@faithxvoid: Basically the same experience but with the Xbox Elite 2. Love the heft and feel of that controller, but had to send it in for repairs 4 times while under warranty and looking at forums I wasn't alone.
They just send you back refurbished ones and they're not repaired very well to boot, which is why I had to send them back so many times. Now the one I've got has the shoulder button problems and it's out of warranty and I'm not about to try and solder on replacements myself after watching even seasoned tinkerers complain about the difficulty in replacing them without semi-expensive tools.
I had been using the back paddles to act as effective replacements, but then the grips started to unglue themselves and decided to give these a try. I was very impressed and now have 2 of the 2.4ghz version. The second one I bought for my kid as his first and he loves it. My only complaint is the battery is pretty weak requiring it to always be charging when not in use. The elite2 would last me several days without charging.
@MigGui: How is it "nitpicking parts while ignoring the rest" when the fundamental element is exposed for all to see? Your primary argument is that ALL reviews are purely opinion based, but then you point out that Michelin Reviewers are held to a particular standard, meaning that there is something GREATER than mere opinion when it comes to their reviews, thus the contradiction in your argumentation is formed.
That is DEVESTATING to your primary argument, and I honestly don't understand how you can't comprehend this.
I have been addressing each and every one of your points up until now, so I don't get where this comment about me being a bad faith debater is coming from, but ok?
@MigGui: You know nothing about the Michelin ranking system if you think it is down to an individual's "opinion".
>"Someone whose opinion of a 10/10 being the pizza joint just wouldn’t be hired by Michelin."
YES, because they have STANDARDS about how a Michelin Star evaluation must be performed. In other words it is NOT just an opinion. Congratulations you completely destroyed your own argument.
>"...just means a 10/10 is a mainstream 10/10."
No, that is not what it means at all. There are plenty of 10/10 games that are NOT mainstream. For instance "Into the Breach" is anything BUT mainstream. Same for "Disco Elysium" and "Journey", all of which got 10/10 from Gamespot.
>"Moreover, game critics are professionals, but not as pedantic as food or movie or art critics which means their reviews are closer to what regular folk like."
Is THAT why they regularly are outliers in their reviews when it comes to the review circuit including metacritic? It seems that GG was started precisely BECAUSE this was not actually the case...
>"And literally what you’re saying is a game is just as good as its average score, and outliers are wrong."
No, not at all. Quite the opposite actually. I'm saying that 10/10 games have a quality about them that is demonstrable. For instance, there are cases where a 10/10 game gets review bombed or punished by game review websites, but they shine through nonetheless. This is the same as when rotten tomatoes has the "professional" reviewers rate a movie rotten, but the audience overwhelmingly loves it. As such you have a bimodal situation, and the "professional" reviewers prove themselves out of touch with the "regular folk" as you put it.
Again we established that contrarians exist, but their existence does not refute the reality of what it means to be a 10/10 game.
>"Me acknowledging most people, and most critics, give it a 10 doesn’t make it a 10 for me."
Never said it did. In fact I stated this sentiment already, that someone who doesn't like a 10/10 game can at least recognize WHY the game is a 10/10 because that is what it takes to be a true 10/10 game. I don't like Disco Elysium and would rate it a 4/10 for myself personally, but that doesn't mean that I can't recognize the qualities of the game that got it a 10/10, I'm just not the intended audience.
>"Other people in this comment section say “there is no way this game is a 10, it’s an 8 at best” but reviewers in general give it a 10."
And MOST of those people said this before the game even came out. Remember this review was pre-launch. Again, we can acknowledge that contrarians exist without compromising the reality that there is an objective standard to 10/10 games that is not solely based in opinion.
@MigGui: You missed it on both counts actually. It's a much more neutral take closer to:
"A 10/10 game is the kind of game that everyone can recognize as a 10/10 game even if it's not something that they would personally like to play."
The point of pushing sales and consoles was evidence that the detractors of BotW who claim it was overhyped, overrated and undeserving of its success are in fact the contrarian minority. Most people who think that BotW isn't their cup of tea can still understand why it was so wildly lauded.
>"I disagree with both options, anyway. Every review is a matter of taste."
This is a product of the modern game reviewer. Game reviews used to have standards and didn't leave everything up to the reviewer's personal opinion. This is what caused GG after all.
Think of it this way. A Michelin Star is a highly coveted award for restaurants. It identifies them as a producer of the highest quality of food and service in the world.
If the Michelin review process was as fickle as to be a matter of opinion of the reviewer, then the star would be MEANINGLESS, because it wasn't holding to any objective standard and maybe the reviewer simply doesn't like the kind of food you produce. Maybe they only like pizza and beer and your fancy french cuisine simply isn't their cup of tea.
THAT is the problem with this mentality that all reviews are just "a matter of taste".
@MigGui: You've gone so far afield of what I've actually said that it's quite comical. My primary point was that a rating of 10 should NOT be a "matter of taste" situation.
I'm happy for the game doing well, but you my friend are missing the forest for the trees here. The fact you brought up MetaCritic giving it a high score is CONFIRMING my original point, not refuting it.
It's showing that the game is not a 10/10 "as a matter of taste" but it is legitimately a genre defining game worthy of the award.
@joecollin: I never debated that the 10/10 is their opinion, I'm saying that by Gamespots own measuring stick, a 10/10 is a "Essential", meaning something that anyone who is into gaming should try. As such, it should not JUST be an opinion, but it should be backed by much more than that, hence my original response.
To put it another way a chef at a restaurant can serve up raw chicken to customers and call it Haute Cuisine, but that doesn't mean their opinion should be validated. In fact quite the opposite.
There has to be some substantial substance behind their choice to declare a 10/10 that is beyond mere opinion, which is my point.
@MigGui: Sure contrarions exist, no one is debating that, but the point is that they should be an outlier for a 10/10 game, not a sizeable minority of the people playing it.
Also there is the reality that you can hate a game while ALSO recognizing it's placement in the 10/10 rating. For example, you bring up that you didn't like BotW, but no one can deny that the game was wildly popular and helped pushed Switch sales into the stratosphere. That is the recognition of a 10/10 game, even if you don't personally agree with that rating.
@tronrad9000: Your "concern" about the time I spend on gaming websites is noted "bruh".
Though the funny thing is that I spend less than an hour a week typically on any gaming websites, so I think you might be projecting a bit there bucko.
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