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#1 Alleluia_Cone
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[QUOTE="Alleluia_Cone"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

The 1st problem with the "The PS3 is selling faster than the x360 at this point" argument is that the x360 is out-selling the PS3 NOW with no signs of that changing. Any possible ground the PS3 is supposedly gaining on the x360 is being offset by the sales of the x360 NOW.

The other problem with the argument is that Feb07 NPD numbers showed the PS3 being outsold by a whopping 101k units. The x360 sold 160k units in Feb06. Technically, the PS3 still has a "lead" of 40k at this point, but if March07 turns out like Feb07, then the PS3's "lead" will no longer exist.LosDaddie

The United States is, at most, 35-40% of the market. If current trends do hold, the Xbox 360 couldn't possibly sale more than 1-1.5 million consoles in Japan or get anywhere close to 20 million consoles in the PAL regions. Which is to say that I think the Xbox 360 will sale more units than the Playstation 3 in America (possibly 10 million more) but that in no way will insure that it finishes first in worldwide sales, not even second.

Despite the "great" sales of the PS3 in Europe, the x360 is still doing darn good in the region. I believe there are over 3million x360s sold in the region.

The simple fact is that the x360 is in position to gain a ton of marketshare this gen while the PS3 stands to lose a ton of market-share. Right now, the PS3 will be lucky to sel l half of what the PS2 sold.

You are right about the 3 million, but that is about half of what it has sold in the United States. For Microsoft to sell even 65 million consoles this generation it would probably have to sell something in the neighborhood of 40 million consoles in America. It sold 16 million last generation, so you're asking for it to more than double its output--and this is with me giving Europe more than 20 million consoles which would more than double its output there. I just don't think it can sell at that rate, it certainly hasn't this past year and I doubt it will in the future.
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#2 Alleluia_Cone
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I think the Xbox 360 will maintain a sales advantage in the United States possibly for the entire generation. But it just doesn't sell that well in Europe and in Japan, well, even if you could somehow double sales there it would still sale less than half of what the Playstation 3 does or 1/10th of what the Wii has been selling.
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#3 Alleluia_Cone
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Maybe I'm alone on this, but I did not enjoy Twilight Princess at all. It felt way too much like a rehash (as did God of War 2, to be fair) of a previous game. It was basically like playing Ocarina of Time with better graphics, only, ten times as easy. As for the controls on the Wii, those just seemed tacked on to me and didn't really add anything to the enjoyment of the game.

I think the series needs a massive rehaul.

-- They need to get rid of Ganondorf.

-- They have to completely switch settings, anywhere but Hyrule with the desert, forest, water, etc. 

-- They need to add a lot of mini-games in order to break the monotony of a battle system that honestly hasn't changed in a decade. 

-- Voice acting, and getting rid of MIDI files would be nice.  

-- Most of all, they really have to ramp up the difficulty, the last game was a joke, I honestly didn't die once during the entire game (I fell off a cliff two or three times, I don't know if that counts).

I'm also surprised that the game seems to be universally loved. My brother and I have been playing the series since its inception and we both think the latest incarnation is the worst of the bunch. 

Favorite: Majora's Mask 

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[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Alleluia_Cone"] I'll defend Ragnarok1051 to a degree, and I own a Nintendo Wii. For one thing, for all that has been said about the lack of good games on the Playstation 3, I don't think the Wii has a single good game on it that isn't a port (and even that was disappointing in my opinion, being a rehash of a game that came out almost a decade ago, only ten times easier). Moreover, looking at the release calender, it would seem that the only games to get excited about in so far as the Wii are concerned, are all published by Nintendo (i.e. Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Super Smash, and so on).

Gotta disagree the games look very good, and are going to be huge sellers, games like Animal crossing and My sims will be huge in Japan, much bigger than games like MGS or GT

To be fair, I have limited knowledge of what type of games the Japanese like. I've always thought that they're really into role-playing and gundam style games. In any case, I think as well that the Wii will sell many, many units in Japan. It wouldn't shock me if it finishes first over there. Although, overall, I think it will fade towards the end of the generation, it will just be so low-tech at that point
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The 1st problem with the "The PS3 is selling faster than the x360 at this point" argument is that the x360 is out-selling the PS3 NOW with no signs of that changing. Any possible ground the PS3 is supposedly gaining on the x360 is being offset by the sales of the x360 NOW.

The other problem with the argument is that Feb07 NPD numbers showed the PS3 being outsold by a whopping 101k units. The x360 sold 160k units in Feb06. Technically, the PS3 still has a "lead" of 40k at this point, but if March07 turns out like Feb07, then the PS3's "lead" will no longer exist.LosDaddie
The United States is, at most, 35-40% of the market. If current trends do hold, the Xbox 360 couldn't possibly sale more than 1-1.5 million consoles in Japan or get anywhere close to 20 million consoles in the PAL regions. Which is to say that I think the Xbox 360 will sale more units than the Playstation 3 in America (possibly 10 million more) but that in no way will insure that it finishes first in worldwide sales, not even second.
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#6 Alleluia_Cone
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]The Wii doesn't appeal to me, I hit puberty a long time ago.AvinashTyagi

So did alot of people its selling to, many who hit it long before you were even born, maybe even before your parents

Yeah the computer was first invented when my parents came along, nice arguement. The Wii fad will die in a year, once everyone realizes that the games arent that good.

its games are improving, and its getting more support, so no

Seriously what games are good that are coming that aren't Mario or Metroid? The Wii doesn't get any good new games.

Nights for one, My Sims, Animal Crossing, Disaster, Space Station tycoon, etc.

I'll defend Ragnarok1051 to a degree, and I own a Nintendo Wii. For one thing, for all that has been said about the lack of good games on the Playstation 3, I don't think the Wii has a single good game on it that isn't a port (and even that was disappointing in my opinion, being a rehash of a game that came out almost a decade ago, only ten times easier). Moreover, looking at the release calender, it would seem that the only games to get excited about in so far as the Wii are concerned, are all published by Nintendo (i.e. Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Super Smash, and so on).
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#7 Alleluia_Cone
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I think people should make the distinction between hardcore gamers and casual ones, especially in light of statements to the effect that people dislike the Playstation 3 because of Sony itself (i.e. its smugness, arrogance, lying, and so on).

The fact of the matter is, most consumers don't even read Sony press releases. The people on this board certainly do, as well as on other videogame forums, but it is by no means a wide-spread activity. So I see this as having little effect on the performance of the Playstation 3, or the Wii and Xbox 360 for that matter. Which is to say that the majority of the market, I would say upwards of 80%, do not care about the minutiae of the videogame world.

As an example of this, I think most people bought Gears of War because of the great commercial advertising it, not because of pre-release scans or hype by the videogame forum community.

So, if anything dictates the adoption rate of the Playstation 3, it is its price-point which is exceedingly high when compared to that of its predecessor at launch, and perhaps its "cool factor" in the popular media. Almost nothing else. 

 

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It would be highly unusual, but it is possible that in this generation Sony takes the PAL regions, Microsoft takes the American market, and Nintendo does likewise for the Japanese equivalent, so that, each console is a leader in a respective sales area.
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Microsoft should do something drastic, otherwise, if current console sales for the Xbox 360 in Japan hold (right now they're mirroring its predecessor), it will sell at most 1.0-1.5 million units during its entire life span.

For those predicting that the Xbox 360 will sell upwards of 60 million consoles, this means that it will have to sell something like 30 million both in America, which is possible, and in Europe, which is highly unlikely.

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#10 Alleluia_Cone
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For whatever reason I'm not too excited about this game. It kind of seems like Star Trek to me and I hate Star Trek.