Zeno Clash gets 6.5 on GS.

Well every game has flaws.

JLF1

[QUOTE="naval"] actaully flaws are generally ignore for mainstream games with teh hype -GTA IV, Oblivion etcDystopian-X

Yeah some of the flaws in those games are ignored and they become somewhat overrated but it's also true that if a game like this gets a low score it also gets a group of ppl defending it and overlooking flaws as well mostly because of it's inde/unique status.

He even complained about about lack of multiplayer in a rpg :lol: (King's Bounty)naval

Actually the people who complain their point is many games like get rated for points which are ignored for mainstream games or because rated harshly just because the reviewer fails to grasp the concept... if you want I can provide examples in another games but you will first have to provide an argument for the place where games hype is being ignored because it is indie game

naval

Not exactly. Many ppl would hype and defend this game against completely valid arguments because of this. I personally don't care about the review itself or how it was reviewed then again having played the game this statement makes sense:

Zeno Clash is surreal and relentlessly bizarre, but sheer weirdness takes this first-person brawler only so far .

Great atmosphere but very limited gameplay mechanics with certain flaws that would make this game get ripped apart by them if this was your average fps.

You heard it here folks, everyone start hating the game now.

Forget that you loved it before the review, ignore the critic and user score, Gamespot has spoken.

Keep in mind that this is the same site gave Mario Kart 64 a 6.4.

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Maybe the games just aren't mainstream enough for him? Hahanaval

Keep in mind that this is the same site gave Mario Kart 64 a 6.4.

swazidoughman

[QUOTE="naval"]

Actually the people who complain their point is many games like get rated for points which are ignored for mainstream games or because rated harshly just because the reviewer fails to grasp the concept... if you want I can provide examples in another games but you will first have to provide an argument for the place where games hype is being ignored because it is indie game

Dystopian-X

Not exactly. Many ppl would hype and defend this game against completely valid arguments because of this. I personally don't care about the review itself or how it was reviewed then again having played the game this statement makes sense:

Zeno Clash is surreal and relentlessly bizarre, but sheer weirdness takes this first-person brawler only so far .

Great atmosphere but very limited gameplay mechanics with certain flaws that would make this game get ripped apart by them if this was your average fps.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"] Or maybe this game has flaws that shouldn't be ignored just because it's "teh indie".WAIW

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

Keep in mind that this is the same site gave Mario Kart 64 a 6.4.

thegoldenpoo

I don't remember Brett Todd doing any of those things.

People these days seem to think websites have opinions, and the name at the bottom of the page is meaningless.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

Keep in mind that this is the same site gave Mario Kart 64 a 6.4.

WAIW

I don't remember Brett Todd doing any of those things.

People these days seem to think websites have opinions, and the name at the bottom of the page is meaningless.

Great atmosphere and lame gamplay took bioshock very far, didn't it ? the game is 4 hours longs and has enough variety for that ... you do have lots of moves and all. it's not supposed to be a full fledged beat - em up. It's like expecting crysis/stalker like shooting from games like Fallout 3. Oblivion had a equally shallow gameplaynaval

At least Bioshock had different weapons, powers, equipment etc as well as exploring and varied options. This game is roughly 4 hours and has you going from a very confined scene to the other with moves equipment and whatnot being limited. I'm not saying it's not fun at all but this game indeed has it's share of flaws and clunkyness in gameplay which are being overlooked because of it's style.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="naval"] actaully flaws are generally ignore for mainstream games with teh hype -GTA IV, Oblivion etcnaval

[QUOTE="naval"]

Great atmosphere and lame gamplay took bioshock very far, didn't it ? the game is 4 hours longs and has enough variety for that ... you do have lots of moves and all. it's not supposed to be a full fledged beat - em up. It's like expecting crysis/stalker like shooting from games like Fallout 3. Oblivion had a equally shallow gameplayDystopian-X

At least Bioshock had different weapons, powers, equipment etc as well as exploring and varied options. This game is roughly 4 hours and has you going from a very confined scene to the other with moves equipment and whatnot being limited. I'm not saying it's not fun at all but this game indeed has it's share of flaws and clunkyness in gameplay which are being overlooked because of it's style.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="WAIW"] On the contrary, many gamers and even critics fall in love with indie games almost solely because they're indie.

