OMG stop bashing Halo

Maybe it will end up being GoTY. Afterall 300+ million of you bought the damn game.....

Just thought I say what I thought about it.

but halo is terrible

i played and beat all 3 its a kool shooter other than that i dont spend my life playing it like a majority of the world. makes me wonder if halo fans are worse than world of war craft fans

THANK YOU! finally someon who can agree. Its true 95% of games will involve one or many of these types of personalities, you dont see this in the more hardcore games like vegas2, well i have not anyway. Palantas, you accused me of not using evidence, which i didnt, so wheres yours? Thats right, there is no valid evidence to support your words, because halo is an average game which should have been godly for the hardcore gamer, but no. The grunt emphasises halo in every way, i wanna know what the devs were on when they came up with that stupid useless alien, we as humans are supposed to fear aliens, instead we get these cartoon like aliens that have no horrifying construction at all, plus the useless marines, lol.KorruptRaiden

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]THANK YOU! finally someon who can agree. Its true 95% of games will involve one or many of these types of personalities, you dont see this in the more hardcore games like vegas2, well i have not anyway. Palantas, you accused me of not using evidence, which i didnt, so wheres yours? Thats right, there is no valid evidence to support your words, because halo is an average game which should have been godly for the hardcore gamer, but no. The grunt emphasises halo in every way, i wanna know what the devs were on when they came up with that stupid useless alien, we as humans are supposed to fear aliens, instead we get these cartoon like aliens that have no horrifying construction at all, plus the useless marines, lol.Lance_Kalzas

[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"][QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]THANK YOU! finally someon who can agree. Its true 95% of games will involve one or many of these types of personalities, you dont see this in the more hardcore games like vegas2, well i have not anyway. Palantas, you accused me of not using evidence, which i didnt, so wheres yours? Thats right, there is no valid evidence to support your words, because halo is an average game which should have been godly for the hardcore gamer, but no. The grunt emphasises halo in every way, i wanna know what the devs were on when they came up with that stupid useless alien, we as humans are supposed to fear aliens, instead we get these cartoon like aliens that have no horrifying construction at all, plus the useless marines, lol.KorruptRaiden

(Too much quotation) Well it took me about 3 seconds to think for what i had written before hand, so yeah i would not call that effort, and yes i am on top because no one has actually made any valid points or remarks towards my posts other than indirectly saying that im wrong without anything to support their statements with so yes i will stick by my word, countless times people have given into my whining and tried the games i say are the best and time and time again i they agree.KorruptRaiden

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"](Too much quotation) Well it took me about 3 seconds to think for what i had written before hand, so yeah i would not call that effort, and yes i am on top because no one has actually made any valid points or remarks towards my posts other than indirectly saying that im wrong without anything to support their statements with so yes i will stick by my word, countless times people have given into my whining and tried the games i say are the best and time and time again i they agree.KorruptRaiden

Dude quit your complaining ...Halo isnt about the campaign its about the online play, not our fault if you suck at it. Go play something else that takes less skill. You dont like Halo... we know, who cares? ...haha.

The Halo series has received enormous critical and popular acclaim. When you're going against established sentiment, the burden of proof is on you. Furthermore, in response to a number of your statements, I haven't even asked for "proof." I've simply asked for you to explain what you said, which you have been utterly unable to do. I'm assuming you're English as a second language, which is fine, but some of your thoughts have been very poorly translated.

In the rare occasion that I have asked for evidence of your claims (i.e., Bungie used the Predalien as a concept model for the Elite) you either ignore it, or in a particularly bizzare move, claim that you don't need to provide any support for your claims. Why don't you? Who knows. You always win arguments and are always right, and if that's good enough for you, you seem to think it should be good enough for everyone else. Judging by the increasingly mocking tone other forum-goers are taking to your posts, I'm guessing it isn't.

making a statement or implication without any supporting evidence is not a valid one...

...i have said it before that i dont need any support, simply because i dont need it...

KorruptRaiden

:lol: If you had set out to write a collection of posts more totally void of reason, you could not possibly have done so. This bit above is signature-worthy. If you can't see how what you said here is senseless and contradictory, I'm sure you're the only one.

I seriously doubt you're actually going to engage in any real discussion here. Your MO so far has been to make bizzare claims, then refuse to back them up or even explain them. I don't think you're going to change, but that's not going to stop me from having some fun with you.

