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[QUOTE="djsifer01"]2 exclusives and a remastered 10 year old game is not what i call a good year. johnnyblazed88
eh its not like ps3 exclusives were all that great tho
forza 4 will be another 9.5 along with reach i forgot to mention
360 with three 9.5 exclusives this yr? that would be impressive
Killzone 3 was really great. LBP got 92 on MC. And 360 can't get three 9.5 cause there isn't even three exclusives to begin with.[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]It halted for 10 months. And then he offered a permanent deal including natural growth, which means no influx of settlers whatsoever. Netanyahu has no problem negotiate, he has said so many times. How about Abbas trying first before making these accusations. Even if he said that it's just a game to come in strong to the negotiations. Don't say Abbas doesn't do it as well. Only for him he also has preconditions.[QUOTE="mayceV"] Ok, the past is past Isreal is here to stay. Problem is they're refusal to recognize the palestinian rights. Don't tell me abas had a chance because settlement expansion was halted. That is BS it was never halted. It was all over the news here. Then Natenyahu responded to Obama saying that He wouldn't negotiate on 1967 borders and refused to make any kind of land swaps. So what is there really left to do? If one side refuses everything what would you do? forget hamas they're a radical terrorist group they have little say in actual politics and negotitiations. The peace process has ONE obstical- Natenyahu. He even refused to allow for palestine to become an observer State rather than full member - which was an offer proposed by the french. Then you have the recent green light to build over 5000 new homes in the west bank on disputed land around East Jeruslem. These are steps for a prolonged occupation not a return to negotiations. Its so blantly obvious it's mind blowing.Redinko
What would I do? If I was Abbas I wouldn't be interested in peace in the first place but if I were I would actually try to talk with them before I make baseless assumptions. Ehm of course he refused it. That's like going around anything called peace talks. This is my whole point Abbas does anything to not get into any talks.
Really? Why not build? Cause there's apparantly no chance in the near future Israel will have to give up that land. Why? Cause again Abbas isn't interested. Why isn't he interested? Because he knows that by stalling peace talks he eventually will have a chance for all of Israel in the future! Also if Abbas wanted to end settlements what is the best. 1) settlements continue fully and no peace talks 2) only natural growth and peace talks that may lead to (if he wants) to full ceasation??
How on earth would Abbas have a chance at all of Israel in the future? Aren't you all saying and I am not hearing how Israel gets more and more isolated and gets more enemies for every day? There's a slight chance a peace deal could put an end to this.Yeah I know, that's not the point (and the fertility rate for Israeli arabs are much lower so it wouldn't be close to 9 mil). You said that Jews took it at the expense of people living on it which is so far from the truth. There was a influx of Jews and Arabs to the are during these times, Jews came purchased and settled on the land and eventually expressed desire to establish a state. But after the partition the arab states and palestinian terror groups started a war resulting in alot of palestinians fleeing. So Jews didn't just walk in and "take the land". They established a state where there where no state and they bought the land. Now that's how Israel was established. You're talking about a completely different subject, what happened as a result to the war. What you're forgetting is that Jews were expelled from WB, E.Jerusalem and Gaza which would make the opposite true for the palestinians. And the million Jews expelled from the arab states.[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]
[QUOTE="mayceV"] so you're going to fall back on- there are 1.5 million arabs right? Ok so look at the numbers- in 1947 there were 1.2 million arabs in palestine. If the number was unchanged then the population in Isreal would be at over 9 million palestinians( fertility rate of a palestian arab is about 4.6 . Not 1.2 million meaning that of the 1.2 million that were there over 900,000 were displaced by the war or had thier village destroyed in multiple operations carried out by terror gangs such as the igurn. You're acting like the land was abandonded prior to 1914.
mayceV
Oh and the number of arabs in the Jewish part was much smaller. well bellow 1 million.
