[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]It's quite possible. Been gaming for too long not to expect something like this to happen. It wouldn't be the first time a console maker bowed out of the race.tango90101

but sony NEVER would...right? :roll:

Where did I say that in my post?

you didn't...every other cow did...

sony lost $2 billion in 6 MONTHS... yet cows think MS will be the first to pull out?

rich...:roll:

Ms never made a profit on the original xbox now the 360 is causing them alot of headaches with defect rates and so on,On top of that the wii has passed them in less than a year despite a year head start. Sony lost alot initaially on the ps2 and unlike MS has had alot of success in the industry so yes I can see MS bowing out before sony now if the ps3 continues to struggle and the ps4 doesn't do so hot then yes sony could bow out. I don't think any 360 owners have anything to worry about but the actions of the last couple weeks of letting bungie and go an so forth may mean MS is consiering the future of the game division and whether or not the viability of continuing with a next console.

I would like to point out that with the way the wii is selling the game demographic seems to be changing at least in the short term maybe MS is worried that the way gaming is headed away from the graphics technology towards the less tech more interactive gameplay as a software company that means a bigger focus on the systems hardware and periperals something that MS has not been too keen on in the past and may feel that moving forward and focusing their resources on the PC where they have always been profitable and now is getting more competitive for them so instead of fighting to gain ground in the console market while maybe slipping a little in the PC market they instead want to devote all their resources into securing their position in the PC market in the future. These moves seem to indicate this consideration but ultimately I feel if the 360 is fairly successful as in they are able to make a decent profit by the end of the consoles life they may continue with another console at least.

Maybe it's time Sony Pony up with the Better Development tools.. XD88FDB

well that would be a start I guess but seeing as gabe has done no developing for ps3 I don't see how better tools would help in this case. I'm not saying that sony couldn't do more(with the edge tools they announced at e3 they seem to be trying I guess) but I am sayig that there is no credibility in gabes statement seeing as his experience with the system is very limited if he has any hands on experience at all.

2 times now gabe has said something about the ps3 being trash and how sony should do a do over here is my response I put in another thread but nobody responded anyway....

Carmack said basically the same thing. It sucks and these guys are talented developers but they are PC developers, they are software guys and do not design hardware if they did they would be working for hardware companies. what makes me angry is that becuse their games are good it somehow means they know everything about hardware which is not the case especially for pc devs who are constantly given new hardware to cater to what they want to do unlike console developers who need to get right down and know the in and outs of the hardware to maximize performance which PC guys don't usually do. Pc developers see whats coming up in terms of new hardware and develop their game to cater to the hardware they feel will give the best performance, don't get me wrong they still have to do alot of work to optimize and make sure that some lower end systems can play their game to maximize their sales potential but the true experience of the game is usually on the most powerful hardware they have the advantage of the PC world moving so fast they can update the engine to take advantage of all the bells and whistles of new 3d cards and hardware and such.

Basically what I'm saying is the ps3 is designed to get the best possible graphics for as long as possible meaning the architecture is going to be more complicated because it works differently. It doesn't get updated so the harware engineers have to think ahead to different techniqes and possibilities in programming to squeeze as much performance as possible a PC developer may see it as unessisarly complicated because the are used to a much more familiar and streamlined programming environemnt on the PC. Thats fine but seeing as neither developer (carmack or newell) has really spent much time with the console or even released a game remember valve isn't porting the game ea is so exactly what is gabe basing his comment on, either limited first hand experience, or from second hand heresay both of which don't stand up in my opinion funny how he says something somewhat controversial around the launch of his brand new game just kinda convieniant.

Hideo Kojima and his team seem to think the system certainly is fine and are quite pleased with the results they are getting I honestly think ol gabe here and even carmack may changed their mind even a tiny bit if they spent some time with kojima's team real console devs.

