Saying that the PS3 & 360 had similar game line ups before a couple months ago is super false. The PS3 still hasnt caught up to the 360 launch line up. SpideR_CentS

I see what your saying about similar game linup no doubt the 360 was still ahead mostly due to an entire year head start but the difference was not that great the releases on both in the smae time frame were pretty equal in term of qulaity and if you compare the first years linup of each system again the number of qulity titles is a very difference obviouly right now the 360 has more games and more higher scoring game but it has had an entire year more.

objectively looking at it the systems are on a very similar path and we really won't know until the end of the gen exactly who ended up the best linup essentially I'm saying the 360 fans gloating is very premasturee. Also if you don't think the ps3 has passed the 360 launch linup you are a fanboy who can't be helped.

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[QUOTE="AdolescentDon"]At this point last year the 360 had more top quality games than the PS3 has now. GT-JPWhoopass

I highly disagree the 360 at this point(nov 9) last year had oblivion,Hit man blood money, Splinter cell(also now on ps3), LOTR battle for middle eatrh, graw, kameo, pdz, pg3, dead rising,Geow, cod 2, COD 3(I also left out the sports games because well the ps3 prett much has those as well)

the ps3 at this point has resistance, motorstorm, heavenly sword, ninja gaiden sigma, oblivion, warhawk, dirt, Graw 2, the drakness, ratchet and clank(the only game under 8 I'm including in either list because many people disagree with the review but you can not count it if you wish), rainbow 6 vegas, guitar hero 3, COD 4, COD 3

I'm not saying one is better than the other but they are very comparable quality wise multiplatform or not.

number of 8+ games on PS3: 33

yea its close allright... even closer considering almost everything runs and plays better on 360

um this wasn't aimed at you I was comparing 360 first year linup to ps3 first year linup don't change the argument.

At this point last year the 360 had more top quality games than the PS3 has now. AdolescentDon

I highly disagree the 360 at this point(nov 9) last year had oblivion,Hit man blood money, Splinter cell(also now on ps3), LOTR battle for middle eatrh, graw, kameo, pdz, pg3, dead rising,Geow, cod 2, COD 3(I also left out the sports games because well the ps3 prett much has those as well)

the ps3 at this point has resistance, motorstorm, heavenly sword, ninja gaiden sigma, oblivion, warhawk, dirt, Graw 2, the drakness, ratchet and clank(the only game under 8 I'm including in either list because many people disagree with the review but you can not count it if you wish), rainbow 6 vegas, guitar hero 3, COD 4, COD 3

I'm not saying one is better than the other but they are very comparable quality wise multiplatform or not.

Do you turn a blind eye to all PS3 fanboy posts or something?

Really, all it seems to be is giving back what they gave and they can't seem to take it.

Nemme

if we are tallking about ratio here the ps3 bashing numbers are alot high I agree there are many ps3 posters who have no clue what they are talking about but just becuse they cannot defed their arguments doen not mean there are no legitametly good arguments for the ps3 which the box fans seem to imply all the time.

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I think its because they are obviously the majority around here. yes they have the best console linup right now and thats something to be proud of but lets face it the 360 had a year headstart it will obvioulsy have more games at this point and time if it didn't have a better linup it would be a huge failure as a game system.

To get to my point they are extremely overconfident they flood any ps3 graphics thread and tout Geow war saying "its better and thats a year old, ps3 is inferior" Then when a game actually look better they go "oh well geow is a year old you should have something better by now" its a win/win argument they change depending on their mood(I would like to point out that the ps3 is in it first year and has a harder programming architecture yet they expect it to be better out the gate and beat the best 360 graphical game from the end of its first year when the ps3 hasn't even been out a year seems even they must think the ps3 is poweful and maybe don't want to admit it?). Even though many games do look better than Gears(on their own system included) and Drake is one of them(drake's animation system is light years ahead an although the rest of the comparisons in textures and such are pretty close the animation detail gives Drake a huge edge).

Another point is they tout their sales over the ps3 yet the ps3 is selling at a comparable rate and actually a bit better at comparable times in the respective console's lifecycle, they totally ignore the fact that the wii is stomping both with an even weaker linup than both system(don't get me wrong the wii's first party exclusives are worth the price of admission alone but its overall linup is quite weak compared to the 360 and even the ps3.)

Part of the problem is because there are soo many xbox fans around here any legitamely good argumnet for the wii/ps3 are ignored and fall away and the only points that usually get argued are rediculous wii and ps3 fanboys who are bordeline retarded. So they easily gang up and rip these arguments apart and somehow think that because they torn apart an already weak argument that makes them geniuses. Sorry to say but the 360 dominant position is not that dominant but actually quite fragile all it takes is for the wii to pass the 360 total sales(if it hasn't already) and the ps3 to have a good couple monthes gamewise which it will most likely get in 2008 and it will have pretty muchcaught up(the 360 and ps3 linup were not that different from each quality wise until the last couple months when MS big realeases started coming out up until then the xbox fans were mostly touting total AAA' superior multiplats now its all about AAA exclusives because the ps3 has started getting some AAA just not exclusive ones yet.

Well thats the end of the rant feel free to argue, namecall, agree with, etc..

how many reviews for both are there? oh wait I just checked the site and the 360 version has a 95% ranking based on official xbox and xbox uk magazine reviews while the ps3 has no average so either they have taken reviews down or you are making things up either way when a score is that close on gamerankings you can't really say one is better than the other cause all it takes is an offficial magazine to give an extra good score that can boost it slightly.

Face it the games are pretty much identical cows were wrong to hype the ps3 version with better graphics because the 360 version they were comparing was slight;ly older and not as optimized at the same time lemmings hyping up their their version cause of live are also wrong because the games will be the exact same experience on both although you may prefer the live setup the online gameplay play will be the same. everyone wins for once and people can't seem to process the fact on sw cause most are used to someboy being winners and somebody being losers. this isn't the case this time.

