WWE WrestleMania 23 Discussions Thread - April 1, 2007

lol, Keller gave Melina/Ashley -*. that is a negative star folks.sephy37

it isn't like it didn't deserve that rating

Kennedy cashes it iN!!!!!

*I wish*

Cena vs HBK was an awesome match, better than Taker vs Batista, which is saying a lot. Both men made it feel like a true main event and a match that is worth that spot. A match worth seeing and a good Wrestlemania. MITB, Taker vs Tista, Cena Vs HBK, even MVP vs Benoit was good.

EDIT: People's opinions on which match was better, Taker/Tista or HBK/Cena, will change. If you like a good and slow build up, Cena vs HBK is the better. But if you dont like slow begginings and want to get right into it, Batista vs Taker is better. 

Hay everyone let me begin by saying that you guys are going a great job in this union, and I always visit the union for the latest news.

The reason I  jioned this union is to talk about WRESTLEMANIA MATCH BETWEEN CENA AND MICHEALS, I wished the match would have ended with a new champion like the other match, TAKER and BATISTA was great and I thought BATISTA would win but TAKER kept his unbeaten record. But I'm dissapointed about the CENA, micheals match, I felt it was the exact same match as last years CENA, TRIPLE H. I have nothing against cena but making the same finsher as last year was stupied, either he pined MICHEALS or lost. My young brother ( not into wrestlng much) walked in my room and said why are you watching last years match.

Still wrestlemania was great, CENA is trying hard to let the fans like him you can see that in his eyes, but making him win many times makes the fans think they are pushing him way to far. Last was triple h this year is micheals next year he might face the undertaker and beats the undertaker and makes him tap for the first time in his career and that will piss the fans, but I  don't think taker will agree on that. Vince propably is angrey about the reaction cena is taking which is understandable, But he needs to ease the push on cena if he wants the fans to cheer him more.

I think there will be a rematch for their match at BACkLASH(and might lose the tag in the upcoming weeks , which I think they should have lost  before WRESTLEMANIA) as well as TAKER and BATISTA, judging by the prievew they have shown.

Thanks alot and I hope I didn't break the rules or anything.

I went 50% on my picks. I'm fairly certain that's my worst number in years by a long shot. For the most part, the one's I missed I actually preferred not getting it right, like Benoit retaining or the Originals going over... or just couldn't have given a crap either way, Trashley match

Sounds like the show over-achieved drastically, again entirely on the effort of the performers. Good for the wrestlers and for the people suckered into buying tis, probably bad for us in the long run. We only encourage them.

I just have a few question, how was the crowd overall? Everything seems to indicate that they continued the theme of really aiding the show.

How did they react to Lashley?

EDIT: And how long did Michaels stay in the STFU? 

So if MVP doesn't win, I will riot?mja2k3

Awesome show. My man Kennedy wins MITB, Benoit retains, and my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

Seriously, HBK/Cena was amazing. MOTY so far imo, and MITB was a close second. Best Money in the Bank yet. 

I just have a few question, how was the crowd overall? Everything seems to indicate that they continued the theme of really aiding the show.

How did they react to Lashley?

EDIT: And how long did Michaels stay in the STFU?

The_Dude14

The crowd wasn't that into Lashley, or Umaga vs Lashley at all, they were more into Steve Austin, Trump taking down Vince, and Shane's leap of faith. Even some boo's for Lashley here and there.

Oh, and Micheals stayed in the STFU for a good amount of time. Definetly not the amount of Angle's ankle lock, but good enough for some drama.  

The Cena/Michaels match was great. I thought the ending battle was great. It could've went any other way. I was pissed HBK didn't win, but we all knew Cena was going to win any way. I hope Cena lose the title at Backlash, should there be a rematch between the two.KevyR

Then again, I might end up going to Backlash and I can't think of anything better...

....And my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

Rage11

I went 50% on my picks. I'm fairly certain that's my worst number in years by a long shot. For the most part, the one's I missed I actually preferred not getting it right, like Benoit retaining or the Originals going over... or just couldn't have given a crap either way, Trashley match

Sounds like the show over-achieved drastically, again entirely on the effort of the performers. Good for the wrestlers and for the people suckered into buying tis, probably bad for us in the long run. We only encourage them.

I just have a few question, how was the crowd overall? Everything seems to indicate that they continued the theme of really aiding the show.

How did they react to Lashley?

EDIT: And how long did Michaels stay in the STFU? 

[QUOTE="mja2k3"]So if MVP doesn't win, I will riot?The_Dude14

As for how they react to Lashley, mild reaction. Nothing strong.

And Michaels lasted in the STFU at the end for about 15 seconds or more.