WAIW

Halo Wars just got a new buddy :D

Things are not really limited, they are enough to provide you enough variety that will last easily for 4 hours. you have some crazy moves , the only problem is that the fact that just punching is very easy and simple and still fun . Now let's compare it to Bioshock, it did had a very clunky gameplay and is pretty shallow , it did had many confined environments and for it also wrench is very effective and easy to use ---- except of the Big Daddy's . Now, see which kind of game the reviewers are loving ?naval

Or maybe Bioshock is indeed better? Bigger environments even if they are confined and you can actually move around, explore and the progression doesn't feel all that forced and restricted like in ZC, you can't compare all the stuff you can do in Bioshock to this and say they are just about the same. Combat-wise? Yes, they both feel pretty clunky and even then ZC has less variety.

[QUOTE="naval"] Things are not really limited, they are enough to provide you enough variety that will last easily for 4 hours. you have some crazy moves , the only problem is that the fact that just punching is very easy and simple and still fun . Now let's compare it to Bioshock, it did had a very clunky gameplay and is pretty shallow , it did had many confined environments and for it also wrench is very effective and easy to use ---- except of the Big Daddy's . Now, see which kind of game the reviewers are loving ?Dystopian-X

Or maybe Bioshock is indeed better? Bigger environments even if they are confined and you can actually move around, explore and the progression doesn't feel all that forced and restricted like in ZC, you can't compare all the stuff you can do in Bioshock to this and say they are just about the same. Combat-wise? Yes, they both feel pretty clunky and even then ZC has less variety.

[QUOTE="naval"]

Actually the people who complain their point is many games like get rated for points which are ignored for mainstream games or because rated harshly just because the reviewer fails to grasp the concept... if you want I can provide examples in another games but you will first have to provide an argument for the place where games hype is being ignored because it is indie game

Dystopian-X

Not exactly. Many ppl would hype and defend this game against completely valid arguments because of this. I personally don't care about the review itself or how it was reviewed then again having played the game this statement makes sense:

Zeno Clash is surreal and relentlessly bizarre, but sheer weirdness takes this first-person brawler only so far .

Great atmosphere but very limited gameplay mechanics with certain flaws that would make this game get ripped apart by them if this was your average fps.

[QUOTE="naval"] Things are not really limited, they are enough to provide you enough variety that will last easily for 4 hours. you have some crazy moves , the only problem is that the fact that just punching is very easy and simple and still fun . Now let's compare it to Bioshock, it did had a very clunky gameplay and is pretty shallow , it did had many confined environments and for it also wrench is very effective and easy to use ---- except of the Big Daddy's . Now, see which kind of game the reviewers are loving ?Dystopian-X

Or maybe Bioshock is indeed better? Bigger environments even if they are confined and you can actually move around, explore and the progression doesn't feel all that forced and restricted like in ZC, you can't compare all the stuff you can do in Bioshock to this and say they are just about the same. Combat-wise? Yes, they both feel pretty clunky and even then ZC has less variety.

At least Zeno Clash has replayability with the Challenge rooms. Bioshock has absolutely nothing in that regard.

Halo Wars just got a new buddy :D

Generalmojo

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

Halo Wars just got a new buddy :D

Salt_The_Fries

Yes, Boishock is bigger but it costs more too. If zeno clash's cost was $50, I am pretty sure every one would have complained about length and it being over priced. btw, just because you get rooms in Bioshock instead of corridors in zeno clash doesn't mean it is not confinednaval

Hmm I didn't say it wasn't confined, since you move from one area to anotherit is indeed confined but even then the areas in Bio. are bigger and progression doesn't feel all that forced.

When you all say: "It's just a $20 game" you are doing part of what I mentioned earlier, defending it partly because it's an indie game. There are other free/cheaper mods and games around it's price tag that offer you as much or more gameplay than Zeno Clash.

