lol, RE5 makes this game it's *****

but not much has been seen.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]

you called RE4 an action horror, LOL. when its clearly a SURVIVAL HORROR, leon has to SURIVE THE HORROR while trying to do his job. Horror, being the creatures, enemies, atmostphere..please look up the word SURVIVAL for me. :)

leon has to survive in RE4..what from? what THEME is it? macho guys with guns (action) chicks with sticks (LOVE) or creatures and killings (HORROR)?

kingfire11

That's not survival horror. He has no problem surviving. In RE4 you'll fight ten villigars at once, and blow all of them away with a shotgun and grenades, with plenty of explosions, there's the action. There's no "horror" in that, it's jsut action, and it's the majoriy of the game. Other parts of the game have you creeping around a facility, with Regenerators around corners, there's the horror. Hence, "action horror", a sort of genre cross over.

Now take REmake. You have nearly no ammo, there's not too many enemies, but more then enough to make sure you'ven ot enough ammo to take them all out.You spend a lot of time creeping around a mansion, trying to solve puzzles and exploring new rooms,, all the while knowing there's monsters around that could come out of nowhere, that you may not have enough ammo to kill. There's horror, and a hard time surviving, hence "survival horror".

Couldn't agree more,

RE4 was more like an action game than a survival, hell in most situations you can see your enemies from a long distance and you always have enough ammo, the surprise factor is rarely used in that game.

I'm not saying RE4 sucks, it's one of my fav game of last gen, but it's not as spooky as the remake or even the original title.

:| you say Remake is surival horror, yet u can just dogde most zombie. the games were piss easy, play RE4 on pro and don't upgrade your weapons..and see which is more surival..i can't count the times i felt my ammo was limited.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]

you called RE4 an action horror, LOL. when its clearly a SURVIVAL HORROR, leon has to SURIVE THE HORROR while trying to do his job. Horror, being the creatures, enemies, atmostphere..please look up the word SURVIVAL for me. :)

leon has to survive in RE4..what from? what THEME is it? macho guys with guns (action) chicks with sticks (LOVE) or creatures and killings (HORROR)?

ithilgore2006

That's not survival horror. He has no problem surviving. In RE4 you'll fight ten villigars at once, and blow all of them away with a shotgun and grenades, with plenty of explosions, there's the action. There's no "horror" in that, it's jsut action, and it's the majoriy of the game. Other parts of the game have you creeping around a facility, with Regenerators around corners, there's the horror. Hence, "action horror", a sort of genre cross over.

Now take REmake. You have nearly no ammo, there's not too many enemies, but more then enough to make sure you'ven ot enough ammo to take them all out.You spend a lot of time creeping around a mansion, trying to solve puzzles and exploring new rooms,, all the while knowing there's monsters around that could come out of nowhere, that you may not have enough ammo to kill. There's horror, and a hard time surviving, hence "survival horror".

erm..what LEON does is called SURVIVAL HORROR, no matter how u spin it or add the extra weapons/moves. the term isn't ONLY refered by limited ammo LOL, or fewer enemies, thats you loving the classic RE and making something a fact, which isn't.

RE4 is as much of a SH as the old RE's. no matter how you look at it. your not giving unlimited ammo and grenade launchers from the beginning to kill every single thing in your path with no deaths. lol

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/news.html?sid=6126204

There is your link. Sony sure did claim it was real E3 2005.

SpruceCaboose

are u sure that comment wasn't taken or refered to the Jack Tretton interview? i think it was.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Il_Exile_lI"]At least this game is still survival horror, not like RE5 which looks like a third person shooter. All the footage we have seen of it has been in a brightly lit, wide open area, how is that survival horror?jethrovegas

It isn't survival-horror. It's action-horror. Welcome to January 11th, 2005.

another clueless person.

RE4 is a SURVIVAL HORROR, leon has to SURVIVE THE HORROR while trying to do his job. Horror, being the creatures, enemies, atmostphere..please look up the word SURVIVAL for me.

leon has to survive in RE4..what from? what THEME is it? macho guys with guns (action) chicks with sticks (LOVE) or creatures and killings (HORROR)?

