Does it make you sad? It does me any time I think about it. I have friends who are athiest and just are not going to change and it makes me sad to think they are going to hell and I never will get to see them again. I also dont really like it when people take pleasure in the hopes that people will go to hell. The thought always makes me a little sad.
BTW this is a follow up to that other thread
Serraph105
What exactly makes you so sure that you won't join 'em?
[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]I haven't seen the movie, but I know I can lick the protagonist!Overrated_Hero
Yes, but why would you want to? Slang for beating someone up. 4. Slang To punish with a beating; thrash. 5. Slang To get the better of; defeat: licked her weight problem.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Being religious doesn't make my morality absolute but the morality within the religion itself is absolute. AKA I can still get something wrong but there is an absolute right or wrong. Your religion's morality is your own then, I assume. That is indeed my intention. Then if a religion's morality is your own and you follow it, why is it not absolute? The religion's moral conduct - as well as your own. My statement on this is not that some religious people might think they are always right , but even if you believe that the morality you follow is absolute, it is still subjected to opinion. Would not everyone understand what is truly moral? Then why is it subjected to opinions? What is the value of an absolute morality if everyone can think for themselves about what is right or wrong or neither? The value of an absolute morality is relative to the person who believes in it, I think.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"] And being religious makes your morality absoulte? Being religious doesn't make my morality absolute but the morality within the religion itself is absolute. AKA I can still get something wrong but there is an absolute right or wrong. Your religion's morality is your own then, I assume.
[QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]No. Aside from the fact that I believe Christianity to be true, I do not see how civilized society will last without any type of religion. Without religion morality has no standard other than preference. Without a basis for morality there is very little stopping people from acting corrupt and going against their preference. Indeed government and society does dictate many morals but without the influence of religion, even the government becomes more corrupt than it would otherwise (just look at many dictators for example). There always needs to be people shouting in the background "that's not a good idea!" Without religion, morality is just an opinion. If you think morality is indeed more than an opinion and claim to be a naturalist, change line your life up with your teachings or change your teachings.mindstorm
I disagree with that. You don't need religion to have morals. lol I agree. I'm just saying your morality without religion is nothing more than an opinion with no foundation. And being religious makes your morality absoulte?
[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"] wouldn't that make them agnostic rather than athiest?jasperrussell
Even religious folk are in doubt sometimes... so not necessarily. But agnosticism isn't a middleground between atheism and theism anyway. Agnostics are atheists. The one true god - wikipedia - thinks differently: "It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism." It is put forth - but it is done so incorrectly. You can either believe or not believe in something. Agnosticism is a state of knowledge; there is no middle ground between believing or not believing.
[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"]soooooo..... back on topic. why should an athiest be scared of hell when they don't believe in it? Is that too simple? Have I completely missed TC's point?jasperrussell
Because they are in doubt? wouldn't that make them agnostic rather than athiest? Even religious folk are in doubt sometimes... so not necessarily. But agnosticism isn't a middle ground between atheism and theism anyway. Agnostics are atheists.
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