Bottom line PC devs make comment about a console = educated guessing

Carmack said basically the same thing. It sucks and these guys are talented developers but are PC developers they are softweare guys the do not design hardware if the did they would be working forhardware companies. what makes me angry is that becuse their games are good it somehow means they know everything about hardware which is not the case especially for pc devs who are constantly given new hardware to cater to what they want to do unlike console developers who need to get right down and know the in and outs of the hardware to maximize performance which PC guys don't usually do. Pc developers see whats coming up in terms of new hardware and develop their game to cater to the hardware they feel will give the best performance, don't get me wrong they still have to do alot of work to optimize and make sure that some lower end systems can play their game to maximize their sales potential but the true experience of the game is usually on the most powerful hardware they have the advantage of the PC world moving so fast they can update the engine to take advantage oif all the bells and whistles of new 3d cars and harware and such.

Basically what I'm saying is the ps3 is designed to get the best possible graphics for as long as possible meaning the architecture is going to be more complicated because it works differently. It doesn't get updated so the harware engineers have to think ahead to different techniqes and possibilities in programming to squeeze as much performance as possible a PC developer may see it as unessisarly complicated because the are used to a much more familiar and streamlined programming environemnt on the PC. Thats fine but seeing as neither developer (carmack or newell) has really spent much time with the console or even released a game remember valve isn't porting the game ea is so exactly what is gabe basing his comment on either limited first hand experience or from second hand heresay both of which don't stand up in my opinion funny how he says something somewhat controversial around the launch of his brand new game just kinda convieniant.

Hideo Kojima and his team seem to think the system certainly is fine and are quite pleased with the results they are getting I honestly think ol gabe here and even carmack may changed their mind even a tiny bit if they spent some time with kojima's team real console devs.

Bottom line PC dev make comment about a console = educated guessing

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

SUD123456

I will show you a graph. It will look ugly. Sorry, but that's the reality. There are some inescapable facts that separate the PS2 from the PS3....which do not bode well for Sony this time. Like:

1. Sony had a 20 million to none lead on both nintendo and MS last generation wrong the lead was more like 10 million an no console closed the gap the ps3 is closing the gap on the 360 and the wii has already passed it so the extra year launch helped the ps2 but was not the reason it was the top selling system of last gen

2. PS 2 launched at $299

3. 80%+ of PS2 sales were are $199 or less

4. Sony dropped the PS2 to $199 shortly after both nintendo and MS launched.....when they had 25-30 million sales vs a few million for the competitors, and when they had a large and rapidly growing game library vs very little. sony never dropped the price of the ps2 until a year after the xbox and GC launched it wasn't shortly after, it still outsold the cheaper GC an more powerful xbox

In other words...PS2 had excellent market conditions to be adopted by the masses and the mainstream console.

This time...ugghhh....not so much :)

your facts are flawed and so is your argument. this comparison is also rediculously flawed. I'm not going to sit here and argue the ps3 will sell the same as the ps2 cause it won't but basing the consoles outcome on a comparison from 2 different gens and from the first year of a brand new more expensive console to the cheapest console of its gen shows the huge lack of logic in the comparison. I will say the ps3 will sell well over 20 million I estimate at least 40-50 miillion at the end of its lifecycle and it will beat the 360 because of its strong userbase outside of NA which the xbox doesn't have. Depending on how nintendo continues to market the wii and its library over its life it could possibly even beat the wii but that would have to be more from nintendo dropping the ball than anything sony does.

some of you are so short sighted its frightening the ps3 price will not be that high its whole lifespan(yet some of you are acting like it will always be expensive) which sony has stated will be 10 years so when the price comes down it will sell more not to mention no big name exclusive has come out I'm talking a franchise game(no tekken, no GT, no ratchet, no MGS, no FF) there has been some hyped AAA but most were brand new Ips or franchises that were not really big sellers in the past that really do not attract casual buyers which unfortunately is the bread and butter of the industry. I would like to point out that the ps and ps2 both sold much better in their 2nd and 3rd year than in its first(360 is actually selling worse in its second year which is not a really goo sign for them) at the end of 2001 the ps2 had about a 10 million userbase yet 5 years later its over 100 million so that shows you sony's business model is to and always has been to sell over the entire lifespan not just in the first couple years.

The fact that this topic uses gamepro as their argument is quite sad gamepro is like the cnn of game publications big name thats been around awhile but the quality of their product is unprofessional and relies on sensationlism to attract viewers/readers.