I went 50% on my picks. I'm fairly certain that's my worst number in years by a long shot. For the most part, the one's I missed I actually preferred not getting it right, like Benoit retaining or the Originals going over... or just couldn't have given a crap either way, Trashley match

Sounds like the show over-achieved drastically, again entirely on the effort of the performers. Good for the wrestlers and for the people suckered into buying tis, probably bad for us in the long run. We only encourage them.

I just have a few question, how was the crowd overall? Everything seems to indicate that they continued the theme of really aiding the show.

How did they react to Lashley?

EDIT: And how long did Michaels stay in the STFU?

[QUOTE="mja2k3"]So if MVP doesn't win, I will riot?The_Dude14

[QUOTE="Rage11"]

....And my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

Chicago_Nut

What makes you think Cena was booed out of the building tonight? Not even close man.

keller's cena/hbk rating

STAR RATING: **** -- The last five or ten minutes saved it, but four stars might be generous. Ross called it an "amazing WrestleMania main event," but even his praise seemed reserved. It was good, but it took a long time to get out of second gear. Michaels is really strong in 20 minute matches, but once you book him for more than that, he often slows down too much for the first half of the match for the "slow build." I'd say Taker-Batista was a notch better than Michaels-Cena. They were very different matches.

[QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="Rage11"]

....And my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

Rage11

What makes you think Cena was booed out of the building tonight? Not even close man.

 EDIT: I disagree with the ratings of Cena vs HBK. It should be rated higher, and ran a lot more smoothly than Taker/Tista did. The beggining of Cena/HBK wasnt really that bad or slow, HBK made it fun to watch.

Cena/HBK should have gone longer, or not had such a slow build. either way, still a great match.

[QUOTE="Rage11"][QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="Rage11"]

....And my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

Chicago_Nut

What makes you think Cena was booed out of the building tonight? Not even close man.

Even with all the praise, its going to take some major special features to get me to buy this on DVD.  But WWE has been going overboard on specials since last year's Mania, so they might.  If it shows up at Blockbuster, though.  I'll give it a rental. 

[QUOTE="Rage11"][QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="Rage11"]

....And my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

Chicago_Nut

What makes you think Cena was booed out of the building tonight? Not even close man.

EDIT: I disagree with the ratings of Cena vs HBK. It should be rated higher, and ran a lot more smoothly than Taker/Tista did. The beggining of Cena/HBK wasnt really that bad or slow, HBK made it fun to watch.

Ok, fair enough then. I know the boo's were nowhere as bad as last year's and I was really locked into the match and didn't pay as much attention to the crowd as I usually would. I also think was much better than his match with HHH last year. HBK really did a good job carrying Cena.

[QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="Rage11"][QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="Rage11"]

....And my boy Cena is still the Champ! Let the "IM NEVAR WATCHING WWE AGIEN!!1111" threats begin!

The_Dude14

What makes you think Cena was booed out of the building tonight? Not even close man.

Even with all the praise, its going to take some major special features to get me to buy this on DVD.  But WWE has been going overboard on specials since last year's Mania, so they might.  If it shows up at Blockbuster, though.  I'll give it a rental. 

dude, Dude, ur really letting yourself down if you don't go out of your way to see Taker/Batista, the Edge/Jeff spot, and Cena/HBK. oh and u know RVD won one tonight right? and Punk was great tonight

dude, Dude, ur really letting yourself down if you don't go out of your way to see Taker/Batista, the Edge/Jeff spot, and Cena/HBK. oh and u know RVD won one tonight right? and Punk was great tonight

sephy37

[QUOTE="sephy37"]

dude, Dude, ur really letting yourself down if you don't go out of your way to see Taker/Batista, the Edge/Jeff spot, and Cena/HBK. oh and u know RVD won one tonight right? and Punk was great tonight

The_Dude14

you'll probably see the Edge/Jeff spot a thousand times tomorrow on Raw anyways.

I couldn't believe how many boos Bautista was getting in his match, but the Taker is still the Taker. And he took lol. And Cena's entrance was much better last year IMO, but this year's main event was definately the best I've seen in a while.

Oh and BTW, MISTERRRRRRRRR MONEY IN THE BAAAAANK...

BANK!

800th post woo woo!

In regards to some of the Dude's comments, good to see I am not the only one (well, you know what I mean) who missed at on WrestleMania XIX.

Though, with that being said, in regards to WrestleMania 23, if nothing else, I plan to give this one rental.

This was a great show. I, however, disagree with quite a bit of you guys on the main event.

Match ratings

MiTB: ***3/4: This match was pretty good, but last years was better. That insane spot by Edge and Hardy will be Tivo'd quite a bit over here. Nice couple of finish sprees, and that uber RKO was great. Glad Kennedy Won too, just wondering how Edge's streak will be handled.

