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#1 Escobahr
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Escobahr give it up man. If it was my tv then all my games would have screen tearing. Not just some. Bioshock on 360 has an option to turn v-sync on or off so people can choose between better framerate and screen tearing. It would solve a lot of problems if this option was included in more console games. It's been in pc games for years. x-2tha-z

for someone who came here looking for help it seems your pretty close minded....perfect mindest for SW...

anyhow...hey you may wanna explain your theories to these people as well..

"To: Samsung Electronics USA

We, the undersigned, are either owners or soon-to-be owners of your latest generation of HDTV LCD Screens (LN-Txx42H/53H).

We have discovered an issue with your screens which is referred to as video "tearing". This defect is best described as a "thin line" or "ripple" across the screen, where the image above and below it are refreshing at different points.

This problem is seen at 480p, 720p, and 1080i from different sources (HD Satellite, HD Cable, DVD, Xbox, PS3, Wii) and with both HDMI and Component connections. The problem is worst at 480p and 720p, which are both resolutions your screens are claimed to handle.

We know for a fact that these problems have been brought to the attention of your Tier1 and Tier2 customer services representatives. We also know that a nearly identical problem was reported 2 years ago in the UK for the LExxR41/51, a set made by Samsung UK, and that eventually a firmware update was released which eliminated the tearing. We would like to know exactly what Samsung's view is on this problem, and how it is going to be rectified, for current, and future owners of this set! "

or this guy
"Samsung LCDs are known to do this. This type of tearing is different from those game specific tearing. I've tried multiple component devices on my Samsung LCD TV and the same type of tearing occurs in the bottom third of the screen. I then took my component devices and tested them on OTHER HDTVs, no tearing whatsoever. I was sure that my TV was having problems before I complained to Samsung and requested help."

heres another guy whos taken vids of his issues
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Examples of the Video Tearing Problem with Samsung LN-T3242H

Look along the bottom quarter of the image for a horizontal line that rises from the bottom, then disappears. These videos/stills were taken with a digicam pointed at the TV. The Xbox 360 was connected to the TV via its component cables and was running at 720p resolution."
http://www.rnrh.net/video/samsung_tearing/

yet another

"I currently have a 32" Samsung LCD TV, LN-S3251D. It has tearing issues, and because nothing can be done, they will replace my model with a newer version, a LN-T.

The only thing is I'm reading that some of these are also having tearing issues!

Does anyone know of a comparable Samsung model I could get as a replacement that DOESN'T have tearing? It's really annoying seeing that tear whenever I want to play games!

I've read that the LN-T3253H has a firmware upgrade that is supposed to fix tearing. Can anyone verify that the upgrade actually fixes the solution? If not I'll see if I can manage a refund with Samsung. If all their TVs have this problem, I don't want one."

i really think this tearing, glitches and other issues AC may be having are so in the minority, but being blown out of proportion by fanboys from both sides.....have fun



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#2 Escobahr
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what your doing is called conflating....your associating a solution to a problem.

let me explain. the more on screen detail, color and resolution you display the more chance you stand to suffer from sync/refresh issues if you have a tv that cannot properly support 720p/1080i/1080p

this is a fact.

now, if a dev decides to lower the demands o his game, by lowering the resources it takes to display the game....this will take stress off of the HDTV and eliviate refresh issues

there is a series of samsung tvs that work great as regular hdtv (movies,tv) but when a game is ran through them tearing occurs

not to say this is 100% the reason AC is tearing, but it would explain why your not seeing this issue across the board with the game

food for thought

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[QUOTE="Escobahr"]oh hey just thought id mention...most times screen tearing has more to do with your HDTV than it does with your game and system. i have experienced no tearing at all with my PS3 copy of AC. but i also researched my tv before i bought it.x-2tha-z
Sorry, not calling you stupid, but screen tearing occurs when devs don't include v-sync. No v-sync means better frame rate. It has nothing to do with your tv but I also do research on a topic before I speak about it.

you couldnt be more wrong for example....

