[QUOTE="Gears_Fiend"]

You bring up some very valid points, however if Nintendo did capitalize on what the Playstation merely tapped into, then why does the PS3 and 360 have more 3rd party support then the so called more larger casual gaming audience of the Wii?

aemena

You have to stop seeing the 3rd party support from a hardcore gamer point of view, yes the 360 and the PS3 have more 3rd party support for HARDCORE GAMES! but for casual games the Wii has a very respectfull 3rd party support, and it is what people in this forum call shovelware, but that's what the casual market BUYS!! for them it's not shovelware, for them is family fun! it's a good afternoon with friends! and that's what Nintendo is after! they want no gamers to come and play a Wii, but they won't come if you give them MGS4 or GeOW, it's too complicated for them, they want an easy way to play and have fun, they don't care about graphics, controls, framerate, HD, sound, lasting appeal, etc. they just want to have fun.

Whenever I don't have a game to play in the Wii, I have my 360 to fulfill my needs, so I never stop playing! and that's the the story for most us hardcore gamers that have a Wii. That's why I said in my first post that I have the best of the two worlds, 360 = best for hardcore games Wii = Best 1st party and casual games!

How can I complain??!!! I like hardcore and casual games, and I have the best two systems for that!

So in other words Nintendo is taking advantage of those who don't know enough about games to check reviews and the quality of games before blowing $50.00 of their hard earned cash per game and $250.00 on the Wii, such as certain parents and grandparents who buy the system for their kids and grandkids but are stuck with trying to decide amongst so much shovelware that they just blindly spend money because the Wii is so cheap and it has a gimmicky motion sensor controller.

Well, yeah okay business is business but that just means they just want the fast and easy buck and could care less whether they have or hang on to a loyal fanbase, because even within' my own little circle of life i know 6 friends and family members, not including myself that have already traded their Wii in because of the lack of good games.

So i guess it's all on how you look at it, you can either buy a Wii and settle for a handful of good games and lots of shovelware titles or you can get the most for your money and buy a 360 or PS3 and get the vastly more supported consoles with first and 3rd party support not to mention superior HD graphics and online play. To most people that would be a no brainer, but i guess when people are strapped for finances and can't afford anything better then they buy a Wii, but wait that doesn't add up because there actually throwing that money away because of all the low rated shovelware. So c'mon admit it you know what the smarter purchases are.

My fellow gamer, the trade numbers mean nothing to me until I see some official numbers, other than that it's just expeculation and generalization of what is happening IN YOUR AREA! Just because in you nearest Gamestop there are more used Wii's in stock it doesn't mean that ALL of the US Gamestops have the same situation. You must never generalize.

And about how disapointed you are with the Wii, it's just your opinion and I respect it but some of us are very happy with our Wii, we like the games, we like the controls, and whenever we want to feel hardcore we grab our 360 or PS3 and buy a gore and violent game. I for instance have more games for my Wii than for my 360.

I don't think Nintendo shot themselves in the foot, they just outsmarted their competition, the money is not in the "hardcore market" anymore, the money is in the "casual market" a monster that the Playstation created and that Nintendo has exploded and taken a HUGE advantage of. The tendancy is heading toward the casual market, MS and Sony thought the money was in HD, but no, Nintendo saw the casual market, saw the potential and bet on it, and they won, plain and simple.

Sure, you are not happy with the direction Nintendo took, but I can't blame them, after all this is a business and they are in it for money. Next generation, I am sure Sony and MS will make the transition too.

aemena

You bring up some very valid points, however if Nintendo did capitalize on what the Playstation merely tapped into, then why does the PS3 and 360 have more 3rd party support then the so called more larger casual gaming audience of the Wii?

Great, it take one person to destroy the credentials of all old-timers. Let me make it clear that this person does not represent the views or opinions of any other person on this forum that over 30.

DaBrainz

Oh ok so now you speak for all gamers under 30 ? was there some election that i missed out on because thats a pretty big position you got there.

[QUOTE="Gears_Fiend"]

How old am i ?i'll be 40 in january with a wife and 2 kids, how long have i been playing video games ? since 1977....

NOW WHAT ? HUH? NOW WHAT ?

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i am therefore probably one of the most qualified in this forum and thread to write about any topic concerning video games and the consoles that are manufactured.

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because i'll sit you down in your little desk and give you an education on gaming you won't believe.

Fawlcon_Pawnch

hmmmmm...

You say you are 40??

Yeah i'll be 40 in january

super mario galaxy, smash bros, de blob, zack & wiki, medal of honor, zelda, dragon quest, resident evil, trauma center are saturday morning cartoons to you?

you should be sued for slander.

how old are you? how long have you been playing games? are you kidding me resident evil is childish to you? just go play whatever games you like to play, mustn't have alot of games or else you wouldn't be on this board bashing some console you'll never own.

and BTW, alot of us would rather play Wario Land, Super Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil, Okami, Zack & Wiki, Smash Bros over fable and gears.

here's something i think would shock you while playing gears 2 or resistance 2, PUZZLES! intelligence using tasks that don't require mindlessly shooting someone in the head, while you wonder why 30 shots in their head doesn't kill them and why can you stand behind cover and regenerate life, that isn't very realistic.

and lego games are very good. why else would they get AA here if they weren't?

seriously you think okami is kiddy? no, there is nothing you can say to convince you aren't in high school. you can't possibly have played games in 2006 and not heard about it, it got glowing reviews in fall 2006, it won many GOTY awards and should've won more

no, sir its ironic you're trying to insult the wii for being a console for non-gamers, as if thats a bad thing coz it isn't. but you come across to me as nothing but a non-gamer.

do you have some elitiest god complex and think people who don't play games regularly don't deserve the right to have some games cater for them? i mean if you don't like the wii, and you like your other consoles than why do you feel the need to fight this fight so hard if it doesn't matter to you? what are you trying to prove?

and if the wii is such a non-gamer dedicaed console why is it 2 tales games, 4 final fantasy, and fatal frame, and monster hunter 3 are all exclusive to the wii?