Khali vs. Kane: 1/4 *. I was slightly interested at the body slam. That was pretty much it for me. Finish was really lame.

Benoit vs. MVP: ** and 3/4: I really wanted to rate this higher, but I didn't get it. I was very impressed by MVP, don't get me wrong, but how did Benoit's 5 suplexes and the headbutt finish him off. I didn't see any other offense from Benoit. Of course, time restraints are to blame. I also belive I heard "Six minutes" half way through the match, so yeah, kinda predicable.

Taker vs. Batista: **** 1/4: Seriously, this was f***** awesome. Batista proved me wrong by a mile. I was expecting two stars tops on this thing, and they pulled out one hell of a match. I honestly thought that the streak was over after the Batista Bomb. Great emotion.

ECW 8-man: * and 1/2; This would have been * and 1/4 if the New Breed won. It was what is was, average, and the surprise win gave it 1/4 of a star. At least we saw the 5 star.

"Battle of the Billionaires": *, this was pretty much a story, not a match. It really is sad when the biggest pop of the match is when Trump attacked Vince. At least we saw a stunner or two.

Trashley vs. Melina: negative *****, do I even need to explain. It sucked ass in every single way imaginable.

Cena vs. HBK: *** 1/2: I didn't like this match that much. The slow build up would have been nice if it mattered at all. The fact that Cena stopped showing the effects 12 seconds after he got in control kinda killed it for me. You don't just "shake off" that kind of stuff. The second half was very good, but after the FU Cena hit it got very predictable to me. Predictability isn't good. The fact that this match got a *** 1/2 on about 1/4 of the match just goes to show how good that part was. That pilldriver was really out of place as well. Why did he even do it? He's a face, and even after he did, again, Cena pretended it didn't happen. I just wish this match was designed better.

 Match of the Night: Batista vs. Undertaker.

[QUOTE="Jackov"]

Y'all can find my WrassleMania picks on the new 4EW Roundtable. ;)

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I'm off to watch the PPV in HD.  But first, lots of snackage. :P

sephy37

Sam, are you still the reigning prediction champ?

Looks like a decent Mania at best, even with no real "big match" feelings involved.

Im really happy Kennedy won. Orton, Booker, Edge are already main event worthy, and Punk could use some build before his inevitable main event slot.  Cant wait to see what they do with Kennedy.

Everything else was pretty much as I predicted, the only match I was wrong about the outcome was the originals vs new breed, which was pretty weird. Maybe they dont want to completely waste RVD and drive him off to TNA?

Trump gets the stunner, thats cool, Lashley wins, and still sucks apparently.

From what I hear, Batista vs Taker was better than HBK/Cena which im shocked about. Well, I guess Batista was right, it really lit a fire under them. Now just keep that fire burning there Dave.

And HBK taps to the almighty STFU. Looks like a decent match, I just hate that freakin move. Im guessing this feud will continue for a while.

All in all, a decent looking Mania, but certainly doesnt look like it was worth my 50$. Had Kennedy cashed in tonight on Cena, THEN i'd regret not ordering.

was anyone else dissapointed with the line up for WM23?

for those who dont know it was:

MITB

Khali vs Kane

Beniot vs MVP

Taker vs Batista

ECW Originals vs New Breed

Lashley vs Umaga

Melina vs Ashley

HBK vs Cena

They put the lumberjill match that high.....

But who won didnt get to see it?

Cena/HBK was great. I loved how HBK was bringin back old moves that he never used n ages like the Lou Theze Press and Skinning the Cat. That moonsault was beauty. Props to Cena from taking a lot of bumps as he does not usually do that.

They put the lumberjill match that high.....

But who won didnt get to see it?

Captious

Cena/HBK was great. I loved how HBK was bringin back old moves that he never used n ages like the Lou Theze Press and Skinning the Cat. That moonsault was beauty. Props to Cena from taking a lot of bumps as he does not usually do that.

Total-KO

Oh, god that's 4 straight 'Mania's that Cena either goes in with/walks out with a title or wins 1

'Mania XX defeated Big Show for US title(if i remember correctly.....)

'Mania XXI defeated JBL(I wanted Cena to win this 1)

'Mania XXII defeats HHH(time to play the game???? HHH had it)

now 'Mania XXIII(WTF?!)

honestly, I like Cena as a wrestler, but dude, let the WWE title go for a while, stick with your tag title and find a decent partner will ya? HBK should've been WWE Champion, honestly this 'Mania is one of the worst I've seen, 'Taker winning and some of MITB was good, I though Jeff had it and I though they were gonna push him considering this was his 1st 'Mania in 5 years... Cena is good it's just that he needs to let the WWE title go, he's had it for 3 straight 'Mania's now, I'm not hating on him, but it's time for a change, seriously

was anyone else dissapointed with the line up for WM23?

