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#1 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Person0"] Missing the entire point of the Supreme Court.....GOOD JOB. And then pretend to know anything about the constitution or American govt.Person0
Please point out to where our Constitution applies to you?

We the People of the United States,

It is straight to government.  I don't need the preamble to be. What relation does the third article and the preamble have? The third article exists because we ordained it so. That means the supreme courts rules the other government branches by our law. Mine. Not theirs. Do you get the idea of property? And when something bastardizes your property? You get pissed. The Supreme Court does these with new "interpretations" each month. Law is easy. Follow it to the T.

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#2 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, the reason is because the government cannot endorse a religion, period. Using public funds to pay for religious schools is an endorsement.

worlock77

And in that act ravaging the first because the people who have the vouchers use them to whatever school they wish, freedom. As you put it the government is endorsing freedom with vouchers.

People already have the freedom to enroll their children in whatever school they wish, or even to school them from home.

But they can't do it with government money because government does prohibit the free exercise of religion. Got it. The exact opposite of what the first amendment says.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

This may surprise you, but the consitution has implied powers as the document has different ways of being interpreted.  If it didn't we wouldn't need things like the supreme court in the first place.  

With that being said, education is essential to the welfare of ANY society.  Education is the foundation of any advanced society or country.  There is a directly proporional correlation between one's level of education and standard of living across the globe.  

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If you can interpret the law what good is it calling it law? What is the definition of this "law"? Education is important of course, but it is none of the governments concern. We don't need the Supreme Court to interpret the law for us. It is very plainly written in English. You'd have to be a dolt to believe that we need government to decipher what the thing that created government says. The Supreme Court rules what government can do. It doesn't have open ended ruling, like say a king would have. If the law doesn't say something. It is not law.

Missing the entire point of the Supreme Court.....GOOD JOB. And then pretend to know anything about the constitution or American govt.

Please point out to where our Constitution applies to you?
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No, the reason is because the government cannot endorse a religion, period. Using public funds to pay for religious schools is an endorsement.

worlock77
And in that act ravaging the first because the people who have the vouchers use them to whatever school they wish, freedom. As you put it the government is endorsing freedom with vouchers.
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General welfare. What is welfare? What is biology? Biology is the study of food and sex and sometimes shelter to sustain life. The purpose of welfare is to sustain life. Government education is not needed for food or shelter.

And general means everyone. Yes. Very vague indeed.

HoolaHoopMan

This may surprise you, but the consitution has implied powers as the document has different ways of being interpreted.  If it didn't we wouldn't need things like the supreme court in the first place.  

With that being said, education is essential to the welfare of ANY society.  Education is the foundation of any advanced society or country.  There is a directly proporional correlation between one's level of education and standard of living across the globe.  

If you can interpret the law what good is it calling it law? What is the definition of this "law"? Education is important of course, but it is none of the governments concern. We don't need the Supreme Court to interpret the law for us. It is very plainly written in English. You'd have to be a dolt to believe that we need government to decipher what the thing that created government says. The Supreme Court rules what government can do. It doesn't have open ended ruling, like say a king would have. If the law doesn't say something. It is not law.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Better get yourself a gas mask to make sure those chem trails don't get you then. Might as well cover your walls in lead paint so their HAARP machine can't penetrate your walls as well.

If the government is trying to oppress its people by spreading vaccinations and fluoridated water then they're doing a pretty bad job at the oppression game.  Both of those practices are doing a damn good job at keeping the population alive and healthy.  They are easily two of the most important public health policies of the 20th century, with vaccinations being THE MOST IMPORTANT. 

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No. Plastic is. And I'm certain the government had no involvement except to relate capital progressions. Hailing government is just, dumb.

Well I for one love that the government is oppressing us with policies that cut down on infant mortality, extend life expectancy, and promote public health. Oh the horror!

Hail away. You have many friends here.

The U.S. spends substantially more on health care than other developed countries. As of 2009, health spending in the U.S. was about 90% higher than in many other industrialized countries. The most likely causes are higher prices, more readily accessible technology, and greater obesity. Source: Kaiser Family Foundation, May 2012

In 2005, the United States ranked 30th in infant mortality. Singapore has the lowest rate with 2.1 deaths per 1000 live births, while the United States has a rate of 6.9 deaths per 1000 live births. Infant mortality is considered an important indicator of the health of a nation. Source: CDC, NCHS Data Brief, Number 23, November 2009USHealthCareStats

But capitalism beats out socialism every time.

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#7 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

seriously?

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I know. Hard question right?

Its merely a Red Herring, a means to detract or lead away from the point I was making. This is even ignoring the fact that the government has many powers that aren't explicitly written in the constitution. There's a reason we have implied powers, it doesn't have to be explicitly stated 'The government should run schools'. It could be taken under something as vague as 'general welfare' as you stated.

I was using your words as they mean. Our law is the beginning of our government. Without the core it is nothing. To you, it can create new powers for itself then making it a different type of government altogether. It does, so it is not a republic nor a democracy.  However pointing out anything that is unconstitutional makes me believe that you are a devoted republic defender.  So I'm on the fence.  Do you support your statement that a connected church and state is unconstitutional?

General welfare. What is welfare? What is biology? Biology is the study of food and sex and sometimes shelter to sustain life. The purpose of welfare is to sustain life. Government education is not needed for food or shelter.

And general means everyone. Yes. Very vague indeed.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] You're not a very bright person. HoolaHoopMan
It doesn't take a "scientist" to figure out all government oppresses it's people. For you? Maybe a consensus of them.

Better get yourself a gas mask to make sure those chem trails don't get you then. Might as well cover your walls in lead paint so their HAARP machine can't penetrate your walls as well.

If the government is trying to oppress its people by spreading vaccinations and fluoridated water then they're doing a pretty bad job at the oppression game.  Both of those practices are doing a damn good job at keeping the population alive and healthy.  They are easily two of the most important public health policies of the 20th century, with vaccinations being THE MOST IMPORTANT. 

No. Plastic is. And I'm certain the government had no involvement except to relate capital progressions. Hailing government is just, dumb.
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#9 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] You're not a very bright person.

It doesn't take a "scientist" to figure out all government oppresses it's people. For you? Maybe a consensus of them.

Better get yourself a gas mask to make sure those chem trails don't get you then. Might as well cover your walls in lead paint so their HAARP machine can't penetrate your walls as well.

Thanks, but we need to stay away from your convincing, modern liberal, common defense advice.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] You're not a very bright person. lostrib

It doesn't take a "scientist" to figure out all government oppresses it's people. For you? Maybe a consensus of them.

disregarding something just because it is endorsed by the government, is just as stupid as accepting it just because the government endorses it

Interesting. Prove it.