I really don't like how the US health care system works.

There should be free, universal health care for everybody... it works in the majority of other first world industrialised countries.

raynimrod

I agree with you, but many Americans are ardently against helping others, be it through healthcare reform or being witness to a crime and doing nothing. They believe in 'individualism,' which is the belief that self-interest is a virtue. Considering the fact that humans are social animals, and research into the human brain done by prominent psychologists, it has been concluded that individualism is unnatural, unhealthy, and most of all, unnerving. The Libertarians/Republicans who are against all forms of supporting their societies, and therefore their countries, are stuck in the past, and unfortunately contradict themselves to a disturbing degree. They call themselves 'individualists,' but then go online and engage in groupthink on their conservative discussion forums - supporting each others lopsided, deluded thinking. That's collectivism, the opposite of individualism. Conservatives/Libertarians just won't face the facts, and it saddening to see such a large gap between the rich and poor as a result. I just don't want the United States, which had such promise, to turn into a third world country, where the poor live in slums with no government benefit programs to help them through their daily struggle, as the fat cats on Wall Street continue to rake in the cash. :?

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As soon as I get disgusted with Republicans (not just for health care) and start giving the Democrats a new chance, they pull this. Wow. Those geniuses in the Democratic party want to fine those who already can't afford health care. If they go through with this plan, they minus well just hand the majority power back to the Republican party. I seriously doubt most Americans are against a public health plan to compete with private insurance, but eitherthe Republicans are getting in to Democrat's heads, or the Democrats were against the original plan to begin with (I'm starting to think it's the latter). The plan Obama wanted to pass originally was the most tolerable. Fining the people who can't afford health insurance is simply idiotic.

Your thoughts?

psychobrew

it's mostly to target rich folks who forgo health insurance. Remember, if we had universal coverage this would be a nonissue. But how else are we going to raise revenue? This is better than a tax increase...(and you're taking it out of context).

A family of three that makes $60,000 is upper middle, no doubt about it. Remember, this is corresponding to the healthcare legislation that is being proposed. This will only take effect once ALL AMERICANS ARE COVERED. This is supposed to work hand-in-hand with that bill. Just remember that if you read an article, you should relate it to what's going on in politics at the same time.

America is (unfortunately) becoming a nation of people who call themselves either individualists or the religious right (collectivists). Both voting blocks are large supporters of the Republican Party, and are highly infuential in national politics. I don't think that many Libertarians are truly individualists, though. They go on the internet and engage in groupthink, reinforcing each other's lopsided ideas of what is good for the world. They're rapidly becoming collectivists without knowing it, and the Right is just going to keep on gaining prestige with the American people. Things are looking bad right now.

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Democrats control all levels of federal government. Alarmists are no needed on any side of the political spectrum.guynamedbilly

Ummm, the Judicial Branch? The SCOTUS is the most conservative it's ever been. Moreover, the Democratic Party is spit between moderates and conservatives these days. For example, the Blue Dogs are pandering to their conservative base. That's hardly "controlling all levels of federal government," as you so eloquently put it. :roll:

I don't think you realize what you're saying. If simply stating the facts is being 'alarmist,' then paint me an alarmist. Don't you think individualism and collectivism have taken us in a bad path?

I'm sure it'll blow..but then you get discounts don't you?

jJaAmMeEsS2184

No, Walmart gives no incentives whatsoever to their employees.

Also, they really pressure you to leave if you're part of a union. I remember there was some scandal a while back about a manager vandalizing the home of a unionized cashier at Walmart, jusr for being in a union and demanding not to be locked in the store at night (that's what they do for nightshift workers, at least in the South).

does usps do that?

SimplyFatal

why, what are you thinking of doing?

I liked the part where he declared himself a Sony fanboy :lol: lmfao

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Of course taxes are going to be raised, but we are already being taxed, quite heavily because of our health care system as is, but that hidden tax is incredibly inefficient. It's not by accident that wages have been stagnate for the last decade. Universal health care is cheaper than what we have now - show me one developed country that has a more expensive, costly health care system than the U.S. Show me one developed country who's health care costs are rising faster than ours.

-Sun_Tzu-

Simple: I can't. The only countries we could be compared to have a far smaller population than we do, thus ultimately spend far less on health care than we would have to by default. Hell, the nearest comparison, Japan, has less than one-half our population. I highly doubt we'd be able to reach a level of savings that most western European or Pacific rim nations are able to simply because of our larger population. Indeed if the ultimate conclusion should arise, that being everyone on the government system, I could guarantee it.

I agree with your position on health care, but considering the fact that our hc system has been based on treating the symptoms instead of preventative care (unlike Europe) for so long, we have become a nation of overmedicated sick people. When health care does pass, we ARE going to be seeing some long lines, unfortunately. But, after a generation of preventative care, then the waiting lines will evaporate. Considering the fact that the U.S. is jumping on the bandwagon so late, we may have some distribution problems ahead, and the Republicans/Libertarians will be ready to declare the entire universal hc system a failure the moment one person is put on a waiting list.

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valgear

I didn't like Zombi II, but to each his own.

In terms of terrifying zombie films, Evil Dead II and Braindead immediately come to mind. Both are extremely brutal and gory, and are considered classics by the horror community.

As soon as I get disgusted with Republicans (not just for health care) and start giving the Democrats a new chance, they pull this. Wow. Those geniuses in the Democratic party want to fine those who already can't afford health care. If they go through with this plan, they minus well just hand the majority power back to the Republican party. I seriously doubt most Americans are against a public health plan to compete with private insurance, but eitherthe Republicans are getting in to Democrat's heads, or the Democrats were against the original plan to begin with (I'm starting to think it's the latter). The plan Obama wanted to pass originally was the most tolerable. Fining the people who can't afford health insurance is simply idiotic.

Your thoughts?

psychobrew

it's mostly to target rich folks who forgo health insurance. Remember, if we had universal coverage this would be a nonissue. But how else are we going to raise revenue? This is better than a tax increase...(and you're taking it out of context).