Getting back on track here, let's review some of your "arguments":

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]

2. gameplay is so basic any noob can play it successfully

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What's wrong with that? Why does every game need to have a Byzantine level of complexity in order to be a good experience? This is the same sort of elitist attitude that some people have about all shooters. Just give me a shooter you do like, and I'll tell you it's a bad game, because it's not as easy to pick up and play as Europa Universalis. What does that prove?

You haven't even attempted to address any of these issues. Adding to that, I'd like to know which shooters you think don't have easy-to-pick-up gameplay, as long as you're playing on the easier difficulties. Team Fortress can be rather noob-unfriendly, I suppose. I blame that on the lack of a tutorial. (Note: This is a bad thing.)

3. the characters are averaged and are cliche's of characters from movies, eg sgt johson is a replica of sgt apone from aliens

4. story is weak and should have been done better

7. the story is too jumpy, they could have fit like another 5 levels in it

9. lack of originality, basically copied aliens and starship troopers

KorruptRaiden

You haven't elaborated on or even explain most of these, so I'll let my original challenges stand. Regarding the last one, I'll repeat myself here: Many great stories are based in whole or in part on earlier stories and myths. This does not invalid them. I'll ask you again: You hated Star Wars, right?

In any case, you've managed to find only the vaguest of similarities between Aliens, Starship Troopers, and Halo. Apparently by your definition, if I can find one or two characters or plot threads in common between two stories, one must be a ripoff of the other. Hmm...you know what? I think Halo must be a ripoff of Star Trek. See, the Flood are like the Borg, and Captain Keyes is like Captain Picard, 'cause they both get captured and assimilated. Ha! Halo is a ripoff of Star Trek! Make it so.

I think most everyone here will grasp that I'm being sarcastic, but I probably shouldn't assume that with you. My point here is that your definition of what constitutes unoriginality is so flimsy and undefined, that you can make most any story a ripoff of another.

6. multiplayer maps are lame

KorruptRaiden

Come on, Mr. I've-Played-System Shock, where's your analysis here? We're all waiting to be educated by you. This shouldn't be that hard. Take a level from Unreal Tournament or Quake, describe what makes it a good deathmatch level, and then show how all those elements are lacking from any Halo levels.

And...

You know what? It occurred to me that I could keep going here, but I seriously doubt you're going to respond in any reasonable fashion to any of this. You're going to write another short, single-giant-sentence post about how you don't have to explain yourself. What I'd really love for you to explain is why you think you don't have to back up any of your claims.

What points am I supposed to back up? So far the only thing I've asked is that you explain yourself. I'm asking "How did you come to this conclusion?" and your response is "I don't have to explain myself, but you do." Okay, I'm going to explain myself here: I'm asking how you came to your conclusions. Is that clear? You want me to back up my points? Okay, I'm backing up my point that I want you to explain your conclusions, by asking you to explain your conclusions using the English language.

The rest of your recent post was an obvious appeal to authority argument. (You can go wiki that phrase if you like.) Your latest batch of non-reasoning has the added bonus of insulting a huge number of people, but I doubt you care about that.

What points am I supposed to back up? So far the only thing I've asked is that you explain yourself. I'm asking "How did you come to this conclusion?" and your response is "I don't have to explain myself, but you do." Okay, I'm going to explain myself here: I'm asking how you came to your conclusions. Is that clear? You want me to back up my points? Okay, I'm backing up my point that I want you to explain your conclusions, by asking you to explain your conclusions using the English language.

The rest of your recent post was an obvious appeal to authority argument. (You can go wiki that phrase if you like.) Your latest batch of non-reasoning has the added bonus of insulting a huge number of people, but I doubt you care about that.

Palantas

There's more: On the rare occasion you do actually explain anything, your reasoning makes no sense. We're going to focus on a single point here, and I'm going to go through this slowly, step by step, so hopefully you'll understand. You posted this:

9. lack of originality, basically copied aliens and starship troopers

KorruptRaiden

I've challenged this statement on two grounds:

1. A story being unoriginal doesn't make it bad.
2. The connections between Halo and those two other scifi franchises are tenuous (means "minimal") at best.