"Hi guys, I have a question regarding other people's experiences with screen tearing & HD-DVD. I have an Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on and a Sony KDS60A2000 tv. They are connected via component cables using 1080i on the 360. I have never had any problems watching HD-DVD on it and neither has anyone else who has viewed it in my house.

However just recently one of my friends mentioned all he sees is screen tearing. When he mentioned it, I asked other people in the room if they could see it and nobody else says that they can see it. This confuses me. Is it possible for only one person to see screen tearing and nobody else? I haven't seen anybody else report problems like this. He is the only person out of everyone who has seen my HD-DVD setup that has reported seeing this. We were watching the following DVD's while trying to see what he was seeing:

-Serenity
-Chronicles of Riddick
-Bourne Supremacy"

as you can see this gamer is actually having issues with hddvd movies....not games. its his tv. and heres why....

Tearing is a phenomenon that gives a disjointed image. The idea is as if you took a photograph of something, then rotated your vew maybe just 1 degree to the left and took a photograph of that, then cut the two pictures in half and taped the top half of one to the bottom half of the other. The images would be similar but there would be a notable difference in the top half from the bottom half. This is what is called tearing on a visual display. It doesn't always have to be cut right in the middle. It can be near the top or the bottom and the separation point can actually move up or down the screen, or seem to jump back and forth between two points.

Why does this happen? Lets take a specific example. Let's say your monitor is set to a refresh rate of 75Hz. You're playing your favorite game and you're getting 100FPS right now. That means that the mointor is updating itself 75 times per second, but the video card is updating the display 100 times per second, that's 33% faster than the mointor. So that means in the time between screen updates, the video card has drawn one frame and a third of another one. That third of the next frame will overwrite the top third of the previous frame and then get drawn on the screen. The video card then finishes the last 2 thirds of that frame, and renders the next 2 thirds of the next frame and then the screen updates again. As you can see this would cause this tearing effect as 2 out of every 3 times the screen updates, either the top third or bottom third is disjointed from the rest of the display. This won't really be noticeable if what is on the screen isn't changing much, but if you're looking around quickly or what not this effect will be very apparant.

as you can see its an issue between a video source and the crt/monitors refresh rate. alot of the samsung flat panels had to be recalled due to refresh issues.

so, no...its not a code problem in the game

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oh hey just thought id mention...most times screen tearing has more to do with your HDTV than it does with your game and system. i have experienced no tearing at all with my PS3 copy of AC. but i also researched my tv before i bought it.
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#5 Escobahr
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dood seriously...both versions are glitched andhave been blown wayyyy out of proportion by SW arguments.

the sad part here is that you came into system wars expecting a non biased honest answer. im sorry, not calling you stupid, but if you think anyone in SW is going to answer your question truthfully so you can make an educated purchase.....well have fun with that!

the real honesty, is that both versions have small graphical issues, but they are really minimal. ive played both. and youd have to be a SW creep to think either version isnt worth enjoying. enjoy your PS3 version becasue i promise you it runs the same as the 360 version, because i own both. i have 3 roommates and we all own each system and many games for it. and yes ive had a ton of hands on time with AC for 360 and i prefer it fo the PS3...i think it actually has a better framerate....by a tiny tiny bit. almost unoticable.

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#6 Escobahr
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hopefully im wrong but...cant demos also mean videos? well see, again i hope im wrong.Escobahr

just thought id quote my self, to show my rightness off

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#7 Escobahr
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hopefully im wrong but...cant demos also mean videos? well see, again i hope im wrong.
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#8 Escobahr
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i agree with both of you....

but im just wondering ...thats all

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#9 Escobahr
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not just on gamespot, but on most sites i notice there seems tobe a rash of reviewers very eager to assign a 10/10.

has it lost its meaning? i awlays thought the elusive perfect 10 was something that only got pulled out once every 5-7 years.

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#10 Escobahr
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there needs to a mockumentary about videogame fanboys. kinda like "best in show" or "this is spinal tap"

the gaming community is a fertile ground for whackjobs...lookit the new jade raymond lawsuit for evidence!!