[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

People have been killing each other since the beginning of mankind, yet there are those with the audacity to point at guns and say "Those are the problem".

nocoolnamejim

Stupidity is as timeless as violence. That's the only explanation for people thinking that banning guns will help.

This is an AWB discussion, not nukes or spears.

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Great picture! Except it's highly misleading. Those number of people killed were the number of TOTAL automobile deaths from cars that year, not those killed by THAT SPECIFIC CAR. It also does not take into account the ratio of people using/owning a car vs. deaths, and the AMOUNT OF TIME using/owning a car. It ALSO doesn't take into account the benefit to society of people having access to cars vs. the harm of not letting people have cars. And it ALSO doesn't take into account how many people would have died if we didn't have laws in place regulating who could and could not use cars and certifying who was capable of using them. In other words, your argument is so incredible dumb that I'm shocked that the entire Internet, which is exposed to an astonishing amount of dumb on a daily basis, didn't crash due to overload.nocoolnamejim

People have been killing each other since the beginning of mankind, yet there are those with the audacity to point at guns and say "Those are the problem".

"Those number of people killed were the number of TOTAL automobile deaths from cars that year, not those killed by THAT SPECIFIC CAR." - You missed the point as to how it pertains to the AWB. We are discussing what is needed here and what should be banned. Any automobile that can go over 100 is completely unnecessary for society.

"It ALSO doesn't take into account the benefit to society of people having access to cars vs. the harm of not letting people have cars." - Take into account every person who ever needed to defend themself with a firearm.

"And it ALSO doesn't take into account how many people would have died if we didn't have laws in place regulating who could and could not use cars and certifying who was capable of using them." - Hypothetical at best.

There is no reason to call people dumb because they don't agree with your opinion.

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

"I believe that a persons moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves. The 2nd amendment is so obvious to me, it's insane that theres an argument. Lets pretend there is no document, lets pretend that families didnt leave the tyrants and slave drivers of europe so that they could practice the religion of their choice, so they could speak out without the fear of being murdered. That they could produce wool without the kings men coming and taking it from them during every season of harvest. Lets pretend that I just parachuted down to Earth one day and woke up one morning to all the wonderful resources that the Earth has to offer. That filled me with dreams of excellence, to pursue becoming the best person that I could possibly be. I don't need a document or a man to explain to me that I have a right to defend my gift of life."

Yet, there are politicians out there that are willing to dictate, where, how, and if I can defend myself.

nocoolnamejim

People have been killing each other since the beginning of mankind, yet there are those with the audacity to point at guns and say "Those are the problem".

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Person0"] A lot of the artillery was captured otherwise it was made or sold to the Americans. How could rebels in modern day capture things like tanks and jets when the army would be able to provide a rapid response to any attacks on military bases? They can't be made nearly as easily cannons and other things could be, and no one is going to be able to sell heavy arms to people. So how would people fighting the government get technology to match the government forces like we did during the revolution?Person0

You are just completely ignoring the entire principle of the 2nd amendment. Your claiming to know the future.

"I believe that a persons moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves. The 2nd amendment is so obvious to me, it's insane that theres an argument. Lets pretend there is no document, lets pretend that families didnt leave the tyrants and slave drivers of europe so that they could practice the religion of their choice, so they could speak out without the fear of being murdered. That they could produce wool without the kings men coming and taking it from them during every season of harvest. Lets pretend that I just parachuted down to Earth one day and woke up one morning to all the wonderful resources that the Earth has to offer. That filled me with dreams of excellence, to pursue becoming the best person that I could possibly be. I don't need a document or a man to explain to me that I have a right to defend my gift of life."

Yet, there are politicians out there that are willing to dictate, where, how, and if I can defend myself.

Oh what do you know? People's bare hands are responsible for murdering more people than Rifles and Shotguns combined. Yet, there are still those that point at rifles and say, they are the problem.

Solar cycle 24 is going to peak in mid 2013. These high temperatures are expected.

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Well it certainly makes it easier.Person0

Ofcourse guns make killing easier, that is their purpose. Gun control only deals with guns, not people. You tell me, which is the bigger issue?

There are over 100 million American citizens who made the choice to own guns legally for their own reasons. The vast, overwhelming majority of these people do not use their firearms to commit crimes. Ofcourse there are going to be a few that use their legally owned guns for acts of evil. People use the same argument that video games incite violence, there are millions of gamers in this world, there is bound to be a few bad people that are also gamers.

My point is, don't punish the masses for the actions of the few.

[QUOTE="DJ419"]

People have been killing eachother since the start of mankind. To suddenly say guns are the problem, is irresponsible, & misguided.

Person0

Ofcourse guns make killing easier, that is their purpose. Gun control only deals with guns, not people. You tell me, which is the bigger issue?

People have been killing eachother since the start of mankind. To suddenly say guns are the problem, is irresponsible, & misguided.