[QUOTE="drangel_jam"]people who think the MP is trash really need to ellaborate.
In my opinion, it's way better than GoW1 due to the fact it's not a shotgun/bullet lag/host advantage fest anymore.
The teams are more balanced because you don't join any room were there can be a group of gamers who have been playing together for nights and days.
And most importantly, the weapons are better balanced (expect for the torque which is really cheap in GoW2--easy to aim, blows you up if it barely hits you cover, and doesn't kill the shooter if you blow up next to him). The smoke frags, are even more usefull, and my baby glock is not cheap either--GoW1 = 3 quick random shots under a 1 sec and then a melee attack would doing.
 GoW2 has more modes, more varied maps, bots, Ranking and Player matches that actually allow you to still get achievement kills, and Horde is awesome.
Why is GoW2 MP trash?
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I think GoW2 is better than MGS4 because it has a better/more refined/more addictive gameplay, and the MP is a blast. MGS4 has a better presentation and story, but I only beat it once, and didn't even feel like playin online.
People that have been playing together CAN be all on one team due to the party system, but with everything else i'd have to agree. Host lag pissed me off in gears 1. And i also like not having to get 100 kills with each gun to get 1000Gs. 
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