I am sick of seeing this ex-hamonix guy used as ownage did anyone notice he started as a sound engineer and he's has worked for 3 different companies in like 6 years don't you think if he was some expert developer companies would try to keep him around.The fact is he is a low level guy with limited experience. I'm not going to say the ps3 is a flawless machine because its not but top tier console devs like kojima's team, like naughty dog, like insomniac are all getting spectacular results with the machine performance wise it has its flaws but every console has its flaws. Most of the devs complaining are PC devs or devs with limited console development and cannot wrap their heads around the dramatically different achitecture, trying to program the ps3 like a pc you are obviously going to run into huge issues and think the machine has major flaws but as more and more devs figure out the do and do nots of ps3 programming you will see more and more better results.

Is the machine as good as sony hyped it obviously not. This guy may have some vaild points about the system from his standpoint but other devs have said the machine is very powerful and versatile. He has a valid opinion but his opinion is not universal and like I pointed out earlier using this guy as ownage is pretty weak seeing his admitted limited experience with the system one game to be specific where he was low level guy and the game itself doesn't push grpahical boundries on any of the systems its on and is multiplat so they really didn't explore the PS3 hardware like someone who developed an exclusive game and coded for the ps3 specifically. Obviously you are going to be frustrated with the system if you are doing a cross platform game the difference between pc 360, and ps3 is quite a big one from a programming standpoint because of the cell's design.

The ps2 was also hugely critized for its design in the early stages and throughout its life but experienced console developers got some great results with the machine. I expect the same with the ps3 and whether the system comes 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in salesw doersn'ty really matter outside system wars as long as you like the games on and coming out for the system.

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Chalk up another blind Snake fan. Please, tell me why this story is any good and justify spending any money on it.

You can't, because it's garbage. You buy it because you like it, problem being you don't know why you like it. You say the story is SO GOOD, but mostly because you can't understand half the crap that is going on, and if you DO understand the full story of MGS...you laugh and realize what tripe & GARBAGE the game really is.

usmcjdk6

You can't, because your argement is garbage. You hate it because, well, because your blind. You say the story is SO BAD, but mostly because you can't understand half of it. And if you DO understand the full story of MGS... you relize that you were blind, and relize that your argument is GARBAGE.

I'm not blind. I played through MGS1, which was a revolutionary action game...but the story was such bologna even my 14 year old self could understand this was a bunch of overblown B.S. But I finished it.

Then I bought MGS2 for my PS2 in 2003 and said to myself. "Wow, this gameplay is garbage.", and I quit after the first scene. I didn't learn my lesson, and gave Snake Eater another go...which I realized again "Wow, this game is STILL garbage". Basically I wasted $25 on MGS titles.

Oh and if you think I suck at VG's, check my gamertag LCPL KING. I've beaten Lost Planet, GRAW2, RB6V, and Quake 4 all on the hardest difficulties. Quake 4 being the hardest video game I have ever played on hard. Takes 6 dark matter shots to kill one on General...much less 2...

You really dont understand MGS at all, and im sure you made up buying MGS, unless of course you have, proof. Why dont you describe a little of MGS1 for me, refresh my memory.

One more question, if you dont think MGS has a good story, what do you consider a good story, and im bracing myself for Halo, seems like something you may understand, becasue complicated storys dont seem to be your thing.

Good, outlandish stories - Half Life 2, FEAR, Dead Rising, God of War, FF8, The Darkness, Condemned, Resistance

Horrible outlandish stories - MGS, any FF after 8, PDZ.

What about MGS 1? The part where I squeeled while getting tortured. Yeah that was awesome. Or the part when I was getting attacked by stupid wolves? Wtf...

Well you obviously never played much of MGS because well you wouldn't have squeeled the first time through the game, also did you know you can get the wolves to not attack you by getting one of the baby wolves to pee on you while in the cardboard box you then have a wolves' scent on the box and simply can walk through the area in the box its stuff like that why people love the gameplay quirky little attention to detail that are not needed but when you discover them make you realize how much thought goes into the games. If you never got past the first scene in MGS2 or 3 how can you bash the stories you simply can't and are a fanboy who made up their mind about the series long before giving then the proper attention to really judge whether you liked then or not.

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Like I said.

Ultimate ninja spy. How fun. More like retarded. A game can be fun without having to be totally outlandish.

usmcjdk6

first off, what?

second off its a god damned game....if anything so outlandishshould be enjoyed it should be unrealistic games you crack head

I, like most people, am not a scientologist.

I, like most people, do not like totally bewildering story lines about aliens named Xenu and what not.

I, like most people, see a connection between MGS and Scientology.

I, like most people, am not easily duped into buying this crap.

They dont have a big enough smily in existance to describe how funny that was.

unless your being serious :|

Of course I am serious. Do you not see the same rabid fans squeeling about "TEH STORY IS SO GREAT" about MGS as you do Scientology. I'm just sad you phail to see the connection.

Again your argument makes no sense scientologists actually believe the story of xenu(if they pay enough money to get that far in the church). MGS fans just really like the story and see the sort of vague connections kojima is making to real life politics and war nobody thinks the story is realistic but it doesn't mean some of the themes can't have a connection to the real world especially in times where media and government propaganda is at an all time high around the world the themes of nuclear war, government corruption and behind the scenes dealmaking to push towards or avoid war all have relevency to todays politics. If you aren't into all that it has a very comic book/anime sci-fi story that appeals to many people again its not realistic or going to win any awards for storytelling but it is some of the best put together in the game world you don't have to like it but the critical acclaim and sales the series has seen proves that many people disagree with you.