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#1 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

really? explain. because what i defined was a low production quality game made for the sole purpose to make money from uninformed gamers.

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Because what does that really mean? How do you decide what was a low production quality, and how do you decide if the purpose was solely to make money from uninformed as opposed to informed gamers? A definition isn't good if it doesn't tell you anything and only opens up more debate as to what fits your definition.

the definition is self explanatory. a low production quality game is a game that not only has poor graphics, but also has several very noticeable bugs that would normally be resolved during the debugging/finalisation of the game. most games have bugs in one form or another, but to leave in bugs that are obvious, like clipping issues, poor translations from one language to another, etc. that's just wrong and shows lack of workmanship (production value).

an uninformed gamer is one that doesn't take the time actually learn about the game, to see ahead od time what it's about before deciding whether to buy it or not. once again, it's self explanatory.

That being said... You called Wii Music Shovelware... when it has nothing that you just mentioned... ? So... OK?
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#2 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] Yes, They are... but FF hasn't been preforming as it once did... Each new release gets lower and lower sales... FFXII sold 2 million in japan... maybe FF XIII will change that. Monster Hunter on the other hand is growing... and one sold 3.2 million... in japan.... ActicEdge

I would wager that the games quality has been slipping over the years. 12 was easily the worst Final Fantasy since FF2 imo.

Eh, it has more to do with the fact that FF 12 was the third game of the series on the console. It scored perfect in famits which is far more important in Japan than any western scorer. As for Monster Hunter, it enjoyed most of its growth on the PSP, the wii has yet to prove it can sell MH like the PSP. (MH3 will hit a million in Jpan though no doubt)

The one that was on the Wii was a remake of the original PS2 game... which had already been remade for PSP... So... Who knows...
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#3 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] Actually I think Monster Hunter 3 will be bigger... Final Fantasy is Big... but it's not as big as it once was in Japan... and it's not the biggest RPG in Japan... Ragnarok1051

Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy are the two biggest RPGs in Japan.

I hope Persona can catch up. The Persona series is quickly becoming one of my favorite RPG series.

Yes, They are... but FF hasn't been preforming as it once did... Each new release gets lower and lower sales... FFXII sold 2 million in japan... maybe FF XIII will change that. Monster Hunter on the other hand is growing... and one sold 3.2 million... in japan....
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#4 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

If that's all you meant then yeah, FF 13 is going to be huge and probably the best selling third party game in Japan on a console by a large margin. MH will be second.

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Actually I think Monster Hunter 3 will be bigger... Final Fantasy is Big... but it's not as big as it once was in Japan... and it's not the biggest RPG in Japan...

I think you have it backwards. Correct me if I'm wrong but Monster Hunter doesn't sale as good on consoles as it normally does on handhelds.

It hasn't... but isn't that mostly because the consoles versions so far have been remakes? I don't know much about MH honestly... but I do know that FF is huge but not the most popular thing in Japan anymore. It doesn't sell as good as it once did, and Dragon Quest unseated it awhile ago... I think everyone thinks that because FF is huge in america... it's even bigger in Japan... but it's like MGS... more popular abroad then at home...

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#5 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

really so that fact i defined it twice means i don't know what it is? really? had you read the entire thread, i was the one defining it. but good job at avoiding that.

cowgriller

Sure you defined it twice... but your definition is wrong...

really? explain. because what i defined was a low production quality game made for the sole purpose to make money from uninformed gamers.

Because what does that really mean? How do you decide what was a low production quality, and how do you decide if the purpose was solely to make money from uninformed as opposed to informed gamers? A definition isn't good if it doesn't tell you anything and only opens up more debate as to what fits your definition.
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#6 GundamGuy0
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your kidding right? wii music is shovelware. it was made for a quick buck. it was the lowest point of their e3 2008. it epitomised what the wii was for. low quality nintendo games for the casual.

cowgriller

Please stop. You don't know what shovelware is, and I doubt you ever will, no matter how much it is explained.

really so that fact i defined it twice means i don't know what it is? really? had you read the entire thread, i was the one defining it. but good job at avoiding that.

Sure you defined it twice... but your definition is wrong...
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#7 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So the PS3 and Wii are at about 500k each for the year. Lets say that in theory the wii hits 1 million in sales before FF 13 and the PS3 hits 800k. (I'm being generous, the wii will have a way bigger lead than 200k). Are we too assume that the FF13 is going to push 200k units and the wii will stand still?

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I wasn't arguing that. I was just putting the effect of FF13 in perspective for you.

If that's all you meant then yeah, FF 13 is going to be huge and probably the best selling third party game in Japan on a console by a large margin. MH will be second.

Actually I think Monster Hunter 3 will be bigger... Final Fantasy is Big... but it's not as big as it once was in Japan... and it's not the biggest RPG in Japan...
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#8 GundamGuy0
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No, I don't "know that". Wii Music is a high quality game, but one that simply isn't aimed at us "core" gamers. Other games are aimed at a younger or more "casual" audience, but their developers didn't put any effort into them at all, they just tried to make a quick buck. That's not what Wii Music is. Head_of_games
Seriously Shovelware is one of those terms which is thrown around too much... people really don't know... what it is. Wii Music isn't shovelware...
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#9 GundamGuy0
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Next year there will be 6 Halo games( Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo ODST, Halo Reach). Its not like Nintendo is the only one making sequels. web966
6 games since 2001... vs... 3 since 2001? UM... interesting...
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#10 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Well, mcgreddy is a pretty extreme fanboy, so my theory is probably correct. I mean, he actually thinks "definitive racing game..." is a funny quote.Why is that supposed to be funny? It just sounds like a developer hyping their product to me. For all mcgreddy knows, it might very well be the definitive racing game. We don't know yet as it hasn't shipped.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I agree, he didn't focus on they funny... If you cut this down to two min, made it move faster... and got rid of the stuff that isn't funny at all... then it would be much better.

I'm aware that there's some funny quotes in that conference and I do think editing would make it better, but I don't see a point of one of these videos this year. None of the companies tanked. I'm sure funny quotes can be spliced together, but without the context of a really bad show behind it, it doesn't have much impact.

Maybe... but maybe we don't have to do everything to fight in SW... perhaps just because it's fun, or give you a good chuckle... laughing is good for your health after all.. and being able to see the lighter side of things is something which SW needs more of.