[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="White_Dreams"] What's every measure anyway, the only other one is reviews, so critics with opinions thinks its better, but the population seems to think GT is better.White_Dreams

Reviews...simulation, car selection...

And sales are far from a good indicator of quality. It would be great if Forza sold more (because it deserves it in my opinion) but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

It seems like a good indicator to me, millions go out and buy it because they enjoy it so much, means as much as reviews.

[QUOTE="Drakshark2424"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] They made dirt? My bad :P I do enjoy DiRT. Both Burnout and DiRT and Burnout are superior to FH. As for Burnout versus DiRT, Its harder to compare. On has an off road focus the other is big on driving through traffic. I have a preferance for Burnouts style of game play over off road/derbie racing. SInce the two are pretty different games I would turn to scores. DiRT the more consistanly higher rated franchise, but they have only made three Dirt games as of this point in time that I know of. Critierion has put out at least three games that are at or higher then 9. AS a series Dirt has a 8.3 and two 9's. I'm really not going to call this one. Id say they are about equal.

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

I has a "ohh wait" at the end implying sarcasm but your are praising another devloper (codemasters, and I have no Idea who they are bt they apperently do F1). So am confused as to why you would praise another dev, but not really since I believe it was sarcasm, over criterion, when I was the one supporting criterion and you apperently disagreed?

Also F1 games are usually racing sims, so I fail to see how it fits into the relm of arcade racers.... I'm going to be honest I avoid sim racers like GT, Forza motorsport and anything with F1 in the name (because F1 games are usually sims, which bore me). I find them boring and stick to arcade racers.

Jonwh18

Codemasters is a large company, but I referring to DiRT franchise and it's huge critical success.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The consensus is that Forza 3 is much better than GT5.

tubbyc

I prefer the deeper, roaring sounds of the Forza cars compared to the higher pitched, sometimes vacuum-like sounds of the GT5 cars.

Some examples:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtf1zpXVrLI&feature=related

[QUOTE="Drakshark2424"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I do not see why they should get rid of something you do not have to use. Before the race turn it off and you will recieve more credits also. I have mine turned off but no reason not to have it in the game so others can not use it.Chemical_Viking

How does that work? Games are not real life. I don't treat it as if it is real life. Ergo, your accusation falls flat.

When you pause, you are not undoing mistakes you've made, an introduction which is contrary to the spirit of racing games.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

It's great, looks amazing, really interesting concept, but get rid of that filthy rewind button. UGH.

CanYouDiglt

lmao this thread turned into a full sales thread about everything lawl..you SW kids are funny :P... all i wanted to know was to understand what makes GT5 a fun game to those who played it but nvm

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="Drakshark2424"] As I mentioned in another thread, racing in the rain happens on select tracks. THIS is how you do rain. Like I said before, Quality > Quantity. More cars does NOT make it better. You have 1000 cars, but more than half of them are from almost a decade ago. Turn 10 has probably the most diverse car list ths gen. despite only having 650 in total. 5 years on development time and more than 80% of the cars that should belong in a PS2 game in THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR?? How could that be...? By the way don't get me started on physics when you can't even adjust camber/tire pressure settings in GT5. Tracks: Where's Road America? Road Atlanta? Nurburgring GP? Sebring International Raceway? Oh and show me pit stop animations on Suzuka while you're at it too. :)Z-Fatalis

You can adjust camber.

Both Nurb GP and Sebring are in GT.

Forza doesn't even have pit stop animations.

Forza still doesn't have Spa = FAIL

wow seriously? lol

No night racing, no wet races, no snow races, no pitstop animations, less cars, less tracks, worse handeling, worse physics..

Wtf does Forza actually have lol? :lol: