"If you support the death penalty, and only one single innocent person is killed, and killing an innocent person is murder, then you become a murderer. Therefore, you become a murderer, and you deserve to be killed. This is the death penalty paradox, and it cannot be avoided."
So long as human beings are in charge of who lives and who dies. Mistakes, are going to be made. Executing an innocent person is the worst thing that could possibly happen on this Earth. Capital punishment perpetuates this act.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So you're telling me that I'm to believe that a kid with no source of income, who has the social skills of a pet rock and who has trouble leaving his basement, let alone his own house is capable of acquiring the guns he used on the black market? -Sun_Tzu-
I'm not going to comment on a hypothetical. What I will say is, if the motivation is there. It will find a way.
You're not going to comment on your own hypothetical scenario that you yourself brought up?
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How does that explain the discrepancy in the frequency of these mass shootings.-Sun_Tzu-
Like I have already said, mass shootings are anomalies. They are not happening any more frequently than they have in the past. Mass shootings occur in all parts of the World.
Of the 12 deadliest shooting that have occurred in the history of the US, 6 of them have happened since 2007. And show me just one other developed country that has anywhere close to the number of mass shootings in its history compared to the US.
If were going to start going in circles, then I am finished. I am not going to pretend I know why Americans are killing eachother. The only thing I know, is that we have differences than many developed nations. These mass shooting are still rare, any way you want to slice it. What we need to be doing is looking at the type of people who are commiting these massacres, and from a glance. It would appear it is being commited by the same type of people. I think that is a better focus than guns.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How does that explain the discrepancy in the frequency of these mass shootings.champion837
Like I have already said, mass shootings are anomalies. They are not happening any more frequently than they have in the past. Mass shootings occur in all parts of the World.
But we have a chance to prevent them. We have a chance to save people's lives.
By what, banning guns??? Has the prohibition, or the collosal failure of the drug war not proven to us that banning things that people want from obtaining them works? What is your solution? Tell me how gun control is going to prevent criminals from getting guns.
[QUOTE="champion837"] Many more have died from them. These are facts.champion837
Many more have died from car accidents, that is a fact. Yet I don't see anyone pushing for automobile makers to use racecar standard safety in all vehicles.
Many people have died from cancer as well, should we stop preventing things from happening just because many people died from cars?
Medicine will prevent deaths from cancer, higher safety standards in cars will prevent deaths in accidents, gun control will not prevent deaths from gun crimes.
Class seperations, guns per citizens, poverty levels. Just to name a few.
How does that explain the discrepancy in the frequency of these mass shootings.
Like I have already said, mass shootings are anomalies. They are not happening any more frequently than they have in the past. Mass shootings occur in all parts of the World.
[QUOTE="champion837"] Of course lives have been taken since the beginning of civilization, I didn't say otherwise. What I did say is that many people have died by a gun, these are facts that are more important than the 2nd amendment.champion837
Many lives have been saved by it as well. But, you would never hear about those events in the media nearly as often. They don't sell as well as tragedy.
Many more have died from them. These are facts.
Many more have died from car accidents, that is a fact. Yet I don't see anyone pushing for automobile makers to use racecar standard safety in all vehicles.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't know why it's been so hard for people in this thread continue to get caught up in these semantics and technicalities. Yes, in a strict literal sense he obtained these guns illegally, but that ignores the fact that there were legally acquired guns that were easily accessible to him in his house that would've otherwise not been there had they been illegal to purchase on the open market in the first place, which is the essence of the question I'm asking. -Sun_Tzu-
He could have obtained them the same way any criminal obtains illegal items. By buying them from other criminals.
So you're telling me that I'm to believe that a kid with no source of income, who has the social skills of a pet rock and who has trouble leaving his basement, let alone his own house is capable of acquiring the guns he used on the black market?
I'm not going to comment on a hypothetical. What I will say is, if the motivation is there. It will find a way.
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