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[QUOTE="Nyxathid_Horror"]

You must be a time wizard... Can you also tell us if 2012 is the end of the world? That would greately increase my fun to work ratio...

On a serious note; no... You can't tell the future, and by the looks of the past, Sony has nothing to worry about when it comes to their market shares.

dream431ca

predicting the future of a business based on past accomplishments is horribly erroneous.

So is your logic it seems.

solid post. really broke it down for everyone right there.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Well of course not, but, surprise, companies do...All the time.

Nyxathid_Horror

and they fail! failures happen all the time. the PS3 is one example.

You must be a time wizard... Can you also tell us if 2012 is the end of the world? That would greately increase my fun to work ratio...

On a serious note; no... You can't tell the future, and by the looks of the past, Sony has nothing to worry about when it comes to their market shares.

predicting the future of a business based on past accomplishments is horribly erroneous.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Market share. You should have said the "Market Share" that Sony has lost, not dominance. Your telling me that busniesses have to maintain their "dominance" (market share)? Of course they do. Sony lost a lot of market share, but still, that doesn't mean that Sony out right failed as you put it.

gaming25

i'd say it failed to meet expectations. no company would go into a new generation expecting to lose market share.

i can answer that - the PS2 sold significantly more in its first 3 and a half years than what the PS3 sold in its first 3 and a half years.

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[QUOTE="oajlu"]

wrong...actually it's 360.

No gaming console has so high failure rate like xbox 360...

funny thing is American still buy it...i can understand it. After all, American still buy American automobile. lol

oajlu

lol, nice twist of words there. but no.

Your "no" cant change the fact that 360 has the highest failure rate.

seriously, as long as ps3 users enjoy it, ps3 is not a failure to each individual user. how many consoles ps3 sold is not going to affect ps3 users as much as RROD does. Can you still play games on a RROD 360? a big lol.

that "no" is a message to you that "no, i was not referring to hardware failure-rate, so please stay on topic - thank you"

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Market share. You should have said the "Market Share" that Sony has lost, not dominance. Your telling me that busniesses have to maintain their "dominance" (market share)? Of course they do. Sony lost a lot of market share, but still, that doesn't mean that Sony out right failed as you put it.

dream431ca

i'd say it failed to meet expectations. no company would go into a new generation expecting to lose market share.

Well of course not, but, surprise, companies do...All the time.

and they fail! failures happen all the time. the PS3 is one example.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Irrelevant?? So should we just forget the PS2? Come on dude. Busniess, remember?? :roll:

dream431ca

when talking about the success/failure of the PS3.....uh...yah. stay on topic.

No, we are talking about "Busniess" which is a completely different realm. When you talk about Sony as a Busniess, your talking about Sony as a whole, not just one product. The PS2 is part of Sony, therefore is a valid topic in this discussion. To further my point, the title of this thread does not mention the PS3 at all. Just Sony.

the post you responded to (ie. my post) was referring to the PS3. when i refer to the PS3 as the biggest failure of all time - yes, i am talking about the PS3, not the PS2. lol.

you can credit the PS2 sales this gen to the fantastic job sony did last gen. but the PS3 is a failure, no matter how well the PS2 sells.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

I agree with some of your points, but this isn't "busniess wars". While we are on the topic, Busniesses go up and down all the time. To call a Business a "failure" because it didn't meet what it did before is kinda ignorant. It doesn't make too much sense with me. A failure to me, is when a busniess goes out of busniess. Then I can call it a failure. Also, I don't think real business people will agree with your logic. 33 Million + units sold is a failure? They would laugh at you if you told them that.

dream431ca

thats not how business works. dominant businesses strive to keep their dominance. ask facebook if they'd be happy if another social networking company took even 30% of their userbase.

Market share. You should have said the "Market Share" that Sony has lost, not dominance. Your telling me that busniesses have to maintain their "dominance" (market share)? Of course they do. Sony lost a lot of market share, but still, that doesn't mean that Sony out right failed as you put it.

i'd say it failed to meet expectations. no company would go into a new generation expecting to lose market share.

