[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]Where is your sig from? What is that?

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Israel needs Hamas to fire those rockets in order to justify it's military occupation and economic strangulation of Palestine.

Hamas' original purpose may have been to weaken Yasser Arafat and the PLO, but it remains a useful tool for constructing pretexts for aggression against the Palestinians.

Hamas a Creation of Mossad: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

sSubZerOo

Yep uh huh because we should begin thinking about international law violations when the otherside has continually conducted war crimes, human rights violations and the breaking of international laws in general through the decades.. The only solution to this is the US pulling all support from Israel inless certain goals are made.. The time of unquestioningly supporting a side in the conflict needs to end.. This has pretty much given Israel to do as they please in the region more or less outside of the extremes.. Until that happens, Israel which holds all the chips, all the control will continue doing their hardline policy and continue trying to annex the West Bank.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Fixed that for ya :|Planet_Pluto

LBP2 92 on MC > Gears 3 91 on MC. Killzone 3>Gears 3 in quality

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

"Israel" shouldn't exist in the first place.

MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

outside of Israel its not race its politics, if someone fires rockets or attacks me, they are my enemy , Arab or otherwise

Stesilaus

Israel needs Hamas to fire those rockets in order to justify it's military occupation and economic strangulation of Palestine.

Hamas' original purpose may have been to weaken Yasser Arafat and the PLO, but it remains a useful tool for constructing pretexts for aggression against the Palestinians.

Hamas a Creation of Mossad: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]PLO are already recognized as such. And Hamas isn't the legitimate party in power. They have abolished elections and killed political adveseries. Is these people you want to represent the Palestinian people? EntropyWins

Kind of like what many other leaders of countries which are members in the UN have done? I am not saying that anyone should unconditionally be allowed into the UN, but if Hamas was voted into power, then they should be allowed to represent the palestinians in the UN. The fact is that palestiians need representation at the UN. Getting a holier than though attitude all of a sudden regarding criminal activity in the international community to bar them from such is hypocritical at best.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"] Nothing is impossible about this. The key settlements are Ariel, Maale Adumim and Gush Etzion. None of these would hurt the sustainability of a Palestinian state at all if Israel were to keep them. Trust me Israel wouldn't let that happen without a fight, which means not so nice consequence for the middle east. And let's hope not. For the first time in millennia the Jewish people are in control of their on faith and not subject to their "masters". And I hope you are not comparing Israel to South Africa. You don't wanna go down that road.

Darkman2007

Why don't I want to go down that road? :?

If the comparison is flawed, it's only in that Israel has inflicted far greater violence on the Palestinians than South Africa's apartheid government ever inflicted on the Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos, etc.

http://pulsemedia.org/2009/02/27/worse-than-apartheid-the-movement-to-boycott-israel/

And if you really want to talk about Apartheid talk about women in much of the muslim world. Or why not Muslims in Europe where they ban minarets, muslim call of prayer and Niqabs.

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]

There are zero good reasons in my opinion that palestinians should not have a voice in the UN as a full member.

A terrorist organization being the party in power is a great reason not to allow them in the UN. If we make them a full member of the UN we legitimize Hamas.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

To me it seems that the presence of the West Bank settlements makes a "two state solution" nigh on impossible.

Just how does one go about drawing a border to delineate this mess into two states? (The magenta regions represent the settlements.)

In the long term, the most likely outcome is a "one state solution" and, given the demographics of the region, that means an end to the Jewish character of the state.

In a nutshell, Jewish Israelis will eventually find themselves in a position similar to that of South Africa's Afrikaners.

Why don't I want to go down that road? :?

If the comparison is flawed, it's only in that Israel has inflicted far greater violence on the Palestinians than South Africa's apartheid government ever inflicted on the Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos, etc.

http://pulsemedia.org/2009/02/27/worse-than-apartheid-the-movement-to-boycott-israel/