Zelda has to move with the times and increase its presentation and production.

All I think they need to do is somehow combined all the previous Zelda game into one, have each branch off each other. They should hire me, I have some interesting ideas. But no voice acting.ArisShadows

I'd also throw in a motorcycle with chainsaws sticking out the sides. And 1:1 sword combat with a bullet-time feature! And the whole soundtrack consisting of heavy metal!

I'd buy it.

it gives the game more depth and strategy. Nothing wrong with ambitious games. ALso TP boss battles were not funfor me. The only one I liked was when you had to defeat that dragon head riding on the top like device.too_much_eslim

And since TP was essentially my first 3D Zelda, I didn't have other boss fights to compare it to. I do know that the boss fights were some of the most memorable moments of this entire generation. It's all opinion I suppose. :P

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Damn....watch the quote chains guys... Shinobishyguy

what say you super mario 128?

1) I'm pretty sure he said "memorable game overall" to end our debate. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

2) You and him =/= the gaming population.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Damn....watch the quote chains guys... super_mario_128

what say you super mario 128?

1) I'm pretty sure he said "memorable game overall" to end our debate. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

2) You and him =/= the gaming population.

Must Haves:

- Voice overs (Zelda is such an animated world. Great VO would add so much to that.
- More sidequests
- New villain (I love Ganon, but a new villain would be fresh)
- Orchestrated music

Other than that Zelda is AMAZING gameplay wise.

I'm still not entirely clear how SMG came up in a debate about Zelda's production values. >_>MoldOnHold

Okay list, but we do not need voice acting. I like reading, actually.

What I think we need is a change in location. When I played TP, I knew what was coming when I walked into a new area. Between OOT, TP, WW,MM, and ALTTP their levels are predictable. You know what the mountain dungeon, the water dungeon, the forest dungeon, are going to be like. That was my problem with TP; Most of the dungeons were much like every other in the series. Some rocked the cazba(temple of time, the sky base, the russian house in the mountain thing, for instance), but most were redone from previous games. We need more of a futuristic/space setting, crazy crystal fantasy land setting, or just something where you have no idea what the dungeon is like when you go in.

Other than that, Nothing really needs to be improved. Combat could be made a bit more complex, but just increasing the difficulty would do the trick too. We do need masks though. I loved that bunny mask that made you go sonic speed.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]it gives the game more depth and strategy. Nothing wrong with ambitious games. ALso TP boss battles were not funfor me. The only one I liked was when you had to defeat that dragon head riding on the top like device.MoldOnHold

And since TP was essentially my first 3D Zelda, I didn't have other boss fights to compare it to. I do know that the boss fights were some of the most memorable moments of this entire generation. It's all opinion I suppose. :P

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]I'm still not entirely clear how SMG came up in a debate about Zelda's production values. >_>Shinobishyguy

Okay list, but we do not need voice acting. I like reading, actually.

What I think we need is a change in location. When I played TP, I knew what was coming when I walked into a new area. Between OOT, TP, WW,MM, and ALTTP their levels are predictable. You know what the mountain dungeon, the water dungeon, the forest dungeon, are going to be like. That was my problem with TP; Most of the dungeons were much like every other in the series. Some rocked the cazba(temple of time, the sky base, the russian house in the mountain thing, for instance), but most were redone from previous games. We need more of a futuristic/space setting, crazy crystal fantasy land setting, or just something where you have no idea what the dungeon is like when you go in.

Other than that, Nothing really needs to be improved. Combat could be made a bit more complex, but just increasing the difficulty would do the trick too. We do need masks though. I loved that bunny mask that made you go sonic speed.

DOS4dinner

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Damn....watch the quote chains guys... Shinobishyguy

what say you super mario 128?

1) I'm pretty sure he said "memorable game overall" to end our debate. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

2) You and him =/= the gaming population.

As I've said on numerous occasions, the game is very forgettable in comparison to OoT and SM64 - at least to me. I don't think I've said once that it will be forgotten, except on the occasion where I admitted that my post was ignorant.

[QUOTE="DOS4dinner"]

Okay list, but we do not need voice acting. I like reading, actually.

