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#1 Cow4ever

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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Lets stay in recent times. Because what happened in the 40s still affects whats going on there now. Would there even be conflict if Jewish people were not given a huge part of Palestine?gaming25

Jordan was given 80% of the original Palestine. Of the remaining Palestine Jews were given 55% which was a bigger part yes but mostly dessert. This plan mostly favored the Palestinians since they where given the more valuable part really. Would there even be a conflict if the Palestinians had accepted the partition plan? No way. And in addition they would have had a much bigger territory than they can hope for now.

Sure, but that is not what happened, and instead the Palestinians who were still part of what would become Israel were still living there, so what I said still apllies.

I really don't understand your point. 1.5 million Arabs live in Israel.

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#2 Cow4ever

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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Well then the case becomes that if they were living there, then should the British given that land to Jewish people. gaming25

The British handed the case to the UN. The UN created a partition plan for the area that would split it into one Jewish state (where most Jews lived) and one Arab state (where most Arabs lived). The Arabs refused while the Jews accepted. They established a state on the territory that was assigned to them. And within 24 hours they where attacked by 7 Arab nations and Palestinian terrorist groups.

There were over 700,000 Palestinians living in current Israel before leaving (and not being able to go back), that is a lot of people to conflict with, so you cant just give away a nation imo when there are so many people from a different culture there. You cant have a place that has two huge cultures, one that has been living there for hundreds of years, and another, who just moved there 20 years before, and just give it to the people who had just arrived especially when so many people who already live there.

They didn't. The area with most Arabs was to become the Palestinian and the are with most Jews to become Israel. So they didn't just give it to the people who had just arrived, they gave an equal part to the Palestinians as well. No part had two huge cultures. Also Jews had been living there for millenia. Jerusalem was majority Jewish for 100 years and still it ended up in the Corpus Separatum part. And the 700,000 palestinians happened as a result of Palestinian and Arab hostility not the other way around.

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#3 Cow4ever

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[QUOTE="gaming25"]@Cow4ever, could you at least agree that in 1947, the British should not have given Jewish people Palestinian territory without full support from Palestinians since it was their land before the British conquest (if im not mistaken)?gaming25

That land has passed between people for a long time....and depending on how far back one wants to go....it belongs to x group. The fact of the matter is Israel exists. Time for society in general to move past 1947.

The fact is there is conflict going on that needs to be resolved.

There's a simple and fair way to achieve it.

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#4 Cow4ever

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="gaming25"]@Cow4ever, could you at least agree that in 1947, the British should not have given Jewish people Palestinian territory without full support from Palestinians since it was their land before the British conquest (if im not mistaken)?gaming25

nonsense, if youre talking about ownership, the land belonged to the Ottoman Turks . the land was owned by alot of different kingdoms and empires, some of which were the Jewish kingdoms. now you could go as to who lived there, but then I could say the Jews were living there for longer, there were almost always Jews in Israel/Palestine, since about 1200 BC. the name Palestine actually is a Roman term, the original name for the province was Judea, but when the last great revolt by the Jews ended, the Romans renamed Judea into Syria Palestina , due to the Philistines from the bible ( which was already translated to Greek and Latin by then) as a way to throw dirt into the Jew's faces.

Lets stay in recent times. Because what happened in the 40s still affects whats going on there now. Would there even be conflict if Jewish people were not given a huge part of Palestine?

Jordan was given 80% of the original Palestine. Of the remaining Palestine Jews were given 55% which was a bigger part yes but mostly dessert. This plan mostly favored the Palestinians since they where given the more valuable part really. Would there even be a conflict if the Palestinians had accepted the partition plan? No way. And in addition they would have had a much bigger territory than they can hope for now.

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#5 Cow4ever

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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="gaming25"]@Cow4ever, could you at least agree that in 1947, the British should not have given Jewish people Palestinian territory without full support from Palestinians since it was their land before the British conquest (if im not mistaken)?gaming25

Nope it was ottoman. And it was transferred to the British in a peace treaty. That territory was in no way Palestinian except in the way that they where living there.. just like the Jews.

Well then the case becomes that if they were living there, then should the British given that land to Jewish people.

The British handed the case to the UN. The UN created a partition plan for the area that would split it into one Jewish state (where most Jews lived) and one Arab state (where most Arabs lived). The Arabs refused while the Jews accepted. They established a state on the territory that was assigned to them. And within 24 hours they where attacked by 7 Arab nations and Palestinian terrorist groups.

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