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IF MS wins NPD in May, it will be by another slim 10-15K margin while Sony continues to destroy them in Europe and Japan. Translation...Sony's lead will continue to grow until MS can somehow completely destroy PS4 in the NPD numbers. That's not even close to happening right now.

As for the detailed analysis, there is only one reason MS has been winning NPD...$349 price tag. Even at $399, they weren't making a dent. When they dropped to $349, all the sudden they got a huge boost and beat PS4 in the NPD numbers for the first time.

No actually this never happened, The Xbox One was already at $349 for awhile the issue is is that the PS4 is constantly decreasing year over year and week on week for many months now, while the Xbox one is the exact opposite or flat, eventually the numbers are going to pass eachother, no strategy had been chancged at all on the XBox front.

You do realize the Xbox One was $399 until last November right? November was the first month Xbox One passed PS4 for the month on NPD, and it was also the first month XB1 was at $349.

And what are you talking about PS4 decreasing week over week? Exactly where are you getting that? lol

Also PS4 has this lead without any of their true system seller titles out while MS has been throwing Halo, Forza, TitanFall, Sunset Overdrive, and now Tomb Raider. No Uncharted, no God of War, no sequel to Last of Us, no Gran Turismo, and not even Ratchet and Clank yet. PS4 is destroying XB1 with DriveClub, Killzone, Infamous, Bloodborne, and Knack. haha

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The original is one of my top 5 games last gen. It was outstanding.

I'm definitely pre-ordering this, but I hope the Uncharted 4 delay doesn't hurt sales. EA was smart to push this to early next year away from the crowded Fall lineup. Now that Uncharted 4 got pushed to the same window, I'm hoping it can still sell very well, so EA will continue to make more.

Also, hopefully the critics will be more on board this time. I thought they were too critical of the first game. It's better than how it scored.

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IF MS wins NPD in May, it will be by another slim 10-15K margin while Sony continues to destroy them in Europe and Japan. Translation...Sony's lead will continue to grow until MS can somehow completely destroy PS4 in the NPD numbers. That's not even close to happening right now.

As for the detailed analysis, there is only one reason MS has been winning NPD...$349 price tag. Even at $399, they weren't making a dent. When they dropped to $349, all the sudden they got a huge boost and beat PS4 in the NPD numbers for the first time.

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That's because he's thinking like a financial analyst and not remembering this is MS we are talking about. MS has to be taking it on the chin hard for this price to be at $349. Then they go and release 5 exclusives into a crowded fall window which means a lot of people will be skipping them until the price drops in 2016. That's game revenue out the window. It especially makes no sense in the case of Tomb Raider which they spent a bunch of money to get as a timed exclusive. You'd figure they'd want a return on that investment.

MS wants to say they are #1 even if they have to hemorrhage cash while they are doing it.

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It does when this thing is supposed to be next gen. What if Call of Duty Black Ops 3 shows up with half the game modes of Black Ops 2, or maybe they decide to leave out Kill Confirmed mode? You don't think anyone would complain? Honestly Forza 5 was a bit of a disgrace in that regard.

Also does this mean its 450 of the 500 cars Forza 4 had, or did they add new ones which drops even more off the list from Forza 4? If the tracks are the same 26 tracks, then people are going to pay $60 for what amounts to a Forza 4 remaster minus 50+ cars.

New cars of course... Do you think they didn't add cars that released after 2011? :s

And wow, so only the cars and the tracks matter? Not the gameplay, just those numbers? So FM6 might have 1000 times better gameplay than FM4, doesn't matter just a rehash because it has the same cars and tracks...

Well, what would you be expecting as a gameplay upgrade that would be worth paying $60 for the same game you played 4 years ago? Cars and tracks are usually what sells these games as much as the physics. This is the sixth game in a series the media types like to claim is better than Gran Turismo, so I wouldn't expect ground breaking changes.

If your a huge fan of the series, fine. People buy Madden every year too. But Forza has been declining in sales since Forza 3, and I think it's because they release too often. You really need 3-5 years between sim racers to get enough new content to make it feel fresh and new. That's why Gran Turismo is only on the 6th edition even though the first Gran Turismo released 8 years before the first Forza game. GT6 is the only one that hasn't sold 10+ million copies, and that's because it released on PS3 after PS4 launched.

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So you think Fable Legends, and Tomb Raider aren't going to be released this year? Lol, great one Cowgenja

I definitely do not think Tomb Raider should release this year. MS clearly doesn't care about money as much as Sony, but I don't get paying as much money as they did for this only to dump it into a fall meat grinder that it can't possibly compete in. They should release Tomb Raider next summer when it can be the focus of attention. Forget Uncharted, Tomb Raider will have it's hands full just trying to be one of the top 5 selling games on Xbox One this fall, and that's assuming Fallout 4 isn't a fall game too. The way I see it, here's how the top 5 games on Xbox One will sell in the fall:

1) Halo 5

2) Black Ops 3

3) Star Wars Battlefront

4) Assassin's Creed Syndicate

5) Gears of War Remaster

After that you will have some combination of Tomb Raider, Rainbow Six Siege, Fable Legends, Forza 6, and maybe Just Cause 3. Tomb Raider could beat out the others for the 6 spot, but its hard to tell. Still, you'd think MS would want to release this game when it has a better chance of taking the headlines. There's a reason Square Enix thought the reboot was a disappointment. It didn't sell well enough to compete with the IPs in that top 5 I listed.