What I think we need is a change in location. When I played TP, I knew what was coming when I walked into a new area. Between OOT, TP, WW,MM, and ALTTP their levels are predictable. You know what the mountain dungeon, the water dungeon, the forest dungeon, are going to be like. That was my problem with TP; Most of the dungeons were much like every other in the series. Some rocked the cazba(temple of time, the sky base, the russian house in the mountain thing, for instance), but most were redone from previous games. We need more of a futuristic/space setting, crazy crystal fantasy land setting, or just something where you have no idea what the dungeon is like when you go in.

Other than that, Nothing really needs to be improved. Combat could be made a bit more complex, but just increasing the difficulty would do the trick too. We do need masks though. I loved that bunny mask that made you go sonic speed.

too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]All I think they need to do is somehow combined all the previous Zelda game into one, have each branch off each other. They should hire me, I have some interesting ideas. But no voice acting.too_much_eslim

I don't think they make them last longer. One of the charms of Link is his voiceless chatter. You get your brief "erf" and such sounds, which makes the game have more charm. Iconic characters become iconic characters because of how they present their charm. You get the full personality of Link by his actions and quirky sounds.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]I'm still not entirely clear how SMG came up in a debate about Zelda's production values. >_>MoldOnHold

You just demonstrated how this whole, four page arguement could have been avoided. Amazing. :|

They announce Zelda.

I buy a Wii.

:|

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]All I think they need to do is somehow combined all the previous Zelda game into one, have each branch off each other. They should hire me, I have some interesting ideas. But no voice acting.ArisShadows

I don't think they make them last longer. One of the charms of Link is his voiceless chatter. You get your brief "erf" and such sounds, which makes the game have more charm. Iconic characters become iconic characters because of how they present their charm. You get the full personality of Link by his actions and quirky sounds.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Damn....watch the quote chains guys... super_mario_128

what say you super mario 128?

1) I'm pretty sure he said "memorable game overall" to end our debate. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

2) You and him =/= the gaming population.

As I've said on numerous occasions, the game is very forgettable in comparison to OoT and SM64 - at least to me. I don't think I've said once that it will be forgotten, except on the occasion where I admitted that my post was ignorant.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

and you saying that the game is forgettable =/= the gaming population saying that SMG is forgettable.super_mario_128

As I've said on numerous occasions, the game is very forgettable in comparison to OoT and SM64 - at least to me. I don't think I've said once that it will be forgotten, except on the occasion where I admitted that my post was ignorant.

Every game is forgettable comapred to OoT and SM64 :lol:.

I hope Nintendo does something special for the new Zelda though.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]All I think they need to do is somehow combined all the previous Zelda game into one, have each branch off each other. They should hire me, I have some interesting ideas. But no voice acting.too_much_eslim

I don't think they make them last longer. One of the charms of Link is his voiceless chatter. You get your brief "erf" and such sounds, which makes the game have more charm. Iconic characters become iconic characters because of how they present their charm. You get the full personality of Link by his actions and quirky sounds.

I guess, but I like if they did a half-talk can of thing, where is not truely talking but making sounds if there were.

I agree and disagree.

Twilight Princess did feel kind of dated, but nostalgic at the same time. A real hark back to the N64 era, in good and bad ways.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]All I think they need to do is somehow combined all the previous Zelda game into one, have each branch off each other. They should hire me, I have some interesting ideas. But no voice acting.ArisShadows

I don't think they make them last longer. One of the charms of Link is his voiceless chatter. You get your brief "erf" and such sounds, which makes the game have more charm. Iconic characters become iconic characters because of how they present their charm. You get the full personality of Link by his actions and quirky sounds.

I guess, but I like if they did a half-talk can of thing, where is not truely talking but making sounds if there were.

AQ game as epic as Zeldadeserves voice acting.too_much_eslim

The voice overs would throw me off and that charm factor that Zelda present in quirky sounds and text form. It is epic without voiced words.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

and you saying that the game is forgettable =/= the gaming population saying that SMG is forgettable.Episode_Eve

As I've said on numerous occasions, the game is very forgettable in comparison to OoT and SM64 - at least to me. I don't think I've said once that it will be forgotten, except on the occasion where I admitted that my post was ignorant.