Ok, the past is past Isreal is here to stay. Problem is they're refusal to recognize the palestinian rights. Don't tell me abas had a chance because settlement expansion was halted. That is BS it was never halted. It was all over the news here. Then Natenyahu responded to Obama saying that He wouldn't negotiate on 1967 borders and refused to make any kind of land swaps. So what is there really left to do? If one side refuses everything what would you do? forget hamas they're a radical terrorist group they have little say in actual politics and negotitiations. The peace process has ONE obstical- Natenyahu. He even refused to allow for palestine to become an observer State rather than full member - which was an offer proposed by the french. Then you have the recent green light to build over 5000 new homes in the west bank on disputed land around East Jeruslem. These are steps for a prolonged occupation not a return to negotiations. Its so blantly obvious it's mind blowing.EDIT: PM me if you want to continue- I'm gonna hit the hay- its 3:30AM over here.
yeah it's late here too, I'll do the same. Well if you want to. Good night in any case![QUOTE="Cow4ever"]Yeah I know, that's not the point (and the fertility rate for Israeli arabs are much lower so it wouldn't be close to 9 mil). You said that Jews took it at the expense of people living on it which is so far from the truth. There was a influx of Jews and Arabs to the are during these times, Jews came purchased and settled on the land and eventually expressed desire to establish a state. But after the partition the arab states and palestinian terror groups started a war resulting in alot of palestinians fleeing. So Jews didn't just walk in and "take the land". They established a state where there where no state and they bought the land. Now that's how Israel was established. You're talking about a completely different subject, what happened as a result to the war. What you're forgetting is that Jews were expelled from WB, E.Jerusalem and Gaza which would make the opposite true for the palestinians. And the million Jews expelled from the arab states.[QUOTE="mayceV"] so you're going to fall back on- there are 1.5 million arabs right? Ok so look at the numbers- in 1947 there were 1.2 million arabs in palestine. If the number was unchanged then the population in Isreal would be at over 9 million palestinians( fertility rate of a palestian arab is about 4.6 . Not 1.2 million meaning that of the 1.2 million that were there over 900,000 were displaced by the war or had thier village destroyed in multiple operations carried out by terror gangs such as the igurn. You're acting like the land was abandonded prior to 1914.
mayceV
Oh and the number of arabs in the Jewish part was much smaller. well bellow 1 million.
Ok, the past is past Isreal is here to stay. Problem is they're refusal to recognize the palestinian rights. Don't tell me abas had a chance because settlement expansion was halted. That is BS it was never halted. It was all over the news here. Then Natenyahu responded to Obama saying that He wouldn't negotiate on 1967 borders and refused to make any kind of land swaps. So what is there really left to do? If one side refuses everything what would you do? forget hamas they're a radical terrorist group they have little say in actual politics and negotitiations. The peace process has ONE obstical- Natenyahu. He even refused to allow for palestine to become an observer State rather than full member - which was an offer proposed by the french. Then you have the recent green light to build over 5000 new homes in the west bank on disputed land around East Jeruslem. These are steps for a prolonged occupation not a return to negotiations. Its so blantly obvious it's mind blowing. It halted for 10 months. And then he offered a permanent deal including natural growth, which means no influx of settlers whatsoever. Netanyahu has no problem negotiate, he has said so many times. How about Abbas trying first before making these accusations. Even if he said that it's just a game to come in strong to the negotiations. Don't say Abbas doesn't do it as well. Only for him he also has preconditions.What would I do? If I was Abbas I wouldn't be interested in peace in the first place but if I were I would actually try to talk with them before I make baseless assumptions. Ehm of course he refused it. That's like going around anything called peace talks. This is my whole point Abbas does anything to not get into any talks.
Really? Why not build? Cause there's apparantly no chance in the near future Israel will have to give up that land. Why? Cause again Abbas isn't interested. Why isn't he interested? Because he knows that by stalling peace talks he eventually will have a chance for all of Israel in the future! Also if Abbas wanted to end settlements what is the best. 1) settlements continue fully and no peace talks 2) only natural growth and peace talks that may lead to (if he wants) to full ceasation??
