[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

I am an Agnostic Christian that believes in Theistic Evolution :oops: I know, I am a very complex individual.

The thing that bugs me though is that some people actually take what these teenagers say to heart, much like I did a few years ago (on a different site). It turned me into a hate-filled atheist much like many people on this site.. Luckly about a year ago I found the grace of god again in my life. I have seen life through the eyes of both sides, so I know that neither belief is perfect and both have their problems.

zakkro

In b4 you pretending to feel "sorry" for me or making me mad and not adding anything to the conversation.

Um... Haven't I already added to the conversation :??

People mold their ideas all the time to fit their frame of thought. Science is evolving and able to explain a lot more than it did 1000 years ago. I am not just going to ignore everything that doesn't suit my belief perfectly. And lastly my 'beliefs' having nothing to do with whether or not I am going to help the advancement of the human race. I actually want to get in the medical field and help people, but I guess by your logic, that wouldn't help 'the human race'.

P.S. Why would I feel sorry for you :question:. You are not sick or anything are you?

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences.

atejas

That's your opinion, but a bunch of teenagers operationg anonymously cant be held to the same standard as adult scientists who are held responsible for their actions.

By the way, so I have an idea who I'm talking to, are you a creationist or just a christian

I am an Agnostic Christian that believes in Theistic Evolution :oops: I know, I am a very complex individual.

The thing that bugs me though is that some people actually take what these teenagers say to heart, much like I did a few years ago (on a different site). It turned me into a hate-filled atheist much like many people on this site.. Luckly about a year ago I found the grace of god again in my life. I have seen life through the eyes of both sides, so I know that neither belief is perfect and both have their problems.

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="atejas"]

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

atejas

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

Even if that were generally true, christian scientists are a minority, and you cant say that every atheistic/agnostic scientist/historin/anthropologist is close-minded

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences.

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

zakkro

Way to generalize :roll:.

It is like me saying that Evolutionists don't give crap about the morals of children.

Ok, I have never even heard of Kitzmiller vs Dover, so that means that there is ATLEAST one Creationist who DOES give a crap about the education of children. That automatically makes your argument flawed.

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

atejas

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

-Jiggles-

Way to generalize :roll:.

It is like me saying that Evolutionists don't give crap about the morals of children.

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[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

Just because you are going through a tough time doesn't mean that God doesn't love you :(. You are not the only one who is going through tough times. I currently am trying to shake of a constant migraine that I have had for 3 weeks now. It was actually so bad that I wound up in the ER one night. Everybody goes through difficult times, so don't worry. God hasn't abandon you. He is allowing everything to happen for a reason. Just know that things will always get better as long as you have faith in the lord.

My condolences go out to you, but I hope you don't turn your back on God for such a silly reason as that.

clash76-grunger

Better? Thats pathetic. I pray every day for people to stop hating, war to end, peace to come about, people to love respect and treat eachother. I pray every day that I could be a better person. What do I get? Kicked to the curb by my family. Left to starve. Left yet another night of loneliness. Did you pray for that migraine to go away? No, I think God wants you to suffer just a little longer. Its for a reason.

Heres your reason:

he doesn't care!!!

As long as there is free will, then there will never be peace. It is impossible. And to think that God will answer every little prayer you ask of him is ridiculous.

About the migraine; yes I did pray, and I do believe the reason why I still have this headache is because God has a plan. This is probably my most radical view I hold, but yes, I do believe God has complete control and allows some bad things to happen to teach us something. I believe EVERYTHING happens for a reason. If life is not getting better, then maybe you should stop complaining and get out there and change it. You do have a reason for being here. If you didn't, God would have already taken you away from this world. So instead of complaining, why don't you go out and try to change some of the things that are bothering you. You have the ability, all you need is the motivation.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I'm no religion.halfnaked

Same here. Being agnostic =/= religious, right?

See, I one time said that I was an agnostic Christian, but everybody told me you couldn't be both. Oh well, guess I learn something new everyday.