I get what you are saying, but Microsoft likes to have a lot of exclusives from September -> December, because that way they sell the most consoles in the holiday season. What better thing to say then: We've got Forza Motorsport 6, Halo 5, Fable Legends, Tomb Raider, GoW, new CoD, new AC, and SW BF. It looks like they are THE console to own, with the most and best games. It's all marketing... I don't got a problem with it, because this way I'll probably buy Halo 5 during holiday season, and then when I've finished it, the other games will have dropped in price, and I can play them during times that there aren't that many games to play, as is the case at the moment.

True but again I think that goes back to them not caring how many games they sell which is odd because that's how most console manufacturers make their money back. Most people will be like you and pick up 1 to 4 titles, and get the rest sometime in 2016 when the price drops. That means MS won't profit as much since people aren't buying when the price is highest.

That's an impressive lineup, but you'd have to have $400 in hand for games this fall to buy most of them and even then you'd never get around to playing all of them until some time in 2016.

Sony has long taken the opposite approach to maximize game sales. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony delayed Uncharted 4 on purpose to hit the early 2016 window. Infamous Second Son sold 1 million copies in just 9 days in March 2014. Order 1886 was the top seller for a couple of weeks this February even after all the bad press. Bloodborne has sold extremely well for them too. Uncharted 4 will clean up in the same time frame next year. It will be all anyone talks about. Right after E3, Planetside 2 launches on PS4 on June 23, and I think the God of War 3 remaster releases in July.

So Sony is content to let MS battle COD, EA, and Assassin's Creed in the fall and let those games carry their owners, and then dominate the headlines the rest of the year.

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We may have a surprise or two. I think it would be hilarious if Sony was pretending to wrap the show then the Last Guardian developers come out on stage to announce the game for fall as if this was 2010 or whenever it was supposed to be out and they weren't late. haha

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There is still the new Rare game... And I prefer Microsoft announcing a title and releasing it in a 1-1.5 year window (QB the only exception), compared to ND teasing UC4 in November 2013, and releasing it 2.5 years later...

Is that so? Because it looks like Crackdown, Fable Legends, Scalebound, and Tomb Raider still aren't on a store shelf in sight. Funny that. Please, I love a good fairytale. Don't let anything like reality stop you.

So you think Fable Legends, and Tomb Raider aren't going to be released this year? Lol, great one Cowgenja

I definitely do not think Tomb Raider should release this year. MS clearly doesn't care about money as much as Sony, but I don't get paying as much money as they did for this only to dump it into a fall meat grinder that it can't possibly compete in. They should release Tomb Raider next summer when it can be the focus of attention. Forget Uncharted, Tomb Raider will have it's hands full just trying to be one of the top 5 selling games on Xbox One this fall, and that's assuming Fallout 4 isn't a fall game too. The way I see it, here's how the top 5 games on Xbox One will sell in the fall:

1) Halo 5

2) Black Ops 3

3) Star Wars Battlefront

4) Assassin's Creed Syndicate

5) Gears of War Remaster

After that you will have some combination of Tomb Raider, Rainbow Six Siege, Fable Legends, Forza 6, and maybe Just Cause 3. Tomb Raider could beat out the others for the 6 spot, but its hard to tell. Still, you'd think MS would want to release this game when it has a better chance of taking the headlines. There's a reason Square Enix thought the reboot was a disappointment. It didn't sell well enough to compete with the IPs in that top 5 I listed.

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So that means it will actually be a full Forza game this time? Congrats. It still doesn't have as many cars and tracks as Forza 4. This is what happens when you force a racing sim out every two years. The cars and tracks don't change in real life much if at all, so you're content from release to release isn't gonna change much. This is the one exception since Forza 5 shipped with far less content than Forza 4 had. It was basically like calling GT5 Prologue a full Gran Turismo release.

Some people always have something to bitch about. It has 450 cars, and 26 tracks. FM4 had +500 cars, and 26 tracks... Those +50 cars really make the difference...

It does when this thing is supposed to be next gen. What if Call of Duty Black Ops 3 shows up with half the game modes of Black Ops 2, or maybe they decide to leave out Kill Confirmed mode? You don't think anyone would complain? Honestly Forza 5 was a bit of a disgrace in that regard.

Also does this mean its 450 of the 500 cars Forza 4 had, or did they add new ones which drops even more off the list from Forza 4? If the tracks are the same 26 tracks, then people are going to pay $60 for what amounts to a Forza 4 remaster minus 50+ cars.

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So that means it will actually be a full Forza game this time? Congrats. It still doesn't have as many cars and tracks as Forza 4. This is what happens when you force a racing sim out every two years. The cars and tracks don't change in real life much if at all, so you're content from release to release isn't gonna change much. This is the one exception since Forza 5 shipped with far less content than Forza 4 had. It was basically like calling GT5 Prologue a full Gran Turismo release.