Every game is forgettable comapred to OoT and SM64 :lol:.

I hope Nintendo does something special for the new Zelda though.

Yep. SMG revitalised platformers but it still stuck to the old Mario formula (collect stars to progress to new galaxies). If the new Zelda got rid of the traditional Zelda formula (go to dungeon, collect item, kill boss, lather, rinse ....) then it could be incredible in ways that SMG could only dream of being...if it's done right of course. Not to mention, some new scenery (Hyrule is no longer nostalgic for me - I'd like something new and intelligent; a futuristic civilisation could work, for example).

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="DOS4dinner"]

Okay list, but we do not need voice acting. I like reading, actually.

What I think we need is a change in location. When I played TP, I knew what was coming when I walked into a new area. Between OOT, TP, WW,MM, and ALTTP their levels are predictable. You know what the mountain dungeon, the water dungeon, the forest dungeon, are going to be like. That was my problem with TP; Most of the dungeons were much like every other in the series. Some rocked the cazba(temple of time, the sky base, the russian house in the mountain thing, for instance), but most were redone from previous games. We need more of a futuristic/space setting, crazy crystal fantasy land setting, or just something where you have no idea what the dungeon is like when you go in.

Other than that, Nothing really needs to be improved. Combat could be made a bit more complex, but just increasing the difficulty would do the trick too. We do need masks though. I loved that bunny mask that made you go sonic speed.

Shinobishyguy

You are right, I should have thought about my list. MM did have unique dungeons (partly due to the time limit, but mostly due to just being awesome). I disagree on WW though. The water was a "new thing" for Zelda, but it did little good for the game. Also, I did not like any of the dungeons in WW. To me, they were nowhere near as fun and awe-inspiring as OOT, MM, or even TP. I can hardly even remember any of the dungeons of WW.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] AQ game as epic as Zeldadeserves voice acting.ArisShadows

The voice overs would throw me off and that charm factor that Zelda present in quirky sounds and text form. It is epic without voiced words.

I agree.

I have been a HUGE zelda fan since I was played the original on the NES. The franchise was most definitely my favorite, and OoT was the pinnacle of gaming for me.

The characters, setting, style, and graphics for Wind Waker blew me away, but the story, endless sailing, and triforce hunting at the the end of the game kept it from topping OoT.

Twilight Princess tried very hard to recapture the greatness that was OoT. But it failed in more ways than it suceeded. The art direction was the worst I've seen in a Zelda game since the second game on the NES. Nothing about the game shined or stood out. The music was in midi format, rubbish. Where was the magic bar? That was a huge upset. I didn't want to play as a useless wolf either. To me it ruined the gameplay. We already had Okami out, which was a fantastic game which stared a mythical wolf. Nintendo even delayed the game, , just to sell it as a Wii title. Making me wait and wait, and then wait more for an official delay, made the game that more disapointing.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

I disagree with your first point where you said "Link doesn't need to talk". Come on now, it's 2008... Link needs to be able to say more than just "HA!!!" "HUGH!!!" and "HEEYAHHHH!!!!!". Since he's the main character he should have at least some kind of voice and communication with other people. It's kind of sad in Zelda games when you walk around as Link talking to people like your family and your "girlfriend" and Link just stands there and doesn't say a word to them. Who would like a guy that never says a word?

Haha what if your girlfriend suddenly went mute, wouldn't that suck? Link needs a damn voice too! Someone needs to teach him some english.

Silenthps

Yes, but Gordon doesn't have much of a reason to talk. He just takes commands to go here, go there. He's a just point and shoot type of guy and him talking wouldn't really add anything too interesting to HL2. He doesn't even have an audible voice throughout the entire game but link has a voice you can hear a lot, only he doesn't say any real words. He just grunts and moans.

He already has a voice. He should at least be able to say a few things with it. Maybe not be the life of the conversations but when people talk to him he should be able to have at least a few short responses here and there.