[QUOTE="desyple"]lost odyssey would not need to be four discs if it was on blu ray. i love it how the person that asked that question completely ignored this fact. 360 users can look forward to a 2-3 disc ffXIII.SpinoRaptor

And you can look forward to a 20 minute, 4gb installation :)

We already had that with DMC4, didnt really bother much.

What's important here is the lense's life. You guys already have your RROD. Oh and that's right, a very handful of disc reading errors :) I wonder why...

I'm really tired of all this "The 360 uses outdated hardware because it doesnt have Blu Ray" or "This game is only possible on Blu Ray"

Lets look at some facts:

1) Blu Ray is too slow at 2x to stream data off the disc hence the installs

2) A lot of 1st party and exclusive 3rd party games require installs that are up to 5 gb in size for many games

-Hot Shots Golf

-MGS4

Multiplat:

-DMC4

-SC4

-GTA4

etc etc

3) If you've played MGS4 you know how many load screens there are, there are load screen for MENUS. Also:

-About 20 mins worth of installs 4.5 gb of space used up

-Installs in between every chapter even after you've gone through them once

4) MGS4 was confirmed to be about 33gb from someone who used a pc Blu Ray drive:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2b1574.jpg

5) Remember FF13"only possible on Blu Ray"?

In reality 2x Blu Ray is gimped. Sorry but thats the truth. If it was at 4x it would be an advantage. But at 2x there is a trade off with Blu Ray, installations and hard drive space or getting up and changing a disc every 12 hours. I'd rather change discs.

mephisto_11

Actually those installs are only benefitable.

It puts alot less strain on the bluray lense and hence giving it a longer life cycle.

So by all means, if my system remains operational for 10 years, let there be hours and hours of installs.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

MS biggest issue this and last gen is their image, people see them as some evil corporation because they charge alot of money for products people need; like operating systems and software. Then they look at Sony's products; leisure items like TVs, things that aren't essential. For some reason they seem to think this means its o.k for them to be wildly over-priced and they pay £1000 for blu-ray player no questions asked, when it comes to £150 worth of essential software, suddenly its 'over-priced'. When I asked the few people I know with a ps3 why they didn't buy a 360, the answer was basically "well its MS isn't it", some didn't even know about RROD or even the games the 360 offered. How are MS supposed to combat that? i think they've done pretty well this gen considering. I dont love MS, but surely 'looking out for the consumer' would be making sure your 'games console' had at least a few good games releasing within a year of it.

Thats just my opinion anyway.

ukillwegrill

Going up againts the "Sony" name is an uphill battle anyways. Add in there poor image and it's almost an impossible feat.

MS have indeed done well.All my friends who owned PS2's have the Xbox360 instead of a PS3.

I could pretty much say the other way around regarding my friends.

Just for the record, how many of your friends are at their...let's say 3rd system?

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]Even though they rushed out there product just so they could be first they came out with a bunch or flawed consoles. Who cares if they gave a big warranty, thats not looking out for the consumer, look out for the consumer would be to wait a year and put out a product that doesn't suck. Norule04

I don't love ms, but you can say the same for sony and nintendo. Sony's ps2 had just as much problems and nintendo has been F****** europe to death, they even got fined for it by the EU. At least ms is offering additional 3 years of warranty..did sony do the same?? Did nintendo stop f***** europe (smash brothers)??

I've been hearing plenty of stuff regarding the PS2 pass yet nither myself or my friends have ever experienced issues with it. The only people I know to have had problems with the "reading eye" were those who chipped their system for burned cds. Other than that, my "fat" ps2 is 8 years old and is still alive and kicking. Have you any links or proofs for all this nonsense?

Both look damn identical to the naked eye.

Anyone trying to dispute this is a pure fanboy.

All of the above + PSP and DS

Also just about to spend £1500 on a decent PC soon.

carlisledavid79

You really have no worries in life, do you?

I'll say Mario without a doubt and I really wouldnt own a WII for a 100$ price drop.

This might be the longest released franchise ever...even more than FF13 and possibly Commander Keen.

Completly agree! Only a blind fanboy can disagree with thatPAL360

Dont you mean the other way around?

Seriously, it's been like three years since the start of the generation... by this time last gen we had all sorts of crazy PC stuff coming out that was ridiculously beyond the capabilities of consoles, but this gen we apparently only have Crysis. Either I haven't noticed a lot of in development PC games, or developers are starting to get lazy with the PC...Funkyhamster

You can pretty much sum everything up with one word: Crysis.

This game must have been the biggest leap ever in graphics terms. I mean if 2 8800GTX cant run it over 9(!) fps under

Ultra settings, then what can? The ridiculous sources needed to power this game + PC's piracy = 360\ps3 port.

There's no point in making a superbly looking game when only 10th of the world's gamers can have it running.