I used examples for both of these. If you scroll up and read my post using literacy you'll see these. I've used examples to suggest that your reasoning is flawed. Do you understand now? I don't know how to make this any more simple for you.

EDIT: I see you posted some more stuff. Let's just focus on the above for now; we'll get back to everything else later.

Two year old topic.. I bet a lot of people will still post in it though.craigalan23

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] ahahahahaha oh wow, you just keep on digging dont u? you gonna have to think for a little longer than 3 seconds to get anything intelligent out, which u have managed to prove time and time again. and people have made valid points, you just chose to not read them or only read what you wanted to. and you also spoke about people supporting their statements...wheres your support? i dont see any evidence to back up your claims other than the blatent opinion stated as fact. and congrats for making yourself sound like a child with your last sentence, 'most time people give into my whining,' toddlers whine alot too ;)SHiFTY_v4

Dude quit your complaining ...Halo isnt about the campaign its about the online play, not our fault if you suck at it. Go play something else that takes less skill. You dont like Halo... we know, who cares? ...haha.

In all honesty i always pick on halo because its an easy target, and the majority of the halo community diserve it TBH, they have got to learn there is more than halo in the world.

300+ million copies= i think i fainted for about 30 seconds, since when did it do that lol

There's more: On the rare occasion you do actually explain anything, your reasoning makes no sense. We're goingto focus on a single point here, and I'm going to go through this slowly, step by step, so hopefully you'll understand. You posted this:

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]

9. lack of originality, basically copied aliens and starship troopers

Palantas

I've challenged this statement on two grounds:

1. A story being unoriginal doesn't make it bad.
2. The connections between Halo and those two other scifi franchises are tenuous (means "minimal") at best.

I used examples for both of these. If you scroll up and read my post using literacy you'll see these. I've used examples to suggest that your reasoning is flawed. Do you understand now? I don't know how to make this any more simple for you.

In all honesty i always pick on halo because its an easy target, and the majority of the halo community diserve it TBH, they have got to learn there is more than halo in the world.

300+ million copies= i think i fainted for about 30 seconds, since when did it do that lol

Jehuty-88

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] ahahahahaha oh wow, you just keep on digging dont u? you gonna have to think for a little longer than 3 seconds to get anything intelligent out, which u have managed to prove time and time again. and people have made valid points, you just chose to not read them or only read what you wanted to. and you also spoke about people supporting their statements...wheres your support? i dont see any evidence to back up your claims other than the blatent opinion stated as fact. and congrats for making yourself sound like a child with your last sentence, 'most time people give into my whining,' toddlers whine alot too ;)SHiFTY_v4

Dude quit your complaining ...Halo isnt about the campaign its about the online play, not our fault if you suck at it. Go play something else that takes less skill. You dont like Halo... we know, who cares? ...haha.

I never said that story is bad because of its unoriginality actually

KorruptRaiden

Theres many valid reasons to why people dont like halo and here are mine...lack of originality, basically copied aliens and starship troopers

KorruptRaiden

You posted a list of reasons why you don't Halo. You never indicated that one was particularly more important than the other. I picked this unoriginality bit because it was one of the few points to which you actually gave any examples. So, is this a good reason to dislike Halo or not? Which of your original points did you actually state seriously, and which ones, after I call you out on them, are you going to say "Well that one isn't a big deal"? Maybe you should start over with a new list, and write what you actually mean this time. I'll hold off on tearing into the all the other nonsense you've posted recently, if you want to do this.

Oh, except for this:

I must also point out from earlier, you called me a fanboy, of what??

KorruptRaiden

I'd like you to produce a quote block from me where I call you a fanboy.

There's more: On the rare occasion you do actually explain anything, your reasoning makes no sense. We're goingto focus on a single point here, and I'm going to go through this slowly, step by step, so hopefully you'll understand. You posted this:

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]

9. lack of originality, basically copied aliens and starship troopers

I've challenged this statement on two grounds:

1. A story being unoriginal doesn't make it bad.
2. The connections between Halo and those two other scifi franchises are tenuous (means "minimal") at best.

I used examples for both of these. If you scroll up and read my post using literacy you'll see these. I've used examples to suggest that your reasoning is flawed. Do you understand now? I don't know how to make this any more simple for you.

frankly, i dont care much for halo, too pre-teen for me.. no blood and you have the option to shoot some pink stuff at some bright blue midgets.. not my cup of tea.. im more of a gears type shooter fan.. not neccesarily third person.. just need some more depth in combat, and i dont feel the enemy die in the same way in halo as in gears.. :)

So now you're comparing an JRPG to an FPS....what?

