot?

But on a serious note TP is much better than OOT.

Nostalgia gets in the way of you guys thinking, I promise you if TP and OOt were released side by side today TP would be the higher rated game.

Just ask the people who never played OOT, played TP then played OOt and thought WTF.

Marth6781

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]What it needs the most is a change of pace. Every single Zelda game involves going inot a dungeon, finding the big key, then getting a item and then beating the boss who has a weakness against said item.

What they need to do is take a page from Okami and mess around with some new gameplay mechanics. When they spend four years making an inferior remake of Ocarina of Time you know something needs to change.
Marth6781

They made a remake to oot?

But on a serious note TP is much better than OOT.

Nostalgia gets in the way of you guys thinking, I promise you if TP and OOt were released side by side today TP would be the higher rated game.

Just ask the people who never played OOT, played TP then played OOt and thought WTF.

Nintendo really put Zelda in a corner with TP... it's a great game, but it's too Ocarina of Time-ish.

Voice acting for NPCs and orchestrated music would be a great start... and Ganon could take a break this time, or at least play a less significant role.

I'm actually hoping for a playable Zelda in the next game to stir things up.

I want a better fighting system and maybe3 even a duck and cover system like the one used in the god-like game Gears of War. Imagine hiding behind a rock with your bow pulled back then leaning out and killing the enemy. Also, to add a little replay value to the game, I want to see some online multiplayer action with intense sword fights and some fun arrow sniping.-Sphere-

Music being live orchestra is most likely going to be happening in the next Zelda; there's no reason not to. Twilight Princess on the Wii was a Gamecube port, so it was understandable. No voice acting has started to bug me with Twilight Princess, so that would be a good idea, too. Boss battles boil down to finding a simple pattern and getting around it; that doesn't have to be completely changed, but at least make the pattern somewhat difficult to figure out and get around. The big glowing chest area is a bit of a giveaway, if you ask me.

But other than that, I really don't have a problem. And sorry, but to HELL with the darker story idea. Too many games today have dark stories; Zelda's not all rainbows and sunshine, but by God it's different and actually has some happy parts to it, which is more than so many of the games today can say. I'm very sick of depressing, grimy stories and Zelda doesn't have to become dark just because everyone else is doing it.

[QUOTE="-Sphere-"]I want a better fighting system and maybe3 even a duck and cover system like the one used in the god-like game Gears of War. Imagine hiding behind a rock with your bow pulled back then leaning out and killing the enemy. Also, to add a little replay value to the game, I want to see some online multiplayer action with intense sword fights and some fun arrow sniping.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="-Sphere-"]I want a better fighting system and maybe3 even a duck and cover system like the one used in the god-like game Gears of War. Imagine hiding behind a rock with your bow pulled back then leaning out and killing the enemy. Also, to add a little replay value to the game, I want to see some online multiplayer action with intense sword fights and some fun arrow sniping.foxhound_fox

lol imagining link with a chainsaw

[QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.too_much_eslim

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="-Sphere-"]I want a better fighting system and maybe3 even a duck and cover system like the one used in the god-like game Gears of War. Imagine hiding behind a rock with your bow pulled back then leaning out and killing the enemy. Also, to add a little replay value to the game, I want to see some online multiplayer action with intense sword fights and some fun arrow sniping.foxhound_fox

:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xD

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.super_mario_128

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xDsuper_mario_128

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.Shinobishyguy

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as already mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xDfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.super_mario_128

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.super_mario_128

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

you seem to be forgetting which game nabbed GOTY and is praised for revitalizing the platforming genre.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xDfoxhound_fox

Agreed. It's ironic that the two "juggernauts" (TP & GeoW) of that year were the least deserving of the GOTY award. >_>

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.too_much_eslim

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

I enjoyed Gears a lot though.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xDfoxhound_fox

What was the problem with Gears? It wasn't exactly original and its story was basically throwaway, but otherwise it was well put-together and enjoyable.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xDScaifism

What was the problem with TP? was well put-together and enjoyable.

Twilight princess.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If it gets the mario galaxy treatment, then it'll be a damn good game.Shinobishyguy

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

its alie though. SMG blows those game out of the water graphically. they didn't even try to put the same effort in the graphical department for those games as they did SMG.

SMG is the only game that looks stunning.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If it gets the mario galaxy treatment, then it'll be a damn good game.too_much_eslim

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

its alie though. SMG blows those game out of the water graphically. they didn't even try to put the same effort in the graphical department for those games as they did SMG.

SMG is the only game that looks stunning.

