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#1 DJ419
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[QUOTE="champion837"]

Who cares, many lives are being taken away by guns. Human lives are more important than the 2nd ammendment.

champion837

Lives were always taken since the beginning of civilization. The 2nd Amendment did not create murder.

Of course lives have been taken since the beginning of civilization, I didn't say otherwise. What I did say is that many people have died by a gun, these are facts that are more important than the 2nd amendment.

Many lives have been saved by it as well. But, you would never hear about those events in the media nearly as often. They don't sell as well as tragedy.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If what you are saying is true tell me then how someone like Adam Lanza would be able to acquire the means necessary to murder as many people as he did if he had to acquire these means illegally.

-Sun_Tzu-

He didn't aquire the weapons he used legally, he stole them from his mother. In fact, he broke 41 laws before he fired a shot in that school under Connecticut laws.

I don't know why it's been so hard for people in this thread continue to get caught up in these semantics and technicalities. Yes, in a strict literal sense he obtained these guns illegally, but that ignores the fact that there were legally acquired guns that were easily accessible to him in his house that would've otherwise not been there had they been illegal to purchase on the open market in the first place, which is the essence of the question I'm asking.

He could have obtained them the same way any criminal obtains illegal items. By buying them from other criminals.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There are mentally ill people throughout the developed world, yet the US is the only one of these countries that has to deal with these shootings at such an alarming rate. -Sun_Tzu-

The United States has a vastly different set of circumstances than most countries.

Such as?

Class seperations, guns per citizens, poverty levels. Just to name a few.

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[QUOTE="champion837"] I think that their fears of such an issue that isn't of necessity (guns aren't water) shouldn't matter when it comes to children being killed.champion837

Under the original premise of the 2nd Amendment. Guns are absolutely necessary.

Who cares, many lives are being taken away by guns. Human lives are more important than the 2nd ammendment.

Lives were always taken since the beginning of civilization. The 2nd Amendment did not create murder.

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="champion837"] I am talking about solutions, there will always be mentally ill people on the planet. We can't decide whether or not we have mentally ill people, we can however decide whether or not to have guns.champion837
I find that gun owners on gamespot seem to be against any sort of solution for fear of losing their guns. Even if that is not what is being proposed.

I think that their fears of such an issue that isn't of necessity (guns aren't water) shouldn't matter when it comes to children being killed.

Under the original premise of the 2nd Amendment. Guns are absolutely necessary.

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#6 DJ419
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[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="DJ419"]

This was a mentally ill person who's weapon of choice was a gun. This is a mental illness issue.

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I am talking about solutions, there will always be mentally ill people on the planet. We can't decide whether or not we have mentally ill people, we can however decide whether or not to have guns.

I find that gun owners on gamespot seem to be against any sort of solution for fear of losing their guns. Even if that is not what is being proposed.

I am a gun owner on gamespot who is only in fear of losing a choice.

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[QUOTE="champion837"] Of course the issue is human life and that should be addressed, but how can't it be gun control? This was a violence with a gun.-Sun_Tzu-

This was a mentally ill person who's weapon of choice was a gun. This is a mental illness issue.

There are mentally ill people throughout the developed world, yet the US is the only one of these countries that has to deal with these shootings at such an alarming rate.

The United States has a vastly different set of circumstances than most countries.

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#8 DJ419
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Why does the rarity of these shootings matter? And of course you can prepare for something that occurs (seemingly) spontaneously. It's ridiculous to say otherwise. champion837

What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder. Implementing gun control that will only ostricize millions of law abiding Americans as the result of rare occurence is wrong.

If it is a "rare" occurrence, then how would it ostracize millions by having gun control?

Because gun control takes away a choice of millions of Americans who choose to own guns for any lawful purpose.

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What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder.

-Sun_Tzu-

If what you are saying is true tell me then how someone like Adam Lanza would be able to acquire the means necessary to murder as many people as he did if he had to acquire these means illegally.

He didn't aquire the weapons he used legally, he stole them from his mother. In fact, he broke 41 laws before he fired a shot in that school under Connecticut laws.

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#10 DJ419
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The issue is not gun control but having people understand the worth of human life. champion837
Of course the issue is human life and that should be addressed, but how can't it be gun control? This was a violence with a gun.

This was a mentally ill person who's weapon of choice was a gun. This is a mental illness issue.