Lance_Kalzas

Believe me, that did not escape my attention. I'm going to wait and see if he revises his gripe list and publishes a definitive copy. Apparently, he's going to pull the "Oh I didn't really mean that" bit in regards to his old list.

(Too much quotation) Well it took me about 3 seconds to think for what i had written before hand, so yeah i would not call that effort, and yes i am on top because no one has actually made any valid points or remarks towards my posts other than indirectly saying that im wrong without anything to support their statements with so yes i will stick by my word, countless times people have given into my whining and tried the games i say are the best and time and time again i they agree.KorruptRaiden

There's more: On the rare occasion you do actually explain anything, your reasoning makes no sense. We're goingto focus on a single point here, and I'm going to go through this slowly, step by step, so hopefully you'll understand. You posted this:

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]

9. lack of originality, basically copied aliens and starship troopers

I've challenged this statement on two grounds:

1. A story being unoriginal doesn't make it bad.
2. The connections between Halo and those two other scifi franchises are tenuous (means "minimal") at best.

I used examples for both of these. If you scroll up and read my post using literacy you'll see these. I've used examples to suggest that your reasoning is flawed. Do you understand now? I don't know how to make this any more simple for you.

You can dislike Halo all you want. However, when express your reasons for disliking it in public, and they don't make sense, then expect to be criticized. I can write a post about how I hate Gears of War because it destabilizes the Earth's orbit. Now, you can't argue that I dislike Gears, but you can argue that my reasons for disliking it are either biased, inconsistent, or outright wrong.

Here, I'll give you an example from this thread:

frankly, i dont care much for halo, too pre-teen for me.. no blood and you have the option to shoot some pink stuff at some bright blue midgets.. not my cup of tea.. im more of a gears type shooter fan..

kazater

This guy doesn't like Halo because he thinks it's oriented at children, and he bases that conclusion in part on the fact that the game has no blood. Except...that's just dead wrong. Here's a screenshot:

I see blood. How 'bout you? Big trail of blood right there. Obviously this poster's statement that there's no blood in the game is completely incorrect.

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

[QUOTE="spencdiamonds"]Halo Series is the worst game since big rigs for the pcthisguy51

Half life 2 fanboy?

You're the one that gave me moderation then you sir are evil.

You bumped a two-year-old thread. A dozen people probably reported you.

Here, I'll give you an example from this thread:

[QUOTE="kazater"]

frankly, i dont care much for halo, too pre-teen for me.. no blood and you have the option to shoot some pink stuff at some bright blue midgets.. not my cup of tea.. im more of a gears type shooter fan..

Palantas

This guy doesn't like Halo because he thinks it's oriented at children, and he bases that conclusion in part on the fact that the game has no blood. Except...that's just dead wrong. Here's a screenshot:

I see blood. How 'bout you? Big trail of blood right there. Obviously this poster's statement that there's no blood in the game is completely incorrect.

Thank you, vash; I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. :)

I think he meant Gore, Halo is violent and has some crud deaths but I think it doesnt have any gore

doubalfa

If that's what he meant (which is what he should have said), then it calls into question his whole line of reasoning, in which a game lacking gore must be intended for children.

Thank you, vash; I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. :)

[QUOTE="doubalfa"]

I think he meant Gore, Halo is violent and has some crud deaths but I think it doesnt have any gore

Palantas

If that's what he meant (which is what he should have said), then it calls into question his whole line of reasoning, in which a game lacking gore must be intended for children.

It is because of people like palantas that I enjoy coming to forums from time to time. Good job calling out all these people on their b/s.

Thank you, vash; I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. :)

[QUOTE="doubalfa"]

I think he meant Gore, Halo is violent and has some crud deaths but I think it doesnt have any gore

Palantas

If that's what he meant (which is what he should have said), then it calls into question his whole line of reasoning, in which a game lacking gore must be intended for children.

It was Raiden who was a big fan of Final Fantasy. Hear that, Raiden? This kazater guy says your favorite game is meant for kids!

EDIT: I'm getting a little off-topic here.