Wow, most people just want a game. Any game, not really an RPG.

I picked 3, not because i like math, but it's the only one that really defines the RPG genre: indirect control of the PC's actions.

That was the basis of it's birth. And that's the way it should remain.

Other than DA:O, Torchlight or that game based on a German system, there are very few real RPG this gen. Most of them are action games with stats (that don't really count very much, the stats that is).

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You forgot 4) IW is pissed that the PC community pirated the game and releases the game exclusive to consoles just to spite PC gamers. It's not like they would lose any sales anyways..

AdrianWerner

They would..... if the CEO was a 5-year-old. There are two (well maybe actually 3) logical reasons for the number of pirated copies:

1) The really retarded one: There are that many pirates on PC => every PC gamer is a pirate

2) The dumb one: Most of those people did this just to spite Activision

3) The reasonable one: A lot of people wanted to play the game for the SP since the MP was worse than COD4 and a 5 hour game doesn't warrant a 60 freaking dollar purchase.

Chilling, but at the same time I wish it had text of conversations and not computer errors and such... WestSideAzn

Exactly as the thread says. Over 500.000 pager messages have been leaked. You can find them at wikileaks.org.

You will find a lot of garbage in those messages but there are som secret service convesations (ex. possible Air Force One threats)

link: http://911.wikileaks.org/

Somethin interesting:

2001-09-11 09:52:02 Metrocall {1175659} 1 2400

Frm: MSN Txt: Kavitha Sunand Nair: bomb was diffused at the heliport at pentagon. white house and pentagon being emptied.....

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No, but when a developer refuses to work on certain platforms (I wouldn't count Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft considering they primarily make consoles so obviously wouldn't make products on a competitors console) and constantly hurls insults at a certain console, I don't think you can call them some unique butterfly that cares about gamers.

And Kojima is a hack.

Pixel-Pirate

Even if it is true it shows immaturity to do so. And I apologize, I simply always hear people talking about how Valve cares about it's customers which Is, In my opinion, bull. Valve cares about Money and would have no problem ripping you off to get that money, just like every company in gaming including Nintendo.

I personally don't hold Valve as a "legendary" dev team and I find their games bland and unoriginal, but that is my opinion.

1. Actually Valve cares about it's customers much more than the other companies. How many devs or publishers continue to update their games even 2 years after its release? How about free content packs (with a ton of content)? Supporting mods and modders? Pricing their games accordingly?...

2. Every company cares abot money, show me one that doesn't. But there is one thing that developers (like a certain Activision) lack: moral integrity.

3. Valve has been one of the companies that introduced several great trends in gaming. So yeah, they are good developers.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"] This has more to do with the PS3's lack of popularity around the world however.Danm_999

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I'm talking about how the genre should be, not the name not action games with some stats.

The player should never have direct control over the character. The player is just someone who's just telling the character what to do and what to say. How well you can aim in a FPS should never matter because it's not you the one aiming. And the success of an action should never be determined by your skill at some mini-game, but by your character's stats.

To me The Sims has more RPG elements than most of today's games (Mass Effect, Fallout 3, etc). It's not that they're bad games, just not really RPGs.

SparkyProtocol

No it doesn't. You have a lot of stats, yes, but they really don't do much. Pre-Vegas R6 games relied heavier on stats and they didn't self-proclaimed themselves RPGs.

Mass Effect and other "modern", so to say, RPGs are good games and will always be good games. But, at least to me, they'll be less of an RPG than R6 is.

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Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Yandere

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

I'm talking about how the genre should be, not the name not action games with some stats.

The player should never have direct control over the character. The player is just someone who's just telling the character what to do and what to say. How well you can aim in a FPS should never matter because it's not you the one aiming. And the success of an action should never be determined by your skill at some mini-game, but by your character's stats.

To me The Sims has more RPG elements than most of today's games (Mass Effect, Fallout 3, etc). It's not that they're bad games, just not really RPGs.

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Surprised no one posted any ArmA 2 pics.

When you see this landing you know things are going to go south fast.

And not really a screenshot but still awe inspiring: the presentation for the russian faction