IYO

:|.

you seem to be forgetting which game nabbed GOTY and is praised for revitalizing the platforming genre.

Shinobishyguy

I think would be be "revitablizing 3-D Mario platformers", not the platforming genre. Because seriously, what future platformer is gonna be able to do the things Mario Galaxy did and not get pegged for ripping it off? Only a Mario game is going to be able to get away with doing those again without being criticized for it.

[QUOTE="Scaifism"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]:lol: I just remembered the Jeff jokes, post-TP review. "If TP had chainsaws it would've been a 10. Guaranteed!" xDMarth6781

What was the problem with Gears? It wasn't exactly original and its story was basically throwaway, but otherwise it was well put-together and enjoyable.

As was Twilight princess.

I think Nintendo should make the next zelda game HOWEVER THEY FRIKKIN WANT TO!Doctor-Salvador

They should just stop listening to their fans and just do what comes naturally to them.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If it gets the mario galaxy treatment, then it'll be a damn good game.Marth6781

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

its alie though. SMG blows those game out of the water graphically. they didn't even try to put the same effort in the graphical department for those games as they did SMG.

SMG is the only game that looks stunning.

IYO

What was the problem with Gears? It wasn't exactly original and its story was basically throwaway, but otherwise it was well put-together and enjoyable.Scaifism

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.Shinobishyguy

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

you seem to be forgetting which game nabbed GOTY and is praised for revitalizing the platforming genre.

Cool. Mario Galaxy is an amazing game, but hardly a masterpiece. Seriously, it's about as deep as a frying pan and has the replay value of a fat woman. :| Mario sacrificed any sort of story for fun, and it works for a while. Zelda is a game which requires a truly unique story and some decent storytelling. In fact, it needs some decent graphics aswell (not a bash on the Wii, because frankly I could care less for which system is "better"), because the scenery in TP was horrible. I'd actually be happy with cel-shading if the only alternative is the crud we got in TP.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If it gets the mario galaxy treatment, then it'll be a damn good game.too_much_eslim

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

its alie though. SMG blows those game out of the water graphically. they didn't even try to put the same effort in the graphical department for those games as they did SMG.

SMG is the only game that looks stunning.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I enjoyed Gears a lot though.foxhound_fox

While the story was really there You understod everything you was doing and why.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Moon_of_Majora"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Just give me a trading sequence (that was sadly omitted from Twilight Princess),and I'll be happy.super_mario_128

That shop thing with the weird kid was a trading sequence... sort of.

The armor you got from it was horrible, though, so I could understand that you erased it from your memory.

Agreed. The series has gone stale and it needs something, new and fresh to revitalise it.

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

you seem to be forgetting which game nabbed GOTY and is praised for revitalizing the platforming genre.

Cool. Mario Galaxy is an amazing game, but hardly a masterpiece.

considering that it has a whopping 97% and is right up there on the top ranked games of all time I'd say yes...it is a master piece as far as platformers go.

[QUOTE="Scaifism"]What was the problem with Gears? It wasn't exactly original and its story was basically throwaway, but otherwise it was well put-together and enjoyable.foxhound_fox

Well, it could have easily been Okami's lack of marketing. I wouldn't have heard of that game if I didn't look at websites about games. Same with Psychonauts. Publishers are afraid to advertise the games they're not sure will sell well, when in reality being afraid to advertise them is condemning them. Who knows? With some proper advertising, they might have sold well. Sure, Gears appeals to the mainstream but Microsoft basically made it a big deal themselves through marketing. If Okami had that kind of exposure, it might have sold decently at least.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If it gets the mario galaxy treatment, then it'll be a damn good game.Shinobishyguy

But still nothing truly breathtaking and awe-inspiring.

When I first played OoT and entered Hyrule Field for the first time, the camera immediately showed, what was then, the massive field in detail, immediately startling me with excitement and anticipation.

TP didn't do that and was very dull as a result. Not to mention, as "already" mentioned, the entire game was lifeless. The new game needs to be made from scratch - all past ideas and themes scrapped. It needs to be new; a wonderful breath of fresh air that the series desperately needs.

its alie though. SMG blows those game out of the water graphically. they didn't even try to put the same effort in the graphical department for those games as they did SMG.

SMG is the only game that looks stunning.

thats the problem. You are comparing it to crappy looking games that have been released. They look slightlly better than their gamecube counterparts. SMG destroys it gamecube counterpart.

I played single player at least 3 times an dits online is quite addicting. There isn't anything else out there like it. ALso it was a graphical treat and made people feel as though they were finally playing a next gen game.

While the story was really there You understod everything you was doing and why.

too_much_eslim