halo bad frame rates! lol thats a thing bungie made would never happen! lier, nice fakeboyness. only game with slowdowns is ME and those are noticable only after a save or turning in an elevator.LibertySaint

Amazing how fast the fanboys pounce. Halo 3 didn't stutter or slow down or have a lot of frame-rate drops, but it consistently stayed around 30 FPS, so I counted that as a problem. As far as ME, it ran badly all the time except for in cutscenes, can't count how many times I died in the Mako because of bad frame rates. Perhaps if you actually played something besides a 360 you'd know that my complaints have a foundation.

To the others who actually read my post and returned information that I can use, thank you. Guess I'll stick to the 360 for multi-plats for now.

Ok, first off, I own a PS3, Xbox 360 and a higher-end gaming PC, so I'm not here tying to bash anything, just want to try and get some answers (if you're going to play fanboy, please use another discussion). I'm dropping this post in System Wars as it is the only forum that it probably won't be moderated in.

Just to cover some ground as to what my problem is, I've owned an Xbox 360 for nearly 2 years now and it's been great, and I've had an enjoyable time with just about all the games I've played on it. Recently with the death of HD-DVD and the Playstation 3 lineup finally starting to look good in 2008 I purchased a PS3. I have noticed that the exclusives I have for my Xbox 360, Halo 3, Mass Effect and Saints Row namely, have had terrible frame rates and are pretty crippling at times. As I stated earlier I have a PC that is in great shape to be running the current generation of games (Crysis and beyond), so I'm used to high (50+ FPS) in everything and anything below 30ish FPS really starts to irk me so when a game drops to less than 20 and starts to lose frames I consider it to be pretty bad.

On the other hand, the exclusives I have for my PS3, which aren't many, seem to have an overall higher frame rate (or at least more stable). Uncharted is the game that really come to mind for me since it's probably the best looking game I've seen on a console, just my opinion, but runs better than some of the uglier games that I have on the 360 (Halo 3 comes to mind). So I started to wonder if the same was true for multi-platform realeases as well.

So the real question I'm posing is: Am I better off buying my multi-platform games for my new Playstation 3 or will I not notice a difference between the PS3 version and the Xbox 360 version?

At this point I have about one year of warranty left on my 360 and the same goes for my PS3, so that's a non-issue for me and I really don't have a preference on the controller since they're both basically the same now (bought a dual-shock 3 so I shouldn't be missing any rumbling). Xbox Live may be a factor at some point for certain games, but not really too concerned about multi-player.

And another question just popped in my head while typing this: Are console gamers used to bad frame rates? Up until I purchased my 360 I hadn't owned any gaming consoles since my PS1 and I can't find any reviews for any games that say the game has bad frame rates unless they're just absolutely sickeningly bad.

Again, not trying to bash, just trying to figure out what console I would get the better experience on for multi-platform console-only games. Probably not too many who can answer my question so if you don't have any basis for response beyond personal opinion, please find another thread, would rather not have to wade through 5 pages of trolling posts to find someone who can answer my question. Thanks ahead-of-time for any helpful responses.

how many pc gamers are out their? ms says that over 80% of pc users are gamers . But then why does so few major pc sellers don't put in gaming gpu ? most pcs you buy even the 800$ ones don't have a gaming cpu . if 80% game on pc why is their so little demand for gaming pc?deadmeat59

Fun post, everyone keeps saying PC gaming is dead, but us PC gamers rarely have time in-between the epic selection of games we have to step out to the forums and let everyone know we're still around. Have been gaming on PCs since around the time Doom came along and I have to say 2007 was probably one of the best years I've ever seen for PC gaming in terms of great releases and graphics hardware, doubt developers and hardware manufacturers would keep going to the lengths they do for a dead medium. As far as Vista is concerned, I love getting all 4 gigs of my memory + my 1536 MB of video memory (no pagefile ftw), even if it is costing me 3-5 FPS in a game.

The only thing that has disappointed me lately is DirectX 10 which is why I think a lot of people bash Vista, made promises to put more on the GPU and thus increase performance, but all it really does is hinder it. Other than that, I'd say PC gaming is alive and well, just need more companies like Crytek to push the evelope so we can get the amazing games that the hardware we have are capable of generating.

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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]You mean no FPS can dethrown Half Life. Because that sounds more believeable.mo0ksi

Not really, Which game has more hype, always talked about and sold like no other?

I can list a load of games that kill Halo in terms of quality.

I disagree about Half-Life not having the same hype as Halo. The hype is there, the marketing is not, Half-Life games sell themselves now. Halo 3 needed 100 million dollar marketing campaigns, Halo's "hype" was generated by the M$ marketing machine and they did a damned fine job of it, as this thread clearly indicates. Brainwashed masses = win for the big guys, Great games that don't need brainwashed masses to stand on their own = win for companies such as Valve. For it's time Half-Life was a masterpiece, same for HL2, can't say that Halo or any of it's sequels were.

Hehe, I love how people always bash games like this. One of the main things that you have to do in Mass Effect is *spoiler* read the quests that it puts in your journal. Sure it would have been easier to be able to track them all and plot courses for the galaxy map, but it's far from impossible to read them. And theres nothing wrong with just flying to some random solar system in some random galaxy to see if there's anything to do there, had a bit of fun just driving around finding minerals. Wouldn't recommend the game to everyone, but I had a blast with it. Just wish there was more of a distinction between the way paragon and renegade played out, but that wasn't really major when the story was still a lot more engaging than most games.

World in Conflict and The Orange Box come in as a tie for me. Ep. 2 was amazing and Portal was the first game I've replayed in quite a while. WiC is just intense and gorgeous, don't think I've playedanother RTS that has kept me on the edge of my seat like it does.

Looking forward to Crysis, CoD4, Jericho and Hellgate: London, hope they can impress like other games have this year. And Bioshock is definetly in my favorites list, it didn't blow me away quite like The Orange Box and WiC, but it's an awesome game as well.

I'd say that it probably will, but given that it's basically the biggest game to hit the 360 or any console really, I'm going to bet that it will be at least 2 years from now when we see it running on PC hardware.