[QUOTE="Citan_Uzuki"]

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Actually no all I said that its not the most anticpated of all time and said potentially with Wii sales outpacing 360 and traditional sales of the mario series not to mention the fact the series dates back over 20 years that it could be more anticipated than Halo 3 but I guess all those commercial and magazine cover and articles that MS pays for must mean it more anticipated.

You proved my point about rabid halo fans though me saying its not the most anticpated game of all time is a bash even though I said I like the series. Maybe you should rethink what you are saying or re-read my post you choose.

[QUOTE="Citan_Uzuki"]

Its posts like this that end up making people create halo hate threads we know Halo is a great series its universally appreaciated in the game public and by critics as a top tier FPS but it is not the best especially if you play PC FPS. Its a great game and it will sell phenominally well we know this but its not the most anticipated game of all time anyboy who says that has not been playing games very long I remember just how much anticipation there was for ocarina of time it was the first console zelda game since link to the past so there was 6+ years of anticipation in the game community for that. Halo fans are by far the most annoying because most think they are hardcore gamers when the only thing they are harcore about is halo not to offend people who are seriously hardcore game enthusiasts and like halo there is a difference an I'm sure they will understand what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about these halo fanboys who buy into this hype because MS is throwing $10 million in marketing on a single game. It shows how smart/dumb MS is really though they could have spent half that still had a great marketing campaign and used $5 miillion on game development of other franchises cause we know halo 3 is going to sell with or without marketing investing 10 million more into marketing will increse sales but not really by alot fans of halo will buy it and anyone who hasn't played a halo game yet probably aren't really into FPS so the amount on new fans to bring in I feel is limited to the people already planning on buying a 360 or have one already and haven't played halo which I would say is a small amount of people. (personally though the hype is simply to try to get Halo 3 to have another massive launch like halo 2 and then MS would use these numbers to show how awesome the halo series is and say something about it has the biggest launch sales ever so it must be the most popular game series is simply marketing hype and anyone who has been paying attention to the industry knows this but it then becoms a fanboy pissing contest)

IMO it would make more sense to say super mario galaxy is more anticipated with the number of wiis out there and the past sales of the mario series not to mention its more international appeal. I would like to say finally this is not a bash on halo series I enjoy it I just want to say that people who make these type of comments are speaking an opinion based on their own opinion and marketing hype by no means is it fact.

Dreams-Visions

I'm not sure if you noticed...but he never said it was the BEST FPS series...only the most ANTICIPATED. It *is* the most anticipated, as suggested by it's record-breaking pre-order stats. It went over a million way back in early July as I recall. That is what we call *anticipation*.

Anticipation != best, and that's something you're going to have to deal with without ranting and raving.

Him saying "most anticipated" is probably a fact. Whether it's "the best" or not is neither something he said, nor is it something that can be proven as fact.

To each his own. As an avid UT player, I prefer UT...but I wouldn't say Halo is not one of the 3 best FPS series out there either. Don't let fanboys make you become an anti-Halo fanboy just because you don't agree with some of them. Makes you just as bad as they are.

THAT is a fact.

you totally missed the point of my post I did say halo wasn't the best FPS but that was only a small portion of my post I went on to say that the marketing has madre it seem like the most anticipated but actual anticipation is a different thing then you brought up pre-orers so if you were to go by pre-orderes it still wouldn't be the most anticipated of all time becauise vice city had over 4 million pre-orders. I later said that Halo and Halo 2 were not even the highest selling games of last gen so what makes you think the game community as a whole is anticipating Halo 3 more than any other game in history that is what the TC said and what I am arguing. I brought up SMG and someboy else brought up starcraft 2 valid game that the community are probably anticpating more because of the number of PC and wiis out there not to mention past sales of both series.

Again you are acting like I said it wasn't anticipated it definately is very anticipated one of the biggest games of the year but the TC said of all time and thats where I have to step in an bring him back to reality because there is nothing to indicate the actual anticipation level except for mass media marketing which can be misleading because if you believe all marketing that would mean lair is actually good and we all know better than that.