I fail to see how religion into politics could help this economic diseaster.. I wasn't aware the Bible was well versed in economic theory and ideas. sSubZerOo

Well the Pope made a brief reference to the U.S. financial crisis during a speech to the historic Synod of Bishops (it's historic because, among other things the chief Rabbi of Haifa will be addressing the Synod, this is the first time a Rabbi has ever addressed a Synod of Catholic Bishops) the Pope said in paraphrase that unlike the great banks the Word of God doesn't fail.

Also the Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said that the collapse of the economy shows a need for an increased role for religion in politics.

At a Rally for Respect Life Sunday, His Eminence Sean Cardinal O'Malley, O.F.M. Cap., the Archbishop of Boston. Made comments saying that out of the whole political election season the real star is Trig Palin, Sarah's son who suffers from downsyndrome. He then says he stood up and applauded when Trig's sister combed his hair back (I actually heard that some liberal commentators actually made sounds of disgust when the sister did that, why I don't know).

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I mean look he started a whole war over slavery. The civil war could've been avoided if he had let it be but no he had to make a big deal over it. (I'm not saying I support slavery).

Here's my point at Lincoln's time Slavery was perfectly LEGAL. And he had no constitutional authority to proclaim the "Emancipation Proclamation". Abraham thought Slavery was immoral (and it most likely is). But that's beyond the point it was legal back then and other people found it perfectly acceptable.

Yet Lincoln had to issue his "emancipation proclamation" and thus force his religious beliefs regarding slavery onto the pluralistic society. What about the owner's right to his property but no Lincoln like a typical Republican had to force his religious beliefs onto the society.

And No I'm not pro-slavery, I'm just pro-choice.

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I'm not sure what verse you are speaking of. You'd at least have to give me a hint of what you are talking about. I study the Bible A LOT and have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose the Israelites were wrong in having a theocracy... (not saying I want America to be one. I'm fine with a democracy).

What if we disagree on what is common sense? I personally think it common sense that homosexuality is wrong...

Just to make this clear, I'm in no way saying Christians should condemn people as Christ said to do just the opposite. "He who is without sin cast the first stone." That doesn't mean we should just let people do whatever they want however. Did Jesus not tell the Samaritan women her sin while at the well? Did Jesus not correct the Pharisees? Did Paul not admonish the guy in Corinth who slept with his aunt?

Jesus still spoke the truth of people's sin when speaking with people. He just did so in a loving way which many supposed Christians have forgotten to do. Your example of witch burnings being one of them. Btw, about 18 people were killed during the Salem witch trials... Not saying that isn't horrible but many take that example out of proportion...

In saying all of this I'm in no way saying those who stand on street corners calling everyone sinners to be justified. I think that's a hateful way to "spread the Gospel." The Gospel is the "good news" of Christ and should be spoken of as such.

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Being a Christian is about leading by example. That is how people will come to follow you not just in this religion but any. But having any Party trying to get elected and try to pass bills that are based on their personal religious beliefs. That is wrong.

And I don't see how any Christian would condone that. People can be Homosexual if they wish. It's their choice. If you wanna ban that or ban them getting married then why stop there? Let's ban porn, let's ban guns...

Hell why aren't christians are more dedicated against smoking huh? It's a multibillion dollar business. People die in HUGE numbers from it and we have ways to light your cig in your car since forever. It kills more people but hey, it's their choice people will say, well so is being homosexual etc... So if people (christians) wanna do that then they better also go after that way more because cigarettes and alcohol aswell have killed and harmed WAY more people then abortion or homosexuality ever has or will

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You're very own Bible tells you not too mindstorm

Where is that might I ask? I thought a person's faith in Christ was supposed to influence every attribute of their life? Am I wrong in saying that?

I see why it's not right to force your own legalistic views onto another person but Christians are also supposed to be the "light of the world" and make a positive difference in the world.

Was it wrong for William Carey to go to India and be the instrument God used to do away with their tradition of killing wives when the husband died? I think it no different for Christians to seek to get rid of abortion, homosexual marriage, euthinasia, etc.

It's in the bible. Go read it I don't know the exact verse etc...

Second, regardless of what you or what the we see as wrong. It's not our place to enforce that unless it's common sense like murder etc... As far as homosexuality... you can hate it but forcing people to follow your belief's makes people hate God and because we represent him in terms of the religion. And again this is why the Bible says not to do this. God gave us free will to choose. It's nothing to do with forcing people to not do this or that. If that was the case then we would just be one big regime.

And I don't have to even mention how many slaughters and genocides in our history came from religion. Even Christians who burned people for thinking they were witches etc..

I'm not sure what verse you are speaking of. You'd at least have to give me a hint of what you are talking about. I study the Bible A LOT and have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose the Israelites were wrong in having a theocracy... (not saying I want America to be one. I'm fine with a democracy).

What if we disagree on what is common sense? I personally think it common sense that homosexuality is wrong...

Just to make this clear, I'm in no way saying Christians should condemn people as Christ said to do just the opposite. "He who is without sin cast the first stone." That doesn't mean we should just let people do whatever they want however. Did Jesus not tell the Samaritan women her sin while at the well? Did Jesus not correct the Pharisees? Did Paul not admonish the guy in Corinth who slept with his aunt?

Jesus still spoke the truth of people's sin when speaking with people. He just did so in a loving way which many supposed Christians have forgotten to do. Your example of witch burnings being one of them. Btw, about 18 people were killed during the Salem witch trials... Not saying that isn't horrible but many take that example out of proportion...

In saying all of this I'm in no way saying those who stand on street corners calling everyone sinners to be justified. I think that's a hateful way to "spread the Gospel." The Gospel is the "good news" of Christ and should be spoken of as such.

For all who don't know a nationwide event, 40 days for life is going on this month and will last until Nov 2, 2 days before the, perhaps overhyped, Presidential elections. Now could this event influence the elections, could it have any consequences or will it just fade away?

What are your thoughts?

I expect it to have some effects, but not on a gigantic scale. But a single grain of rice can tip the scales, eh?

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You're very own Bible tells you not too mindstorm

Where is that might I ask? I thought a person's faith in Christ was supposed to influence every attribute of their life? Am I wrong in saying that?

I see why it's not right to force your own legalistic views onto another person but Christians are also supposed to be the "light of the world" and make a positive difference in the world.

Was it wrong for William Carey to go to India and be the instrument God used to do away with their tradition of killing wives when the husband died? I think it no different for Christians to seek to get rid of abortion, homosexual marriage, euthinasia, etc.