[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Depends on what he means by "done right". Places like Norway and Sweden seem very well off and their about as socialist as we've seen. If by Capitalism done right you mean laissez faire then I really don't know what to say.theone86
Ehm I live in Sweden and I can guarantee you that it's much much closer to Capitalism than Socialism. Very far from "about as socialist as we've seen", does soviet, cuba or china mean anything to you?Well, most people seem to be referring to socialism more as social democracy in this thread, so Sweeden definitely fits. Secondly, when we're speaking about the failures of the USSR, I find that "socialism made it fail" is a rather trite and inspecific explanation of the problems of the USSR. One of the largest contributing factors to their failure was overspending, and the biggest contributor to their overspending was an inflated military budget, both reminiscient of the modern day US. If there were a power with a strong industry that decided to engage in abattle of escalation militaryspending with the U.S., then the U.S. might very well be facing the same scenario as the USSR was back then. Furthermore, when you start to talk about the corruption that was also a part of their downfall, that was intrinsic to Vanguardism/Stalinism, not communism. I'd grant that Vanguardism and Stalinism are instrinsically flawed, but that doesn't mean that communism is instrinsically flawed. Finally, when discussing Cuba, how are we going to define failure?
Actually Sweden isn't ruled by social democrats for a long time but regardless social democracy and capitalism aren't opposites at all. So then this thread doesn't make sense at all. The fact is the market here is run by supply and demand so it's a capitalistic market despite high taxes. Communism is flawed because planned economies just doesn't work and you know that. That's why people had to stand in long lines to get some bread. Now that doesn't mean you can't have high taxes and a social security system.
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