How old am i ?i'll be 40 in january with a wife and 2 kids, how long have i been playing video games ? since 1977....

NOW WHAT ? HUH? NOW WHAT ? I have been playing games longer than most of you have been alive and i've owned every console and portable ever made since the telstar system that displayed only in black and white, i am therefore probably one of the most qualified in this forum and thread to write about any topic concerning video games and the consoles that are manufactured.

Now i know for a fact you don't have my experience in years or game time in your short little life so, don't even try to come into my thread and preach to me as if i'm a 12 year old with no knowledge of console gaming, because i'll sit you down in your little desk and give you an education on gaming you won't believe.

That is why I have a 360 as well. I can't complain at all, I have the best of the two worlds!

And if a person ONLY has a Wii is because they don't really care about those games, they are looking for more family games than gore and violent games.

But you know what cracks me up about your topic, is that no matter how hard you try to put the Wii in a bad position, the numbers for their hardware and software sales give you a big slap in the face, eventhough you don't like the Wii, this little "Gamecube with a Wiimote" has already won this generation in just 2 years, I am sure that for a Nintendo hater that must hurt and reading this topic I can't tell that it hurts you ALOT!!!

So sorry for you, since you are also missing some great titles that are only on the Wii! oh well, I guess that is why you decided to be a fanboy!

aemena

First of all their software sales do not anywhere near match their hardware sales and their hardware sales count for nothing because hundreds of Wii's are traded in each day for 360's and PS3's and actually whether you want to believe me or not i used to own every Nintendo system ever made at one time or another including a Wii a while back along with my 360 and i had such Wii titles as Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, MoH Heroes 2, Super Paper Mario, R.E.-4 and those shooters were the primary reason i ended up trading it because as i said the control scheme was terrible and it did frustrate me to trade it because i loved the 1st party titles but it's just not enough.

I'm not a Nintendo hater, i already said i wish they made a more competitive hardware system with a traditional control scheme so they could share more 3rd party titles that way i wouldn't have had to trade it, but i really believe they shot themselves in the foot with the Wii, yeah they made their profits but screwed over their loyal fanbase, i hope at least with the money they make from the Wii and DS sales they invest it into a much more serious hardware based system for then next gen .

[QUOTE="Gears_Fiend"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Gears_Fiend"]

People are tired of Zelda and Mario? I guess all those that threaten to sell their Wiis if the new Zelda doesnt come out soon are product of my imagination, amirite ;)

Senor_Kami

You just made my point for me, if it's true and "all Wii owners are threatening to sell their Wii's if the new Zelda doesn't come out soon", just goes to show how dependent the Wii owners are on Nintendo first party titles, because without them you'd have nothing of substance or high ratings.

Don't most people normally buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo games?

Well they'd better because god knows there's nothing else to play.

So now high quality first party games is the mark of a weak system. SMH @ people now a days.

You know... most people buy systems because of exclusives. LOL @ someone who was like, "I bought the 360 because it has NBA Live... a game I can't play on any other system."

The Wii should be a real eye opener to you guys. First it was PS2 sold 150 million, its clearly the best. Now that the Wii is killing sales, the rhetoric is that sales are totally irrelevant to everything and you can not and should not rate or judge a system based off of its sales.

First it was exclusives make or break a system... Halo 3 and MGS4 ftw. Nintendo makes mostly AAA titles for the Wii (gamerankings) but now having high quality exclusives means you suck.

Its also been ruled that if you make top rated sequels to your core franchises (Brawl, Metriod, Mario, Zelda with Punch Out, Kid Icarus, Pikmin and Animal Crossing on the way), you're ignoring your core audience.

360 and PS3 have their huge exclusives as well as Nintendo such as, Halo 3, Gears, Fable 2 - Resistance, God of War 3, Ratchet and Clank, nobody is saying that having huge 1st party exclusives is a bad thing but, to really get your money's worth out of any system you shouldn't have to rely on just either 1st or 3rd party games but , in fact you should have a huge amount of variety in both 1st and 3rd party support.

Nintendo does not have that, as my list proves all you have as far as truly high rated quality games are your 1st party and that is sad, it actually would have been nice if Nintendo was a true next gen competitor as far as games go.

All those Wii sales you guy's brag about so much mean nothing now because there being traded in for 360's and PS3's because of lack of games and lack of 3rd party support. Don't believe me go to your local game store and ask them which of the 3 consoles do they have the most used units of in stock and they will tell you the Wii.

[QUOTE="Gears_Fiend"]

People are tired of Zelda and Mario? I guess all those that threaten to sell their Wiis if the new Zelda doesnt come out soon are product of my imagination, amirite ;)

HarlockJC

You just made my point for me, if it's true and "all Wii owners are threatening to sell their Wii's if the new Zelda doesn't come out soon", just goes to show how dependent the Wii owners are on Nintendo first party titles, because without them you'd have nothing of substance or high ratings.

Don't most people normally buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo games?

Well they'd better because god knows there's nothing else to play.

Yeah all you guy's that play music or have screaming kids, or even people talking close to the headset as well as any other back ground noise thats interfering with in game communication and game sound fx should be banned from playing online.

What, you can't be happy with just communicating with other players or wait until kids go to bed or are not around before you play, i mean c'mon it's so annoying to hear that junk.

Who agrees and disagrees ?