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#1 7suarez7
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[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Those are theoretical ploygon counts that aren't representative of what they actually did. Especially since the ones you posted for Xbox are without textures applied, and the GC you posted are with Texture and effects. Using the theoretical numbers that you posted, the PS2 was more capable of pushing polygons then the GC, but you'd only have to look at how badly RE4 was butchered on the PS2 to realize that wasn't the case. The Xbox was more powerful, but because of the shaders and other newer technology it had added onto the GPU that the GC did not have, it couldn't push out as many polygons.

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Of course those numbers are theoretical, but at the end of the day unless there is some compelling document that proves otherwise than the technical specs I have to rule it likely that there is a gap between the two systems in polygon count -- in favor of the Xbox.

I'm citing everything... I'm using technical sheets, developer comments on each system's power, Gamespot/IGN comments... there's really no shortage of documents, interviews, quotes and anecdotes about the Xbox's power over the Gamecube.

Of course I've played Metroid Prime and Wind Waker and I know those games are very pretty. But comparing Xbox to Gamecube first party games on graphical prowess is really getting very subjective. Some people believe Xbox games like Riddick and Ninja Gaiden look better than not only everything on the Gamecube, but everything on the Wii. Others will say to their grave that RE4 was the height of graphical attainment last-gen. It becomes much more of an opinion when we start delving into that there.

But I think it speaks volumes that I can't find, or see any recorded info about a dev saying, in reference to a Gamecube game, "that's not possible on Xbox". But there are tons of Xbox games where devs say "that's not possible on Gamecube".

And yes, back to Cafe I suppose. :)

Here's where you're getting wrong though. In theory the Xbox can push more polygons, it is more powerful, I never denied that, but it wastes a lot fo that power on extra effects that he GC didn't add, like the newest shader model. So in the end, Xbox is capable of more effects more easily then the GC, like bump mapping and better lighting, but is not capable of putting as many polygons as a game like Rogue Squadron 3, which had more polygons then any other game in the generation.

As I said it has unnessesary power. The GCN had the biggest poly game, it also had arguable the best looking game (RE4) in the gen. Based on these 2 ALONE it is at least as good as the Xbox graphically, not power wise, graphic-wise. Let's get back on topic now.
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[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The source who leaked the next Nintendo (and was right) back in April also added it was a bit more powerful than the Xbox 360.KC_Hokie
Now you're just plucking crap out of your arse. Those weren't official specs, they are as believeable as the recent leak. We have yet to receive the real specs from Nintendo.

The source never listed specific specs but did state the next Nintendo isn't much more powerful than the Xbox 360. And this source was correct on the Nintendo Cafe rumors and NGP specs.

Yet it is still nothing official from Nintendo. Also, what Cafe "rumours" was it correct on? We've yet to even SEE the Cafe, lmao. IGN said it will be at least 3 times as powerful as 360, IGN. Now we have this new spec sheet showing it to be 6x as powerful. We shall see in 6 days.
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Microsoft will fail next gen.

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No chance, they are on the up.
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I think the 3rd console curse applies to WINNING a console generation...........which MS hasnt won yet. Maybe they are due? I dunno, but i dont think they have to worry about the curse since they havent won anything :P And the the "curse" is usually self inflicted by the respective company's own arrogance. See Ninty, Sega, and Sony's 3rd consoles and behavior ;)navyguy21
N64 was hardly a failure.
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[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Based on the preliminary specs the next Nintendo is barely more powerful than the PS3/Xbox 360 and therefore more of a half step towards the next generation (like the Sega Dreamcast). KC_Hokie
Preliminary what? You mean the recent rumoured specs?

The source who leaked the next Nintendo (and was right) back in April also added it was a bit more powerful than the Xbox 360.

Now you're just plucking crap out of your arse. Those weren't official specs, they are as believeable as the recent leak. We have yet to receive the real specs from Nintendo.
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Of course those numbers are theoretical, but at the end of the day unless there is some compelling document that proves otherwise than the technical specs I have to rule it likely that there is a gap between the two systems in polygon count -- in favor of the Xbox.I'm citing everything... I'm using technical sheets, developer comments on each system's power, Gamespot/IGN comments... there's really no shortage of documents, interviews, quotes and anecdotes about the Xbox's power over the Gamecube.Of course I've played Metroid Prime and Wind Waker and I know those games are very pretty. But comparing Xbox to Gamecube first party games on graphical prowess is really getting very subjective. Some people believe Xbox games like Riddick and Ninja Gaiden look better than not only everything on the Gamecube, but everything on the Wii. Others will say to their grave that RE4 was the height of graphical attainment last-gen. It becomes much more of an opinion when we start delving into that there.But I think it speaks volumes that I can't find, or see any recorded info about a dev saying, in reference to a Gamecube game, "that's not possible on Xbox". But there are tons of Xbox games where devs say "that's not possible on Gamecube".And yes, back to Cafe I suppose. :)

Lol I stopped reading when you said Xbox games look better than Wii games.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Last gen the xbox also had DVD like the PS2 and cost the same and flopped hard. Yeah the PS3 was only bough for Blu-ray i my self buy it for Blu-Ray for blu-ray games..lol 147 million games sold last year,that is almost 3 games per PS3 dude.

Yes, which is why the Xbox flopped much harder than the GCN. The GCN had games, just no DVD player which was the holy grail back then. A lot of GCN's fanbase was eaten away from PS2/Xbox beucase they had DVD players. And almost 3 games per PS3 is hardly great is it? I have over 30 on my 360, over 25 on my Wii and I still have 20+ Gamecube games. Anyway, the PS3 does have some good games but a BIG reason people are buying it is for the blue ray player.

Much harder the GC sold 22 million units the xbox sold 25...lol they are almost tied...My god xbox fans have an incredible distortion when it comes to numbers,if 3 million is huge i wonder what 125 million is. The xbox had dvd and loss 25 millions vs 150 millions the GC sold 22 it was almost a tied what MS and nintendo had check your numbers. The fact that you have 25 games on xbox 360 doesn't mean the 53 million 360 owners also have 25 games,also those 147 million games sold were just sold last year,in other word the PS3 sold almost 3 games per console last year not bad for a console that was bough to see movies.

Read my post. *facepalm*
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[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Consoles caught between generations while trying to appeal to 'core' gamers don't do well. Based on the preliminary reports the next Nintendo is a half step at best towards the next generation. KC_Hokie
So 6x PS3/360 isn't enough for "next gen"? The 360 was only 4x the original Xbox. If the rumoured specs are correct it will compete with 720/PS4 because 1. Microsoft will only release a year after Nintendo therefore not much power difference. 2. Sony will not go the route of the PS3 again and lose billions therefore weaker console. So, when will my gf get pregnant then?

Based on the preliminary specs the next Nintendo is barely more powerful than the PS3/Xbox 360 and therefore more of a half step towards the next generation (like the Sega Dreamcast).

Preliminary what? You mean the recent rumoured specs?
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Less ram is never like more ram. Also the 360/ps3 have 512mb ram, so 2x for 1gb and 3x for the rumored 1.5gb, not 4x at all, or in any way.

GPU RAM is 4x.

360 has 512 shared, 512 x 4 = 2048, not gonna lie, your math is kinda fail.

Ok. 4x PS3.
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#10 7suarez7
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] You're right. Why wait? You could write those articles today. Coolyfett

Yeah, real smart proclaiming doom and gloom on a system just two months after its launch. Look where that got us with the PS3.

It came out in Feb 2011

Very late Feb and only in Japan. *facepalm*