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#1  Edited By -ArchAngeL-777-
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@FoxbatAlpha said:
Sony does have no games when you compare the list to the ONE machine. Crackdown 3, Elite Dangerous, Space Engineer, Scalebound and all the other big titles that were announced. E3 is going to be one hell of a ride! I can't wait!

Not a single one of those will be out this year. Elite Dangerous is out for PC and will be on PS4 as well. Scalebound looks like a title that won't meet the hype...the next Ryse.

MS has basically told us everything that they have for the next two years.

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Great thread Shew but it is all insecurity. The One is selling better than the 360.

There will be games and megatons at E3 from Microsoft.

If I was a cow I would be worried about Sony. So far you guys have a 1TB sku that you guys will talk yourself into that it stole the show. We all know Sony is scrapping the barrel and momentum ends without something behind it.

Thanks for your concern. Microsoft Won E3 already.

No one is worried about Sony. Sony has a lot of studios working on stuff we have no idea about. Media Molecule, Guerrilla Games, Naughty Dog has a second team working on some unannounced project, Sony Bend, Sony Japan, Sony Santa Monica, Quantic Dream...E3 and the rest of this year like the Paris show are more about exactly what these studios are doing.

Also, they have games announced for this year that don't have release dates yet like No Man's Sky, Hellblade from Ninja Theory, and Rime. We know Gran Turismo 7 is in works as well.

Besides all that, does anyone even care? PS4 has been running away from XB1 without any of Sony's biggest name titles that historically move systems...no Uncharted, no God of War, no Gran Turismo, and we got Knack instead of Ratchet and Clank. Meanwhile, MS has been pushing out Halo, Forza, TitanFall, and Sunset Overdrive, and still they had to drop the price all the way to $350 to finally start to see any glimmer of hope.

I wouldn't say no one is worried. Two big games this year were delayed here from 2014. Teh Order and Bloodbath. It actually worked out ok since there was a Holiday drought from Sony.

All those studios you list are just hope right now. If they don't announce something then don't count on seeing anything in retail for a long ass time. Plus, ND is working on Uncharted 4 and the recently announced Nathan Drake Collection so that might sum up the "untitled project" from earlier.

No Mans Sky will eventually come to Xbox ONE. They announced it as multiplat but changed it in the last year just to accommodate Sony's lack of anything.

By the time No Man's Sky gets to Xbox One, Sony will have gotten everything they needed for it. It will never match the hype it gets when it releases on PS4. And really no one cared that Bloodborne and Order 1886 got delayed except those that want to argue. DriveClub and LBP3 sold very well, and the fall being that it is has no shortage of games to play.

MS seems to think they have to overload fall with all their games for the year, but all that does is cause them to cannibalize each other in sales. Forza Horizon 2 and Sunset Overdrive got swept aside. Tomb Raider will this year too. Its not a big enough title that you can release it near halo 5, COD, Assassin's Creed, and Star Wars Battlefront (and possibly Fallout 4) and expect it to not get overlooked. That's not even mentioning Forza 6 and Gears of War remake.

Also, Not every game gets spoiled 2 years before release. Sony announced Little Big Planet 3 at E3 last year for a fall release. So no, it's not just hope. I think we will see one, maybe two fall titles announced with the rest being a look at 2016 titles.

Still even if they don't announced anything more, Planetside 2 comes June 23. God of War 3 remaster is in July. Everyone's Gone to the Rapture is out this summer. Add Tearaway, Bloodborne, Order 1886, and the Uncharted Collection to that, and that's not a bad year at all. If all those launched in the fall, no one would be saying PS4 has no games. They just spread them out for better sales. That's no including the others I mentioned like Rime, Hellblade, and No Man's Sky.

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If you're judging this by how many systems you collect, then maybe I'm a 3 or a 4. I've sold legacy systems before and typically don't get more than one console per generation.

If you're judging by games bought and time played...im a 7 or 8.

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@FoxbatAlpha said:

Great thread Shew but it is all insecurity. The One is selling better than the 360.

There will be games and megatons at E3 from Microsoft.

If I was a cow I would be worried about Sony. So far you guys have a 1TB sku that you guys will talk yourself into that it stole the show. We all know Sony is scrapping the barrel and momentum ends without something behind it.

Thanks for your concern. Microsoft Won E3 already.

No one is worried about Sony. Sony has a lot of studios working on stuff we have no idea about. Media Molecule, Guerrilla Games, Naughty Dog has a second team working on some unannounced project, Sony Bend, Sony Japan, Sony Santa Monica, Quantic Dream...E3 and the rest of this year like the Paris show are more about exactly what these studios are doing.

Also, they have games announced for this year that don't have release dates yet like No Man's Sky, Hellblade from Ninja Theory, and Rime. We know Gran Turismo 7 is in works as well.

I'm not even sure it matters how much Halo, Forza, and Gears of War MS keeps showing up with since PS4 has built this lead without any of its biggest selling titles. The biggest thing they have put out is a Last of Us remaster.