You have to be kidding me.

Leon has to "survive the horror" so it's a survival-horror game? Is F.E.A.R. a survival-horror game because you have to "survive the horror"? Man, you need to tighten up your genre definitions.

Yes, RE4 is a horror game, I have said as much several times in this thread. Its stylings sit squarely within the horror genre, but its primary gameplay emphasis is on action; the survival elements (ie, conserving ammo and health) take a backseat to that action, and, if you have even a modicum of skill, remain on auto-pilot for the duration of the game.

Thus the term action-horror, a phrase that, in my mind, carries no inherent negative connotations (I loved RE4). It just is what it is.

this guy has no idea the term "SURVIVAL" and if he does, his trying to work around it...LMFAO!

come on, you expect me to take u seriously? RE4 is a SURVIVAL HORROR GAME, the game is just like the previous ones, with added moves weapons and a different perspective....for god sake.

When the lights at Monday's PlayStation 3 demo came up, the audience members picked up their jaws off the floor...and began wagging their tongues. Like a game version of the Kennedy assassination, the audience quickly split into two camps: Those who thought the demo was prerendered, making it essentially computer animation, and those who thought it was rendered in real time, which means it would be close, graphically, to actual gameplay.

The fires of speculation were fueled further by the ambiguous comments of Jan-Bart Van Beek, game director of the PS3 Killzone at Guerrilla Games, to the official PlayStation UK site."It's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make," he said.

Then a post on the Eurogamer forums laid out a tantalizing conspiracy: Axis Animation, the same Scottish computer animation company that made a cinematic for the first Killzone, had been working on the E3 demo for months as straight-up CG.

So how does Sony respond to the allegations? Far from being evasive, it met them head-on. "Yes, it is real time," a rep told GameSpot.

Sony after E3 2005.

SpruceCaboose

Link and who was the rep?

i'm just going by this vid interview, had no idea there was more.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

1) Limited saves
2) Limited ammunition
3) Crimson Heads

1) That's an estandard element of the RE series, not of the whole survival horror genre. It is like saying that firing fireballs is satandard for platformers.

2) In RE4, the first time you play it I bet you didn't have unlimited ammo or health. I bet you needed to care about how you use your ammo and health items.

3) Argueable.


The control scheme used in RE4 was still incredibly flawed, there was no shooting while moving and the movment was still as clunky as it was in the previous games, the only reason it didn't seem that way to a lot of people is because of the change in perspective combined with the free-aim.

That's enough for making it feel waaay more confortable than any other RE before.

You obviosly never played the Res Remake on Gamecube. It is by all means a "survival horror" game and the Crimson heads alone make it leagues better than Ras 4 in terms of "survival" and "horror."

Better (In your opinion), but just for that it doesn't mean RE4 is no survival horror.

Besides, once you mastered the controld of RE (what is really uncomfortable), you can practically aboy every single enemy (go left, wait until the zombie, dog or frog-man turns to you and the run right). Hoe exactly is "survival" if you keep aboiding every danger?

RE4 forces you to fight, and to survive the battle (and sometimes surviving can be really difficult). There's no running away this time.

The "horror" aspects are still there, ok, far less impressive than in previous game. But they are still there.

How would you like it if Gears was changed from an action game to a slow-moving, puzzle-adventure game?

The change in RE4 was not that radical. It would be a better comparission if Gears became a FPS. I probably wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't bash it just for that.

IronBass

you sir are a smart guy....nicely said.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AZbOF9QC--o

Sony's Jack Tretton was talking about Ted's game..as in Ted Price from insomiac the dude behind RESISTANCE.

The interviewer said other demos including KZ2. Obviously the interviewer was focussed on KZ2 but killzone was a trailer not a demo. Jack was talking about RFOM and the real gameplay..pure and simple.

after he says its all realtime gameplay he follows with "thats what ted wanted everyone to understand, its all gameplay"