And, once again, GS submits another poorly written review.

[QUOTE="naval"] Yes, Boishock is bigger but it costs more too. If zeno clash's cost was $50, I am pretty sure every one would have complained about length and it being over priced. btw, just because you get rooms in Bioshock instead of corridors in zeno clash doesn't mean it is not confinedDystopian-X

Hmm I didn't say it wasn't confined, since you move from one area to anotherit is indeed confined but even then the areas in Bio. are bigger and progression doesn't feel all that forced.

When you all say: "It's just a $20 game" you are doing part of what I mentioned earlier, defending it partly because it's an indie game. There are other free/cheaper mods and games around it's price tag that offer you as much or more gameplay than Zeno Clash.

Wow what a horrible review.

Wow what a horrible review.

Aljosa23

The confined part was just to point out how people ignore same flaws in bigger games. when I say it's $20 only, it means that we see what it offers in price compared to it's cost. And it's not limited to indie games only. People do not bash HL 2 :Ep 1 because of it's short length because it's not a full priced game. So, care to point out again how price comes into picture only for indie games :roll: Please there are other cheaper/free mode, but why did you you bring it up here ? Here we are discussing about how according to you indie games are rated much more highly , so how does bringing other indie stuff into the picture helps ?naval

Because some of you keep saying "it's just $20" as if this gives the game some sort of nice excuse for being short and content-lacking when other games (I was including mainstream games as well) that have a similar price tag offer as much as ZC. Also including other similar cheaper game/mods backs up my original point of criticising the game, that's regardless of it being indie.

As for EP 1... I have seen some ppl criticizing it (me included) because of being short and kind of more of the same.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Wow what a horrible review.

Salt_The_Fries

[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Wow what a horrible review.

Aljosa23

inFamous getting A:P?MachoBuzzzy

I don't even know why we should continue listening to GS reviews.

[QUOTE="naval"] The confined part was just to point out how people ignore same flaws in bigger games. when I say it's $20 only, it means that we see what it offers in price compared to it's cost. And it's not limited to indie games only. People do not bash HL 2 :Ep 1 because of it's short length because it's not a full priced game. So, care to point out again how price comes into picture only for indie games :roll: Please there are other cheaper/free mode, but why did you you bring it up here ? Here we are discussing about how according to you indie games are rated much more highly , so how does bringing other indie stuff into the picture helps ?Dystopian-X

Because some of you keep saying "it's just $20" as if this gives the game some sort of nice excuse for being short and content-lacking when other games (I was including mainstream games as well) that have a similar price tag offer as much as ZC. Also including other similar cheaper game/mods backs up my original point of criticising the game, that's regardless of it being indie.

As for EP 1... I have seen some ppl criticizing it (me included) because of being short and kind of more of the same.

Well how is it an $20 an excuse ? you can consider it to offer 1/3rd of the length at 1/3rd of the price. No, as far as including indie games is concerned, it doesn't serves any purpose ..your point was "indie games always get rated higher" so if they are rated higher or lower than this game, it doesn't proves any thing, as it's till in the realm of indiea games only. it it does, care to provide an example ? now if you include mainstream games in that equation, name some of them ? As for Ep 1, it's avg user score is 8.9, so I guess most people didn't criticized itnaval

Ehh I never said or implied that.

My point is that an indie game like this gets a lot of hype and it's flaws get ignored by many ppl because of what it is. If they get slammed in a review many ppl jump and hide behind the "other games are being overrated" argument or like some said "It's not mainstream enough" other than recognizing the flaws in the game. My point was that this game scoring 6.5 isn't that huge of a sin. I personally would give it a 7.5 based on how the gameplay was.

first demigod now this.. pc getting a lot of hate recently.

[QUOTE="naval"] Well how is it an $20 an excuse ? you can consider it to offer 1/3rd of the length at 1/3rd of the price. No, as far as including indie games is concerned, it doesn't serves any purpose ..your point was "indie games always get rated higher" so if they are rated higher or lower than this game, it doesn't proves any thing, as it's till in the realm of indiea games only. it it does, care to provide an example ? now if you include mainstream games in that equation, name some of them ? As for Ep 1, it's avg user score is 8.9, so I guess most people didn't criticized itDystopian-X

Ehh I never said or implied that.