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They had a big shake up at Evolution early last year. I don't know who these guys are, but if they are doing VR I could care less. VR IMO is the next Kinect gimmick. If there's anything that I can see Sony tripping up on this gen, its Morpheus if Sony goes all Kinect on us and starts pushing it like MS did last gen.

Evolution also did Motorstorm which the first two Motorstorm games were excellent on PS3...far better than DriveClub imo

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The problem I have had with MS since 360 is that they spent more on 3rd party exclusives than building up their own 1st party. The ps3 caught up because Sony pounded them with 1st party games and not relying on a trinity of games in halo, gears and forza.

Its really all semantics. It doesn't matter if the exclusive came from a first party or third party. A good game is a good game. Not to mention that outsourcing production is sometimes more productive than doing it in house....

From the consumer's perspective, it's not a big difference. An exclusive is an exclusive.

Overall, though it does matter because third party developers tend to move on and don't necessarily march to your schedule. For instance, when Bungie and Epic both moved on from Halo and Gears of War, MS had to tie up 343 and Black Rock to babysit those IPs. If Halo and Gears of War had been done by first party studios, then 343 and Black Rock would be working on new IPs instead. Maybe one of them comes up with that answer to Uncharted that caused Phil to go pay for Tomb Raider. We won't ever know now. As big as Halo and Gears are, the fact they were developed by third party studios is now costing MS extra.

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Honestly, this titles doesn't look that good. What I saw of it so far just doesn't seem fun at all.

Either way, I don't expect this will be out sooner than June of 2016. It could end up being a fall 2016 title since MS doesn't seem to want to put anything out except during Fall.

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As for whether this game comes to PS4, I don't think it will matter. It won't be for a year or so if it happens, and by that time, PS4 owners will have moved on to whatever is hot at that time. It doesn't seem to me that timed exclusives that release on another platform long after the initial release sell very well at all. So that kind of waters down the PS4 install base argument.

Again Tomb Raider is not that big anymore, so Sony might not even care. Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, and Last of Us are all bigger name titles and much better sellers. All 3 of those are on PS4 already. I'm sure if Square wants to bring it, they will let them. I wouldn't expect Sony to go out of their way for it though.

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haha funny stuff. Good post too. Yeah I don't know what they are going to do. Clearly they have now renamed Black Tusk studios, so we can expect Gears of War every two years from now on. So Halo and Forza will not be the only dead horses they will beat on for years to come.

We've already seen them put a lot of money out for Ryse from Crytek, TitanFall from Respawn, Sunset Overdrive from Insomniac, and now Tomb Raider from Square Enix. So far it hasn't made a dent. The only thing that has helped is for them to take it on the chin with that historic price cut down to $350.

Still, Sony is thoroughly dominating Xbox One outside of the US. XB1 has to DESTROY PS4 in the US just to break even on a week to week basis with PS4. As you pointed out, that isn't happening. So the gap keeps growing in PS4's favor.

This gen is over if you asked me. There is nothing MS can do short of buying up EA or Ubisoft or both to turn this thing around. They need to hope Sony trips over itself and does something really stupid in the next year or so.

Short of that, I think MS needs to position themselves for a better run in the next console generation. They need to build up more first party studios and get them started on new IPs that MS owns. The over reliance on third party studios to fill in the gaps is now killing them. 343 is caught up babysitting Halo. Black Tusk is babysitting Gears of War. Also, Halo and Forza are getting long in the teeth and are not the draw they used to be. EA is bringing TitanFall 2 to PS4 as well. If Sunset Overdrive even gets a sequel, MS doesn't own that either. I wouldn't be surprised if Insomniac finds a publisher to put it on both platforms.

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It's not even going to matter. MS has totally boned this one up. They pumped all this money into Tomb Raider, only to release it right in the face of a fall tidal wave of some of the industry's best sellers. Halo 5, Black Ops 3, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, and Star Wars Battlefront all release within the same 30 day period as the rumored Tomb Raider November release. Factoring in Forza 6 and the Gears of War remaster, Tomb Raider will be lucky to land in the top 5 sales on Xbox One this fall. If Fallout 4 gets a fall release date, it's game over for Tomb Raider.

MS blew it. They should have released this game either this summer (if its ready) or next summer. As you pointed out, Tomb Raider is not the big seller anymore. That's why Square Enix was not pleased with its sales. It did good sales, but not near enough to compete with the likes of Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Battlefront, or God forbid, Halo or COD. This title needs to be in a window of it's own where it can dominate the headlines.

Exactly how many $60 games does MS think people buy at once, and where do you really think Tomb Raider falls in most people's priority on this list? PS4 gets most of these games too. So we now are supposed to think Fallout 4, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, COD Black Ops 3, Just Cause 3, Star Wars Battlefront, and the Uncharted Collection with an UC4 beta are not enough to tide a PS4 owner over for a few months to Uncharted 4? That they can't spend enough money on that list, and now just HAVE to spend $400+ on an XB1 and Tomb Raider? haha.

The fact MS released this title in the fall leads me more to believe this is more for Xbox One owners to not bail for Uncharted 4 than it is to actually expect PS4 owners to jump to XB1. Halo 5 is going to be the one that attracts new XB1 owners.