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#1 EsYuGee
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It was funny. She was having fun on a talk show. I was entertained and respect her a little more. She seems more fun loving and relaxed than I thought she was.

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Does Israel support Palestine's right to exist?

Look at that barrier go. Land grabbing and creating facts on the ground at its finest.:shock:

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[QUOTE="EsYuGee"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I stated above I typed the wrong country in because it was the last one I read and it stuck in my mind. I'm tired. Two countries get more...and one gets comparable. So stating we give Israel more foreign aid is incorrect.

Once the aid is given the country can do as it wishes. Aid allows allocation of resources within the country to whatever said country wants to fund. So whether the aid is given directly to the military or not...it allows increased funding for a military by not allocating funds for other issues. This is just quibbling over the money given.

What politicians say is immaterial. When is the last time you heard a politician tell the truth about anything?

LJS9502_basic

Excluding Pakistan and Afghanistan because of the reasons I stated earlier, you can add up all of the aid the US gives to ME countries and it still wouldn't equal the aid given to Israel.

In other words:

Egypt+ Saudi Arabia+ Lebanon+Palestine+Morocco+Tunisia+Libya+Yemen+Oman+Jordan+Kuwait+Bahrain+UAE+Qatar is LESS THAN Israeli Aid

So yes we do give Israel more foreign aid. Why is that?

They are not hostile to the US perhaps?:|

And again....I said comparable. And frankly Egypt is comparable. When talking money this large....the .8 billion difference is negligible. As for Afghanistan and Pakistan the aid is not only because of the war. As I said...foreign aid is not the same as money spent for the military.

And to get back to why we give Israel money...it's self interest. We have an established ally in the region where the oil is. So it's not altruistic by any means.

But that established ally causes us problems with the people in the region that have the oil. We probably also support them because AIPAC has alot of US politicians by the gazongas.

Where do you get .8 from? The difference between Israel and Egypt aid is 1.25 billion. Egypt gets 1.55 billion. That's little more than half of Israel's aid. 50% is not a negligible amount. That is not comparable.

That's my point though. Why do people in the US complain about Israel being their only partner in the ME while not fully fostering their relationship with other countries in the region. Jordan is stable with a pro-Western leader, but we don't give them close to the same privileges. Now is the time to build a good relationship with Egypt, which is perhaps the most influential country in the Arab world. Everyone will have to get over our past support for Mubarak, but taking the first step to a long journey is important. Maybe even Tunisia is a good candidate.

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#4 EsYuGee
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

According to that, Bahrain gets 20.8 million while Israel gets 2.8 billion...

And it's not just about financial aid (by the way, whereas a lot of countries in the ME get aid related to non-military purposes (some get aid related to the military), Israel's funding is almost entirely for the military). When was the last time you heard a US politician say they will support Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or any other ME country besides Israel in just about anything they do? Because unconditional support of Israel seems fairly common in the US.

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As I stated above I typed the wrong country in because it was the last one I read and it stuck in my mind. I'm tired. Two countries get more...and one gets comparable. So stating we give Israel more foreign aid is incorrect.

Once the aid is given the country can do as it wishes. Aid allows allocation of resources within the country to whatever said country wants to fund. So whether the aid is given directly to the military or not...it allows increased funding for a military by not allocating funds for other issues. This is just quibbling over the money given.

What politicians say is immaterial. When is the last time you heard a politician tell the truth about anything?

Excluding Pakistan and Afghanistan because of the reasons I stated earlier, you can add up all of the aid the US gives to ME countries and it still wouldn't equal the aid given to Israel.

In other words:

Egypt+ Saudi Arabia+ Lebanon+Palestine+Morocco+Tunisia+Libya+Yemen+Oman+Jordan+Kuwait+Bahrain+UAE+Qatar is LESS THAN Israeli Aid

So yes we do give Israel more foreign aid. Why is that?

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[QUOTE="EsYuGee"]Afghanistan and Pakistan get so much because we're in a war over there. Which countries get comparable amounts? Why do we give so much to Israel?

LJS9502_basic

Well no.....military expenditures are not included in Foreign Aid.

Of course I'm not talking about the other billions we spend on the actual war. We're currently nation building in Afghanistan. Why do we give so much aid to Afghanistan and Pakistan?
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[QUOTE="EsYuGee"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Several countries come close and according to this Bahrain gets more money.

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Um... I think you should read that map a little closer. No one comes close to the amount of money we give to Israel.

Egypt gets 1.55 billion.

Egypt gets about 55% of what Israel gets. And the main reason we do that is because of Suez and to keep then friends with Israel. We only started giving them that much when they signed a peace treaty with Israel.

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[QUOTE="EsYuGee"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Several countries come close and according to this Bahrain gets more money.

LJS9502_basic

Um... I think you should read that map a little closer. No one comes close to the amount of money we give to Israel.

Afghanistan according to that map is getting more.....and several countries are getting comparable amounts...as in...not small amounts.

Afghanistan and Pakistan get so much because we're in a war over there. Which countries get comparable amounts? Why do we give so much to Israel?

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

We don't support any other country in the ME to the extent we support Israel, not even close.

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Several countries come close and according to this Bahrain gets more money.

Um... I think you should read that map a little closer. No one comes close to the amount of money we give to Israel.
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#10 EsYuGee
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

i disagree. i think there is only one side the US can support and that is isreal which is both a political and economic gain. maybe when the palestinians get rid of the terrorist organization they elected into power a real peaceful 2-state solution can exist.

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That is the problem but no one wants to say it here.....

It is definitely a problem and the Palestinians need to remove Hamas from power, but it is not only the Palestinians who are to blame for the lack of a peaceful solution.

You guys do realize that Hamas only controls the Gaza Strip and not the larger West Bank, right? What do you guys thinks about the developments in the West Bank?