My point is that an indie game like this gets a lot of hype and it's flaws get ignored by many ppl because of what it is. If they get slammed in a review many ppl jump and hide behind the "other games are being overrated" argument or like some said "It's not mainstream enough" other than recognizing the flaws in the game. My point was that this game scoring 6.5 isn't that huge of a sin. I personally would give it a 7.5 based on how the gameplay was.

well you did mean the people defending this game were doing so because it was an indie game but in fact truth is since indie games generally lower ratings than games with teh hype , you will see more people defending it.naval

This can still be seen as sort of hyping and defending it because it's indie since some wouldn't mention the flaws present in the game and that they would normally point out on an average mainstream game.

Once again taking the Bioshock example, if you checked the forums, there were a lot of people angry even it got a 9.0 . So I guess they were defending it because it was mainstream and shallow ?naval

Because some ppl set their hype-o-meter for Bioshock waaayy too high.

Once again taking the Bioshock example, if you checked the forums, there were a lot of people angry even it got a 9.0 . So I guess they were defending it because it was mainstream and shallow ?naval

Well, when you actually think about it, yes...

[QUOTE="naval"] well you did mean the people defending this game were doing so because it was an indie game but in fact truth is since indie games generally lower ratings than games with teh hype , you will see more people defending it.Dystopian-X

This can still be seen as sort of hyping and defending it because it's indie since some wouldn't mention the flaws present in the game and that they would normally point out on an average mainstream game.

Once again taking the Bioshock example, if you checked the forums, there were a lot of people angry even it got a 9.0 . So I guess they were defending it because it was mainstream and shallow ?naval

Because some ppl set their hype-o-meter for Bioshock waaayy too high.

Actually demo was out by that time and I don't i see how people would get so much hyped

naval

I still had the game hyped from the demo though. Zeno Clash was a game where I went in and wasn't expecting all that much, and got an awesome game for 15 bucks(Had pre-ordered it).

[QUOTE="naval"]Actually demo was out by that time and I don't i see how people would get so much hyped

DragonfireXZ95

I still had the game hyped from the demo though. Zeno Clash was a game where I went in and wasn't expecting all that much, and got an awesome game for 15 bucks(Had pre-ordered it).

Actually no, people are pointing out how the flaws are overly exxagerated because it is an indie game, rather than taking into account what it the game is for. it's a $20 game and if you start complaining that it doesn't have the complex combat of a beat um up like God Hand. Flaws like the simplistic comabt are generally ignored in other hyped games like Fallout 3. Same goes for the complain of lack of variety. The comaplain is bascially for a lack of standards, if a review ignores flaws for mainstream games and tried to judge on what they provide, it should be same for indie games. Or else reveiws should take into account flaws for all cases.

naval

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="naval"]Actually demo was out by that time and I don't i see how people would get so much hyped

naval

I still had the game hyped from the demo though. Zeno Clash was a game where I went in and wasn't expecting all that much, and got an awesome game for 15 bucks(Had pre-ordered it).

Again, I am not arguing in favor of the GS review itself or what other reviewers do/say. But saying it's ok for it to not have that much content, simplistic gameplay or ignore some other of it's flaws just because it's $20;just like you did right now, is pretty much the same as what you claim reviewers do when they ignore flaws in big mainstream games. Dystopian-X

Specially since other $20 games and even free mods offer as much content as ZC or any other simplistic mainstream game.Dystopian-X

Again, I am not arguing in favor of the GS review itself or what other reviewers do/say. But saying it's ok for it to not have that much content, simplistic gameplay or ignore some other of it's flaws just because it's $20; just like you did right now, is pretty much the same as what you claim reviewers do when they ignore flaws in big mainstream games. Specially since other $20 games and even free mods offer as much content as ZC or any other simplistic mainstream game.Dystopian-X