 

for those who dont know it was:

MITB

Khali vs Kane

Beniot vs MVP

Taker vs Batista

ECW Originals vs New Breed

Lashley vs Umaga

Melina vs Ashley

HBK vs Cena

ff7cloudking

very disappointed. Taker/Batista should have gone on 2nd to last and MITB at least above Melina/Ashley

[QUOTE="ff7cloudking"]

was anyone else dissapointed with the line up for WM23?

 

for those who dont know it was:

MITB

Khali vs Kane

Beniot vs MVP

Taker vs Batista

ECW Originals vs New Breed

Lashley vs Umaga

Melina vs Ashley

HBK vs Cena

sephy37

very disappointed. Taker/Batista should have gone on 2nd to last and MITB at least above Melina/Ashley

The main event in my view was Taker vs Batista . It should have been the last match .

Here are my star ratings for each match.

• Money in the Bank Ladder Match- ****
  • This was the best one yet IMO. I was glad to see Kennedy win.
• The Great Khali vs. Kane- * 1/2
  
  • I was really expecting them to do something with that hook Kane's been bringing out every week, but nothing. Just a boring old match you'd see on Raw.
• U.S. Championship: Chris Benoit vs. MVP- ** 1/2
  • Good match, although had I been a little more interested in it, maybe I'd give it three stars. I was very impressed with MVP's performance.
• World Heavyweight Championship: Undertaker vs. Batista- *** 1/2
  • Very decent match. Better than the average SmackDown main event you would get. I still think that this really should've ended the show, but it's no big deal.
• ECW Originals vs. New Breed- * 1/2
  • Boring match, why the hell did the ECW Originals win? Ah, at least I felt good for Tommy Dreamer. I could tell he was getting emotional after the match was over.
• Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga- *** 1/2
  • Good match, however is anyone surprised with the outcome? My hats off to Vince for his sacrifice of his hair for his business.
• Women's Championship: Melina vs. Ashley- DUD.
  • My rating might be a little generous too. This match was horrendus. At least trAshley did not win the title.
    
• WWE Championship: John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels- **** 1/2
  • Amazing match. I loved it. HBK carried Cena to an awesome match, and like always Cena has put on the MOTN of a PPV yet again.

[QUOTE="ff7cloudking"]

was anyone else dissapointed with the line up for WM23?

 

for those who dont know it was:

MITB

Khali vs Kane

Beniot vs MVP

Taker vs Batista

ECW Originals vs New Breed

Lashley vs Umaga

Melina vs Ashley

HBK vs Cena

sephy37

very disappointed. Taker/Batista should have gone on 2nd to last and MITB at least above Melina/Ashley

Oh, god that's 4 straight 'Mania's that Cena either goes in with/walks out with a title or wins 1

'Mania XX defeated Big Show for US title(if i remember correctly.....)

'Mania XXI defeated JBL(I wanted Cena to win this 1)

'Mania XXII defeats HHH(time to play the game???? HHH had it)

now 'Mania XXIII(WTF?!)

honestly, I like Cena as a wrestler, but dude, let the WWE title go for a while, stick with your tag title and find a decent partner will ya? HBK should've been WWE Champion, honestly this 'Mania is one of the worst I've seen, 'Taker winning and some of MITB was good, I though Jeff had it and I though they were gonna push him considering this was his 1st 'Mania in 5 years... Cena is good it's just that he needs to let the WWE title go, he's had it for 3 straight 'Mania's now, I'm not hating on him, but it's time for a change, seriously

majingokuss3

[QUOTE="sephy37"][QUOTE="ff7cloudking"]

was anyone else dissapointed with the line up for WM23?

 

for those who dont know it was:

MITB

Khali vs Kane

Beniot vs MVP

Taker vs Batista

ECW Originals vs New Breed

Lashley vs Umaga

Melina vs Ashley

HBK vs Cena

The_Dude14

very disappointed. Taker/Batista should have gone on 2nd to last and MITB at least above Melina/Ashley

dude, u didn't see the awfulness of the diva's match. it was a nexus of "suck" and took the heat out of the whole show and it's a miracle people didn't fall asleep between that and Cena/HBK

hell, i skipped that match cause i knew it would suck(diva's c'mon)

hell, i skipped that match cause i knew it would suck(diva's c'mon)

majingokuss3

so because its a female vs female match you instantly skip it? lets hear it for sexist....

[QUOTE="majingokuss3"]

hell, i skipped that match cause i knew it would suck(diva's c'mon)

kayne2000

so because its a female vs female match you instantly skip it? lets hear it for sexist....