nope. 1.5 million arabs still live on that land. The Jews didn't take any land whatsoever. In that case no palestinian state could ever be formed since it would be at the expense of other people living there. Actually it already happened, so you're going to fall back on- there are 1.5 million arabs right? Ok so look at the numbers- in 1947 there were 1.2 million arabs in palestine. If the number was unchanged then the population in Isreal would be at over 9 million palestinians( fertility rate of a palestian arab is about 4.6 . Not 1.2 million meaning that of the 1.2 million that were there over 900,000 were displaced by the war or had thier village destroyed in multiple operations carried out by terror gangs such as the igurn. You're acting like the land was abandonded prior to 1914. Yeah I know, that's not the point (and the fertility rate for Israeli arabs are much lower so it wouldn't be close to 9 mil). You said that Jews took it at the expense of people living on it which is so far from the truth. There was a influx of Jews and Arabs to the are during these times, Jews came purchased and settled on the land and eventually expressed desire to establish a state. But after the partition the arab states and palestinian terror groups started a war resulting in alot of palestinians fleeing. So Jews didn't just walk in and "take the land". They established a state where there where no state and they bought the land. Now that's how Israel was established. You're talking about a completely different subject, what happened as a result to the war. What you're forgetting is that Jews were expelled from WB, E.Jerusalem and Gaza which would make the opposite true for the palestinians. And the million Jews expelled from the arab states.[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="mayceV"] Ok so you're talling me you have right to a land because you want it. and you take it at the expense of the people living on it? really? mayceV
Oh and the number of arabs in the Jewish part was much smaller. well bellow 1 million.
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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]That's what I said Shechem=Nablus. The Samaritans consider themselves people of Israel. Well so what you're saying really is that there is no Palestinian people really. Since Gazans are philistines and in the north of Israel it's more greek perhaps and arabs in ramallah etc.[QUOTE="mayceV"] So expaliin to me why Samaritan communities are still in Nablus? also Canaanites wouldn't have been abosrbed under the idea that Jews didn't intermarry. Just aheads up. Philistines came from crete and establish Gaza and 4 other cities. People from those areas commonly decsend from those people. My cousin orginated from them and morroco on his dad's side and on his moms side. As for Me My famil has been in palestine since the Islamic conquest in 700 AD and Mixed with the Romans there mixed with the ottomans, More than likely with Jews aswell seeing that I look very Jewish ( as well as a hand ful of my cousins) Not 100 years over 1200 years for many families. Also its not a hint of other stuff thrown onto a huge slab of Arab blood. the Arab strand makes up only 39% of the blood. thats means that they are considered arab but that doesn't mean that they are nothing more than arabs that came there recently.mayceV
So how do you know you're exactly 39% arab? And 39% sill sound like the biggest part. And as for me I am blonde with blue eyes but I am only 50% Jewish and alot of people (unaware of my Jewishness) say I look like a blonde arab, for what it matters. But really what's your point with all this? You want to take over Rome? Do it really matters where you came from 2000 years ago? Jews wanted a land now they moved back to Israel. Even if they didn't came from there originally (which they did) they still had right to a land.
Ok so you're talling me you have right to a land because you want it. and you take it at the expense of the people living on it? really? nope. 1.5 million arabs still live on that land. The Jews didn't take any land whatsoever. In that case no palestinian state could ever be formed since it would be at the expense of other people living there. Actually it already happened,[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]
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highly doubtful. What is your take on the refugee problem? and how will you make it fair for both sides? How would you tackle, Jeruslem? both sides have rights to it under international law. How will you make that fair to both sides? Also what are the borders to be based on? What will you do about the settlements? People say that its easy however If you want it the Easy way then Isreal is extremly sad in the end angered and probably shattered economically ( that''s going fully by the Internaional court). Its not something that can be fixed easily so don't jump to conclusions. There are millions of people on each side, human beings that both deserve rights. Anyone denying either side any rights is racist.mayceV
Oh ok I don't have a solution to the refugee solution. Well actually there is only one solution, a very limited number can come to Israel. Israel can compensate the rest but the arab states should compensate the Jewish refugees as well. Point is Israel would NEVER accept a big number of refugees. It doesn't matter if you think it's fair or not. They'll never do it because that can destroy Israel just as much as war.
Ok Jerusalem:
1) split temple mount 50/50: Dome of the rock (holiest place in Judaism) to Israel, Al-aksa mosque (3rd holiest place in Islam) to Palestine
2) split rest of the old city 50/50: Jewish quarter to Israel and muslim to Palestine. Split the rest to make it 50/50
3) split rest of holy basin 50/50
4) split rest of E.Jerusalem 50/50: Jewish neighborhoods to Israel and Arab neighborhoods to Palestine.
It's fair and a compromise from both really.
About the settlements Israel should be able to keep the big ones that doesn't severely hamper Palestinian freedom of movement or in any other way infringe on the state's sustainability. I don't know the exact details of every settlement but it shouldn't be too hard to implement. For example a settlement close to the green line should be able to be in Israel but not one in the middle of the WB. To put it with a very simple criteria.