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] That is ridiculous, especially how you came to that conclusion. When you go about seeing what the PS3 has done in terms of sales, and why it occurred, you have to see how many PS2s were sold after the PS3 came out. Why??? Because that would show that people STILL had the option to get a PS2 instead of a PS3. And then afterward, you see how many gamecubes and original xboxs were sold. Many people who buy for specific brands (which is what people would do especially since there is only 3 main consoles) didnt have to make the switch because the PS2 was still a good option vs having a xbox or a gamecube. And we all know that sales for the xbox and gamecube became almost non existent after the 360/Wii had been out for a year. But more importantly, you then MUST consider that the 360 had a year start. And since you bring the 360 vs PS3 up, you must consider the 360 in whatever equation that you have. And finally to claim a "significant smaller user base" as you put it, you would HAVE to see how many PS2s were sold three and a half years into its generation (where the PS3 is at now), which I know you havent done. So you are overreacting.dream431ca

PS2 is a last generation console that is reaping the benefits form what sony did LAST generation, has nothing to do with this generation or the PS3. irrelevant point. nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever (which, just to remind you, is about the PS3).

even after considering the year head start, the PS3 and 360 are pretty much neck and neck (hence arguably, sony is the loser of this gen), and sony is still trailing nintendo by a rediculous margin. yet another irrelevant point. sony still lost its market share, regardless of that year head start.

Irrelevant?? So should we just forget the PS2? Come on dude. Busniess, remember?? :roll:

when talking about the success/failure of the PS3.....uh...yah. stay on topic.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

It could go either way. Would you say the same thing about Nintendo? SNES sold quite a bit. Virtual Boy, not so much. There is no way from a busniess stand point that the PS3 is the biggest failure in history. The one reason why the PS2 sold a lot is because of little compeition. This gen has way more compeition on both the consoles and the handhelds.

dream431ca

i disagree with that. from a business perspective, a company in a dominant position needs to KEEP its dominant position, or its a failure for them.

imagine if in a couple years, yahoo suddenly become almost as widely used as google. google would still be a very profitable company, but from a business standpoint - that would be a failure on google's part. google can't let that happen. same thing for sony.

in business, you either grow, or die.

sony had the dominance in the market like no other console before (120+ million?). they gave up that lead within a couple years, and are now arguably the losers of this genration. the number of consumers in for their gaming department is shrinking significantly, not growing. thats a failure.

I agree with some of your points, but this isn't "busniess wars". While we are on the topic, Busniesses go up and down all the time. To call a Business a "failure" because it didn't meet what it did before is kinda ignorant. It doesn't make too much sense with me. A failure to me, is when a busniess goes out of busniess. Then I can call it a failure. Also, I don't think real business people will agree with your logic. 33 Million + units sold is a failure? They would laugh at you if you told them that.

thats not how business works. dominant businesses strive to keep their dominance. ask facebook if they'd be happy if another social networking company took even 30% of their userbase.

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] You havent looked at any facts whatsoever. The PS3 is still outselling the 360 in terms of sales once the PS3 entered the market. And 33 million sold in 3 and a half years isnt a "failure" in anyones book, no matter how you try to slice it up or shape it up to be.gaming25

its last in total sales. that means its last place in the market. thats a fact. deal with it.

if you know anything about business, you'd know that the playstation brand going from 1st place to last place, with significantly smaller user base this gen - is a failure of epic proportions.

PS2 is a last generation console that is reaping the benefits form what sony did LAST generation, has nothing to do with this generation or the PS3. irrelevant point. nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever (which, just to remind you, is about the PS3).

even after considering the year head start, the PS3 and 360 are pretty much neck and neck (hence arguably, sony is the loser of this gen), and sony is still trailing nintendo by a rediculous margin. yet another irrelevant point. sony still lost its market share, regardless of that year head start.