I can't believe I'm going to mention this but how do you forget this

No harddrive onxbox 360 core, which has prevented any development on multiplat games. That is why the xbox 360 will never have a game as good looking as uncharted.

numba1234

Uncharted, as far as I can tell, doesn't seem to cache anything to the hard drive on the PS3. It may just be hidden, but I can't find where anything about the game has been installed on my HDD other than save games. And caching doesn't do anything other than decrease load times, no matter what people might tell you. There is nothing special about it, and it's really a crutch since the BD-ROM in the PS3 is significantly slower than the 8x DVD-ROM in the 360. If you don't mind waiting through installs, then the PS3 will have better throughput when playing, but I don't think the edge would be enough to say that lacking the hard disk on a 360 core is a major hinderance.

Remember the PS2 being said to be hard to code for when it first came out, to a point where it lost a couple of exclusives altogether. But then everyone caught on to how everything worked and all the little bells and whistles that it offered and it absolutely annihilated everything else on the market. Now pricing may become a concern for the PS3 since Blu-Ray is still in it's first generation and probably won't drop way down for at least 2 years, but they programming is going to catch on and PS3 exclusive engines are going to start showing up and really showing what it can do.

I think the 360 has already almost peaked, almost. I'm sure it's got a couple of tricks up it's sleave that that masterpiece of a GPU can pull out, but based on pure numbers, the PS3 has a lot of pure processing muscle that can be used to make up for the shortcomings of it's GPU. All-in-all, both systems have a lot of muscle where it counts, but I think the PS3 has yet to really flex it's muscles. It all remains to be seen of course, but so long as there are so many multi-platforms floating around that are trying to be identical no matter what, both systems are going to suffer.

[QUOTE="SpigleyMcCheese"]So you're just choosing to discount any games on the 360 that don't interest you, and list any and all PS3 games you can think of? Would you say you're a little biased?armymen4

you dont get it, i was using lem logic. lems discount any games on the ps3 that dont interest them, and to lems AAAE games are the only games that matter, and any game AA or lower is condemed to life as a drink coaster. im using lemmings logic against them

Hmmm... reading your posts makes me chuckle. No basis for anything you've said and you keep going. Keep tossing out AAA blockbusters that havn't been released while 360 players play their AAA titles. I like the PS3 and I'm sure it's going to have it's day in the sun, but you can't claim that the PS3 has the better exclusives coming when there are little to no details about the majority of them other than unfounded hype. KZ2 and Resistance 2 don't look to be anything other than more mindless shooters and if they can't throw in an epic multiplayer package like Halo 3 then they've already lost. As far as I can tell, the only game that might make some waves this year is MGS4 and then I'm not positive that they can change up the gameplay enough to make it anything special at this point.

Have been enjoying my PS3, has some good games, but atm my 360 has the great games that I'm probably going to remember as being something really special when they came along, Gears of War and Mass Effect come to mind first, and it doesn't look like the trend is going to change too much in the next year. Sony promised some amazing things with the PS3 and so far I've seen none of it, the 360 however is marketed as a gamers platform and that's what it has been for me the entire time, not a DVD player, or media extender or anything else, it plays games and it's awesome at it.

And as far as Mass Effect 2 and Gears of War 3 being multi-platforms, we'll see. As far as I can remember Microsoft Game Studios owns the rights to Gears and Mass Effect wouldn't make much of a splash on the PS3 without the original who's rights are owned by MS as well. And as far as Gears 2 and Ninja Gaiden 2 being the only blockbusters I'd go ahead and add Fable 2 to that as well, probably the only other franchise besides Halo that is instantly recognizable to just about any Xbox fan, and even if they just rehashed the original and made it look prettier it would probably sell like crazy. And I'd throw Age of Conan as well, since the PS3 doesn't have any MMOs coming down the pipe that I'm aware of. And there are too many great multi-platforms anymore to make exclusives really shine unless they are absolutely epic, and that's getting harder and harder to do at this point with most of the great ideas already having been used.

I would try going into Game/Game Data Utility and checking what games are putting the biggest caches on your hard drive (Triangle, Information). Not sure, but I think UT3 caches a huge chunk so that it doesn't have to constantly load new maps of the slow BD-ROM. If you find you're not playing some of the games quite as much anymore you can probably delete the cache for now, it will just have to copy everything over again when you go to play it again.

Recently bought mine and I love it, but I went in knowing what games were worth playing (have been disappointed in Resistance thus far, kinda run-of-the-mill). Uncharted is the one I had the most fun with, extremely frustrating at points, but a great ride. A little on the short side and no MP, but an excellent showcase for graphics on the platform and probably one of the best sounding games I've played as well. Heavenly Sword was fun, but really short, had a good story as well and would say it would be worth at least a rent. R&C is right up there with Uncharted in my eyes, havn't completed it yet, but having a good time none-the-less.

Not sure why you would buy a system (especially the one that is hands down the most expensive on the market) without having a clue as to what you're going to do with it. Perhaps you should research before dropping a load of money on something you're going to regret. Have a 360 as well and it has the games atm, but I'm liking the overall build of the PS3 more so far, doesn't feel cheap like my 360 and the failure rate is supposedly considerably lower (my 360 has given me no problems but too many reports of dying consoles to say that there isn't a problem).

The prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just bought a pc for £470 and guess what... It's rubbish at playing pc games. I thought that since everyone beleived pc gaming to be superior that that would be true in the price. WRONG.

How can you say pc gaming is better when you have to pay astounding amounts of money in order to obtain a reasonable gaming PC.

A console £300. A gaming pc £700+

I have a friend whose dad make pcs. He has to pay £650 to make a brilliant gaming pc made from scratch. Does anyone beleive that this is too much, especially compared to consoles?

What do you think. Is pc gaming just too darn expensive, effectively reppeling gamers and attracting them towards consoles?

Neobrio

PC gaming has always been more expensive than consoles. The only reason console gaming is cheaper to begin with is that the manufacturers lose money on their consoles and make it back on software sales. Think they have to get an average of 6 games attached at new pricings to break even on their losses for the first generation of consoles they release and then they hack prices steadily to keep saturating the market with consoles so they can sell more games and thus make more money from software.

PC hardware manufacturers on the other hand make money from selling hardware and pretty much nothing else, so the consumer incurs the total cost instead of the manufacturer taking part of it. If the water's too cold for you stay out, PC gaming has been "dead" for a long time, but I'm still reaping all it's benefits from it. Have been playing fantastic games at high resolutions for years now while console gamers are just recently getting into an era of high-resolution gaming, have enjoyed some of the most unforgettable online experiences that have still yet to reach consoles and have spent the money and never regretted doing so.

PC gaming is not for everyone, and everyone should know this by now. You get what you pay for, PC gaming is bleeding edge stuff a lot of the time, and the bleeding edge is never cheap, but it sure has it's benefits.