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#1 Damedius
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@zaryia said:

The head line never said this.

The right engages in domestic terror exponentially more than the left, in recent history. That's just a fact.

No that's not a fact, that's a superlative.

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#2  Edited By Damedius
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@SUD123456 said:

That's your complaint? That the headline doesn't tell the whole story? That is like complaining about water being wet.

The fact is that most extremism leading to murder is from the right. Hell, this is true of Islamic extremists who are conservative by nature.

Most killing by extreme leftists is of the state sponsored kind, instead of individuals or leftist groups. Obviously there are exceptions, but wake up man.

You approach these things as this is somehow an indictment of everyone on the right. No it is an indictment of extremism. Get over yourself and your hang ups.

No I'm complaining that the headline is misleading.

It gives people like you the impression that the left does not engage in killing which is obviously untrue.

Conor Betts killed 9 people this year. He described himself as a socialist.

If anything it just shows how the media shapes your perceptions with what it chooses to cover and the headlines it uses.

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#3 Damedius
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Damedius said:
@zaryia said:

It's not all. Just most.

Lol. You really don't read your links.

Wray’s testimony followed a House Homeland Security Committee hearing in May, where FBI counterterrorism chief Michael McGarrity testified that the bureau was investigating 850 potential domestic terrorism cases. McGarrity said that nearly half of the cases involved racially motivated extremists, most of whom were white supremacists.

Please stop and read before linking. Nearly half isn't most. Again another click bait headline that is contradicted just a few paragraphs down in the article which you would have found if you had bothered to read it.

FYI saying nearly half were white supremacists does NOT mean the other half were not right wing extremists or some portion therein.

The more you know...……….

It also doesn't mean they were.

The more you know.......

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#4 Damedius
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@zaryia said:

It's not all. Just most.

Lol. You really don't read your links.

Wray’s testimony followed a House Homeland Security Committee hearing in May, where FBI counterterrorism chief Michael McGarrity testified that the bureau was investigating 850 potential domestic terrorism cases. McGarrity said that nearly half of the cases involved racially motivated extremists, most of whom were white supremacists.

Please stop and read before linking. Nearly half isn't most. Again another click bait headline that is contradicted just a few paragraphs down in the article which you would have found if you had bothered to read it.

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@SUD123456 said:

@Damedius: Not sure exactly what you are complaining about? Almost all of the perps have links to right wing extremism; however, they only classify them as ideological if there is direct evidence regarding motivation that is tied to the specific event. They also go on to explain why.

Just after your quote they explain that they have not classified the Marjory Stoneman school shooter as ideologically driven despite his numerous connections to, and fascination with, right wing extremism. I guess the fact that his ammo magazines had swastikas on them wasn't enough to be sure of the motivation due to the lack of a manifesto or other statements about the specific action.

The point the ADL is making is that the toxicity of extremism (right or left) is the problem and creates numerous issues for society. And it just so happens that, except for one instance, every perp had ties/interest/fascination with right extremism.

I am pretty sure that Zariya and others would have just as much disgust for left wing extremists if they went around murdering people. But generally they don't as they are more of the destroy public property and beat up people type of extremists.

Last, all media have questionable headlines these days as it is hard to attract viewers without. What matters is the quality of the report itself. In this case the ADL report is very good because it explains its reasoning.

I'm complaining that the ADL pushes a narrative with their headlines that will convince those who don't bother to read deeper to assume that the right wing is responsible for all murders.

You only have to look as far as the comments in this thread to see it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

There is a recent example to show that not all extremism is on the right.

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#6  Edited By Damedius
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@zaryia said:
@Damedius said:
@joebones5000 said:

Makes sense. 99% of domestic terrorism is right wing terrorism.

You're 100% wrong.

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

That link is a red-herring. It only examines Jihadi terrorists, not total Domestic terror by ideology after 2011.

That being said, most of domestic terror in the last few years was from the far right.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/right-wing-extremism-linked-to-every-2018-extremist-murder-in-the-us-adl-finds

Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., ADL Finds

Do you read what you link?

Ideological motives appear to have played a primary or secondary role in 19 of the 50 extremist murders (38%) in 2018. In the remaining murders, either the role that ideology may have played is unclear, the motives in general are unclear or the murders were likely committed for non-ideological reasons. Over the past 10 years, 51% (216 out of 427) of domestic extremist-related murders have had a primary or secondary ideological motivation, so the 2018 proportion of ideologically-related killings is somewhat lower than average.

It's the same with almost all the click bait you link. A misleading click bait title which is usually contradicted somewhere in the report.

Then again it's the ADL, they don't get paid if there isn't a problem. So a click bait press release is probably good for business.

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#7 Damedius
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@joebones5000 said:

Makes sense. 99% of domestic terrorism is right wing terrorism.

You're 100% wrong.

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

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#8  Edited By Damedius
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@jeezers said:

why would anyone support firing someone on having an opinion on sex or gender? give it a rest, seriously why do some people want to live in a dystopian nightmare where people try to ruin your life because they disagree with their opinion. its stupid asf

humans have different opinions its normal, the day we all agree on everything is when we are all dead

side note: I dgaf about harry potter, always hated it tbh

The left are new puritans.

They are willing to burn witches at the stake for blasphemy.

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#9 Damedius
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@Nuck81 said:

You should get another suspension for bumping an old thread....

I would have responded earlier but was unable to for some reason...

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#10 Damedius
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@zaryia said:
@Damedius said:
@zaryia said:
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So you ban me and then quote my post asking a question.

I'm sure this was all done in "good faith".

Quit being a crybaby beta soyboy.

That looks like a ban worthy post if the moderators uphold the rules they claim to be enforcing when they ban me.

Omg she's still whining.

Says the guys that gets the moderators to win his debates for him.