The problem is the Jordan Valley really. And although unrelated to this Israel shouldn't give up on inch of the Golan.
So you're going to ignore that all of East Jeruslem under international law belogns to palestine? and start splitting stuff based on extremely vague concepts? Also You do realize that if isreal kept all the big settlements Palestine loses 11% of all its land? Problem lies in that natenyahu refuses to swap an inch of land to palestinians. SO I'm sorry but your plans wouldn't last a second. International law doesn't say anything close to that. That is simply laughable. Extremely vague concepts? It doesn't get less vague than this. No not 11% more like 5%. And it isn't palestinian land. It's Israeli land that Israel has to give away, but they doesn't have give it all away. About Netanyahu where did you get that from?[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]The canaanites where absorbed into the Jewish people. The philistines are extinct and was mostly in the Gaza Ashdod area. Samaritans also where absorbed into the Jews really. You still have them in Shechem and Holon and they consider themselves people of Israel. And I don't think Berbers was in Israel. And palestinians look like that because there was big immigration to Israel 100 years ago. Arabs and Sudanese, the Maccabi Haifa player actually is a palestinian that came from Sudan 100 years ago. Also I now of "palestinians" who are actually romanian muslims. So it's a myth that Palestinians mostly are the "originals". Palestinians are arab with a bit of influx from others. I don't see why this matters though. I don't want them to go to Yemen, I am happy of the diversity in Israel, 2 million arabs, druze, circassian and beduin. So expaliin to me why Samaritan communities are still in Nablus? also Canaanites wouldn't have been abosrbed under the idea that Jews didn't intermarry. Just aheads up. Philistines came from crete and establish Gaza and 4 other cities. People from those areas commonly decsend from those people. My cousin orginated from them and morroco on his dad's side and on his moms side. As for Me My famil has been in palestine since the Islamic conquest in 700 AD and Mixed with the Romans there mixed with the ottomans, More than likely with Jews aswell seeing that I look very Jewish ( as well as a hand ful of my cousins) Not 100 years over 1200 years for many families. Also its not a hint of other stuff thrown onto a huge slab of Arab blood. the Arab strand makes up only 39% of the blood. thats means that they are considered arab but that doesn't mean that they are nothing more than arabs that came there recently. That's what I said Shechem=Nablus. The Samaritans consider themselves people of Israel. Well so what you're saying really is that there is no Palestinian people really. Since Gazans are philistines and in the north of Israel it's more greek perhaps and arabs in ramallah etc.[QUOTE="mayceV"] ....what? do you even know the history of the land? People were there before the Jews. the original people of "palestine" were canaanites. Egyptians came to the land so thats why you see similar features between the two, the Kush came to the land, Samatarians, Phlistines, Romans, Jews, Arabs, berbers,ottomans that's why palestians look so diffrent. They all have some similarities ( usually) but there is so much mixed blood is staggering. Also Lebanon was a huge trading center phnecins mixed too. However lebanese people are almost always very light skinned. Yemenis are very brown. Saudis all look exremly similar, Qataris and Kuwaits have slightly diffrent features than Saudis, Iraqis are very distinct, iranians too ( they are'nt actually arab at al though) Egyptians have they're own charatersitics too. Diffrence between Jews and arabs is that when the Jews left arabs stayed. and as they stayed they mixed with everything. Where as Jews usually stayed Isolated. Arabs have no homeland unless you want all arabs to go to Yemen. However what they mixed with in diffrent regions of the middle east made distinct peoples. All these disitct people have things in common but they still are distinctive. Also you're going to say you're lebonese teachter has blue eyes as proof? my cousin has blue eyes, a lot of my seocnd cousin have blue eyes as well. it kinda doesn't mean anything other than at one point my family mixed with someone with blue eyes.mayceV
So how do you know you're exactly 39% arab? And 39% sill sound like the biggest part. And as for me I am blonde with blue eyes but I am only 50% Jewish and alot of people (unaware of my Jewishness) say I look like a blonde arab, for what it matters. But really what's your point with all this? You want to take over Rome? Do it really matters where you came from 2000 years ago? Jews wanted a land now they moved back to Israel. Even if they didn't came from there originally (which they did) they still had right to a land.
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